Conspiracies: Are they real?

Calax · July 4, 2005

My favourite quote from Unforgiven is when English Bob is ranting about the US President being shot, and how it wouldn't happen if you had a monarch. It goes something like.

"I can assure you that if you did [point a gun at the Queen] the sight of royalty would

cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and

you would stand - how shall I put it? - in awe.

Now a president? I mean, why NOT shoot a president?"

On JFK, I know bullets behave strangely while passing through the different tissues of the human body. But they don't turn right round and come out the same direction they went in. Nor do they wait moments before passing into another individual as can be seen on the footage.

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We addressed that eariler.

alanschu · July 4, 2005

My favourite quote from Unforgiven is when English Bob is ranting about the US President being shot, and how it wouldn't happen if you had a monarch. It goes something like.

"I can assure you that if you did [point a gun at the Queen] the sight of royalty would

cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and

you would stand - how shall I put it? - in awe.

Now a president? I mean, why NOT shoot a president?"

On JFK, I know bullets behave strangely while passing through the different tissues of the human body. But they don't turn right round and come out the same direction they went in. Nor do they wait moments before passing into another individual as can be seen on the footage.

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I'm curious though at what point a bullet must have turned around to hit someone?????

User Name · July 4, 2005

My favourite quote from Unforgiven is when English Bob is ranting about the US President being shot, and how it wouldn't happen if you had a monarch. It goes something like.

"I can assure you that if you did [point a gun at the Queen] the sight of royalty would

cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and

you would stand - how shall I put it? - in awe.

Now a president? I mean, why NOT shoot a president?"

On JFK, I know bullets behave strangely while passing through the different tissues of the human body. But they don't turn right round and come out the same direction they went in. Nor do they wait moments before passing into another individual as can be seen on the footage.

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I'm curious though at what point a bullet must have turned around to hit someone?????

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It was in fact shown that bullets were shot from several different directions, leading to the possibility that there were more people involved that that Oswald guy, which the government tried to convince the public was a 'lone wolf' (acting alone).

alanschu · July 4, 2005

Where was it shown that bullets had to have been shot from several directions?

I'm curious which of the three gunshots required the shot to be from a different direction?

Calax · July 5, 2005

they disprooved the extra shot that everybody thinks appeared. (is that the fourth?) the open mic was in the wrong place.

metadigital · July 5, 2005

Is it more disrespectful then war games on bloody battles in the in U.S./world history?

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Probably because its about a specific person. War games tend to be more about the event rather than about specific individuals.

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I dunno, if I were German, I'd have had just about enough of Nazi bad guys in films and games by now. In fact, I'd probably be so angry that I'd be willing to shed some blood over it ... O-oh, it's the Fourth Reich!

Lucius · July 5, 2005

Is it more disrespectful then war games on bloody battles in the in U.S./world history?

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Probably because its about a specific person. War games tend to be more about the event rather than about specific individuals.

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I dunno, if I were German, I'd have had just about enough of Nazi bad guys in films and games by now. In fact, I'd probably be so angry that I'd be willing to shed some blood over it ... O-oh, it's the Fourth Reich!

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I'm not quite sure if you were being sarcastic or not from that last sentence Meta, but I do agree, sadly I've read that German exchange students are having a hard time with some English youths, seems certain groups of these share a talent for not being able to let go of the past. You heard of this?

Kaftan Barlast · July 5, 2005

I cant imagine anyone would do anything more than make a few jerry-jokes. We had a kraut exchange student at school but we mocked him because he was an a s s not because of his crazy grandpappies.

btw, I got that tank crew jacket today :thumbsup:

I havent had time to sew on the insignia yet, Im thinking about a clever way to hide the swastika on the breast eagle without ruining the authenticity.

Walsingham · July 5, 2005

Er... Kaftan. I don't mean to be rude, which means I will be, but nazi uniforms are bad, m'kay? All that the uniform stands for is brutality, and the destruction of civilised behaviour by force. It is not well-cut, black, with shiny things on it. oh alright it is, but that doesn't make it less repellent. :thumbsup:

And as for bashing Germans, it makes me extremely annoyed to hear about fools attacking people like that. Speaking for myself I know that German troops are working extremely hard in Afghanistan to try and restore some peace and democracy to the poor country. They are doing so with superb professionalism, and no lack of human feeling.

As for holding over issues from the war, that is equally if not more stupid. I know several veterans, many of whom lost every childhood friend they had fighting the Germans. And they don't hold a grudge. If they can forgive, then so can we.

213374U · July 5, 2005

Er... Kaftan. I don't mean to be rude, which means I will be, but nazi uniforms are bad, m'kay? All that the uniform stands for is brutality, and the destruction of civilised behaviour by force. It is not well-cut, black, with shiny things on it. oh alright it is, but that doesn't make it less repellent.

It's still one kickass jacket. Damn shame people can't let go.

Lucius · July 5, 2005

I cant imagine anyone would do anything more than make a few jerry-jokes. We had a kraut exchange student at school but we mocked him because he was an a s s not because of his crazy grandpappies.

I'm talking about assault on the exchange students merely because some English guys heard them speak German, it pisses me off just to think about it. <_<

Anyway, nice uniform. But I'd lose the Death Head insignia and Swastika before putting it on. :thumbsup:

Edit: Oh and Dubya just landed in Copenhagen, he's gonna celebrate his birthday with the Royal Family and Prime Minister tomorrow... And the anarchists are already burning American flags in the capital, I might not like Bush, but such actions are despicable.

metadigital · July 5, 2005

Er... Kaftan. I don't mean to be rude, which means I will be, but nazi uniforms are bad, m'kay? All that the uniform stands for is brutality, and the destruction of civilised behaviour by force. It is not well-cut, black, with shiny things on it. oh alright it is, but that doesn't make it less repellent.

And as for bashing Germans, it makes me extremely annoyed to hear about fools attacking people like that. Speaking for myself I know that German troops are working extremely hard in Afghanistan to try and restore some peace and democracy to the poor country. They are doing so with superb professionalism, and no lack of human feeling.

As for holding over issues from the war, that is equally if not more stupid. I know several veterans, many of whom lost every childhood friend they had fighting the Germans. And they don't hold a grudge. If they can forgive, then so can we.

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Yeah, my father fought all the Axis troops, and he held the Germans in highest esteem. He thought the Italians were cowards and the Japanese inhuman.

Which is funny, because my partner is Italian. :lol: "

He had no love for the Japanese, espeically because of the forced labour camps in Malaysia and also since one of his school friends, who was the school dux and captain of the football and cricket teams (a real universal man) was captured when the plane he was piloting was shot down. The Japanese gave him their ultimate honour: beheading. He used to be moved whenever he spoke of it, even just before his death, recently. :lol:

I like the Jacket. You can argue the politics all you want, but the Germans knew how to make a uniform. :thumbsup:

Darth Flatus · July 5, 2005

About the Exchange student being eaten up by some english guys; there are scumbag elements in every country, i guess the exchange student was in teh wrong place at the wrong time

The tank jacket? I would be highly suspicious of anyone openly wearing a swastika in public, no matter how discreet. As for the jacket itself, if I saw someone wearing it I would think: Hey look! It's someone with a fashion sense completely incongruous to my own! :shifty:

Dark Moth · July 5, 2005

I've heard it was actually illegal to display a Swastika in Europe. Is that true? Or is it just in some countries? But yes, anyone who wears a swastika out in the open...well, you can't help being suspicious of them.

Darth Flatus · July 5, 2005

In Germany I think this is true, in other places I am not so sure.

Kaftan Barlast · July 5, 2005

Er... Kaftan. I don't mean to be rude, which means I will be, but nazi uniforms are bad, m'kay? All that the uniform stands for is brutality, and the destruction of civilised behaviour by force. It is not well-cut, black, with shiny things on it. oh alright it is, but that doesn't make it less repellent.

Well, its not a nazi uniform, it a tank crewmans service uniform of the kind they would actually wear in the tanks. Its not black because they thought it looked cool, it was to hide the oil stains. And it is regular army too, not Waffen-SS. And the skulls have a symbol of the armour korps since WW1, and they look different than the SS Totenkopf but that dioesnt really show in the photo.

I really understand how it'll seem to someone who hasnt watched far to much history night on Discovery and knows Rommels first name. But for me its just military history, much like if Id bought a reproduction Karolin weapons coast from the days old Charlie XII.

And swastikas are illegal to wear in public in Sweden, so Im looking for a way to cover it up that doesnt mean damaging it so it wont be historicly accurate. Maybe putting a "No nazis" pin over it? I really hate neo-nazis btw :angry: Ive been in quite a few confrontations with them and theyre probably the most despicable people you can find short of rapists and child molesters.

Lucius · July 5, 2005

True, I remember seeing the skull in my WW1 book:

"How do you like my hat?" - Field Marshal August von Mackensen

Kaftan Barlast · July 5, 2005

This is a WW1 tank badge, it looks kind of crappy :shifty:

alanschu · July 5, 2005

For the most part from what I've heard and being completely anecdotal, was that the Allies had a large amount of respect for the German War Machine.

I suspect it was a bit more personal for the Soviet, and perhaps the French and the English as well.

The Americans? Well, them and the Germans were just really good at killing each other. :rolleyes:

Calax · July 6, 2005

About the Exchange student being eaten up by some english guys; there are scumbag elements in every country, i guess the exchange student was in teh wrong place at the wrong time

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did you really mean to say eaten?

Yeah americans and germans were really good at killing one another but the russians were better at dying to germans and pounding them into the ground.

Dark_Lord_Revan · July 6, 2005

About another mysterious creature....what do you think of Michael Jackson? Do you think it really exists?

EnderAndrew · July 6, 2005

Michael and Latoya Jackson are the same person.

Walsingham · July 6, 2005

I just remembered the only conspiracy I ever actually believed in, and I'm afraid I take it so seriously I'm not even going to mention it. I can't post you any links, or articles because they are just NOT AVAILABLE. At least one person killed over it. And I shall say no more.

Kaftan: sorry. I really didn't mean to be obnoxious or anything. I know it looks funky, but at the same time I do think we must draw a clear line around any of the paraphernalia of the Nazi war machine. There is far to much closet idolising of organisation likes the waffen SS, who were not nearly so elite as people think, and IMO it is unhealthy.

Thought: why not get your own uniform made? It could be cut perfectly for you, and incorporate all sorts of stuff.

I have to say though I WANT THAT HAT! No more briefing jitters wearing that monstrosity on your noggin.

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My grandfather also spoke about Italians. He said there was nothing cowardly about not wanting to die for Mussolini.

Diogo Ribeiro · July 6, 2005

Michael and Latoya Jackson are the same person.

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And in times of great danger met by comedians looking for a quick scapegoat that will warrant a chuckle, they turn into Tito.

Darth Flatus · July 6, 2005

Oh i was expecting some kind of morphing gif thingy

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