metadigital Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 ...Not that I'm saying he has long winded replies like Meta does. " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Having problems with reading comprehension, Gabs? At least voluminous reading should help remedy that, so I'm doing you a favour. Of course, it is a little concerning that you are invariably able to sum up all the thought you spend on a subject in under two words ... " OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 LucasArts does seem to have great power to intimidate. Maybe they're all hoping to be taken back in the current round of hiring. Maybe they will be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lucas has sued employees for breaching NDAs in the past. Lucas has also put the clamps down on Obsidian on what they can and can not talk about. Bioware decided after working with Lucas to never deal with existing licenses anymore if that gives you any idea what it is like to work with Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nur Ab Sal Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 I thought that bioware was just too busy with JE to develop TSL. Officially relationship between LA and Bioware was sweet... HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I've never heard Bioware throw Lucas under the bus officially, but I've certainly heard rumors that the reason they passed on both KOTOR:2 and NWN:2 is that they never want to have to work within the constraints of anyone's license again. Hence, Dragon Age and Jade Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Which, really, applies to ANY license, not just the possibly draconian claptraps of Lucasarts. Random minor point thrown in: don't you think a cop-out for the fate of Revan was the only possible solution, in some ways? Whatever developers "made" Revan become, it would certainly anger at least a significant subsection of the fan-base: possibly, a great majority. So if they *had* to cast the game as a direct sequel, then... well. For comparisons, imagine a Torment sequel or a Fallout sequel being a direct sequel, then it dictating who the Nameless One, or the Fallout 2 hero, was. Horrible. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I don't blame MCA and Obsidian for going with a new character. I would have done the same thing. Why write for someone else's character? Why try to tell a story that is largely already told? Bioware had worked with the D&D license several times before with no complaints, but decided to ditch existing licenses after doing KOTOR:2. If rumors are to be believed, LucasArts drove Bioware away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kil Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Which, really, applies to ANY license, not just the possibly draconian claptraps of Lucasarts. Random minor point thrown in: don't you think a cop-out for the fate of Revan was the only possible solution, in some ways? Whatever developers "made" Revan become, it would certainly anger at least a significant subsection of the fan-base: possibly, a great majority. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They "made" Revan become something when they sent him away. Abandoning the republic and all your friends is certainly not something Revan learned from me. I'm sure there are others here whose first reaction to the news was "my Revan would never do that!" So now that a "significant subsection" of the fan-base is peeved, your cop out can be declared an official failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Maybe he wasn't abandoning the Republic. The Ebon Hawk carried the Exile into Peragus, and Revan could have orchestrated much of KOTOR:2 from the shadows. And maybe Revan was protecting the Republic by leaving. Maybe the greater threat would seek him out, and by leaving, the Republic wouldn't get caught in the cross-fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kil Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Maybe he wasn't abandoning the Republic. The Ebon Hawk carried the Exile into Peragus, and Revan could have orchestrated much of KOTOR:2 from the shadows. And maybe Revan was protecting the Republic by leaving. Maybe the greater threat would seek him out, and by leaving, the Republic wouldn't get caught in the cross-fire. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ahhh, now we're delving into the sweet science of "Revanology". Revanology is where we discuss and dissect every line of dialog to divine the true Revan. Those are some interesting conspiricy theories Ender, too bad there's nothing in Kotor 2 to back it up. Shame too, it seems Revanology also suffers when there are no lines to discuss and dissect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nur Ab Sal Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 I pray for quick death of that "revanology" thing, together with Revan himself. HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Skywalker Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 They "made" Revan become something when they sent him away. Abandoning the republic and all your friends is certainly not something Revan learned from me. I'm sure there are others here whose first reaction to the news was "my Revan would never do that!" So now that a "significant subsection" of the fan-base is peeved, your cop out can be declared an official failure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Absolutely right. If all they wanted was a simple cop-out, then they could have just referred to Revan as the unlikely hero (anti-hero) who defeated Darth Malak. Newbies would have had no problem with that and K1 fans could have filled in the blanks. But by having Revan be such a dominate issue in K2 while providing no resolution, it either: 1) demands real resolution in the next installment or 2) was a complete and utter failure at a cop-out. Essentially, K2 falls apart unless K3 offers real resolution to Revan and the True Sith. I don't really think Revan is on the same level as the Nameless One though. Dark Horse is not going to tell the Nameless One's story in comics. Revan, however, WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE a home planet, a fixed gender, alignment, etc because his story WILL BE TOLD in the EU. Killing him off (or finding some other resolution for him) in the games will allow his story to be told in the EU. The sooner we get Revan out of the games and into the EU, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 ...Dark Horse is not going to tell the Nameless One's story in comics. Revan, however, WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE a home planet, a fixed gender, alignment, etc because his story WILL BE TOLD in the EU. ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? Why does Revan have to be the main character of a comic series (which is what you are implying)? Why can't other comics be written that refer back to Revan in a non-specific way? I don't get this burning desire to have Revan as LSM. I just don't understand what drives the minds of these people. Really, I'm trying to understand, what is it that is so important about an "official" gender and alignment? Talk about upping medications to counter-balance irrational urges ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I pray for quick death of that "revanology" thing, together with Revan himself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I don't blame MCA and Obsidian for going with a new character. I would have done the same thing. Why write for someone else's character? Why try to tell a story that is largely already told? Bioware had worked with the D&D license several times before with no complaints, but decided to ditch existing licenses after doing KOTOR:2. If rumors are to be believed, LucasArts drove Bioware away. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kotor one ender Kotor one was the one developed by Bioware. K2 was developed by this company... Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Thank you for stating the pointlessly obvious. In future, however, you may wish to restrict your observations to the blindingly obvious, to save effort. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathScepter Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 To me, to keep the Fans happy, Keep Revan genderless and mysterious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Skywalker Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Why? Why does Revan have to be the main character of a comic series (which is what you are implying)? Why can't other comics be written that refer back to Revan in a non-specific way? I don't get this burning desire to have Revan as LSM. I just don't understand what drives the minds of these people. Really, I'm trying to understand, what is it that is so important about an "official" gender and alignment? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I personally don't care. However, the more "concrete" stuff we get about Revan, the less speculation. The more concrete his identity, the more of an immersive story they can write in K3. Why male? >well, I think it is obvious that Bastila was written as Revan's lover or (wannabe lover). I think more Revan accolytes would appreciate seeing them together than would be offended by a hard-coded identity. I could be wrong but I think Revan and Bastila together would be good for business. Why LS? >generally speaking, SW protagonists are LS. Even Anakin was ultimately LS (redeemed). LFL has already said that Revan is LS continuity-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathScepter Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I do think that less is more concerning Revan and The Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Skywalker Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I do think that less is more concerning Revan and The Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is definitely possible...as long as the antagonist is the True Sith, we really don't need to see Revan or the Exile in K3 as long as they explain what happened to them. Exile is easy. Because of the way he draws his Force powers, he could easily slip back into obscurity. Revan? Having Revan out of the picture (but not dead) would, I think, offend alot of fans. It was, after all, the True Sith who seduced him and used him as a pawn. It is Revan, really, more than anyone else who needs revenge...who needs to defeat the True Sith. I am looking at this not as a Revan fan but as one who wants the story of K3 to be really tight. It is much easier to do that if you have Revan (a hard-coded Revan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I do think that less is more concerning Revan and The Exile. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is definitely possible...as long as the antagonist is the True Sith, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd prefer if they would just cut to the chase and we would see the True True Sith, or the Truist Sith. Then later we could be bombarded by the Super True Sith People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Isn't The Truth Alan Iverson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nur Ab Sal Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 I'd prefer if they would just cut to the chase and we would see the True True Sith, or the Truist Sith. Then later we could be bombarded by the Super True Sith <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Isn't The Truth Alan Iverson? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That'll be Darth Allen Iverson of the Philadelphia Space Sixers People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthbass123 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I dont get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleCookiee Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Might aswell return on topic, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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