jaguars4ever Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Only reason of why KotOR 2 needs a sequel is that Chris confuses Matrix Revolution with The Empire Strikes Back and failed to make a proper ending to the game. I believe this needs to be repeated: Only reason of why KotOR 2 needs a sequel is that Chris confuses Matrix Revolution with The Empire Strikes Back and failed to make a proper ending to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 The ending is not the ending that was intended. MCA did intend a cliffhanger ending, but it is blatantly obvious that content is misisng from the ending. Put blame where blame is actually due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wastl Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Some of you are really overestimating the influence of internet-message-boards. A huuge majority doesn't even know about the cut material, nor do they care about it. -TSL got excellent reviews and some RPG of the year awards -TSL got pretty much the same user grades as KOTOR Why do people always believe that their opinion is shared by everyone? Just because some people on a message-board didn't like something, doesn't mean that it's the common believe of everyone else, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Some of you are really overestimating the influence of internet-message-boards. A huuge majority doesn't even know about the cut material, nor do they care about it. -TSL got excellent reviews and some RPG of the year awards -TSL got pretty much the same user grades as KOTOR Why do people always believe that their opinion is shared by everyone? Just because some people on a message-board didn't like something, doesn't mean that it's the common believe of everyone else, too <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sage advice. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Some of you are really overestimating the influence of internet-message-boards. A huuge majority doesn't even know about the cut material, nor do they care about it. -TSL got excellent reviews and some RPG of the year awards -TSL got pretty much the same user grades as KOTOR Why do people always believe that their opinion is shared by everyone? Just because some people on a message-board didn't like something, doesn't mean that it's the common belief of everyone else, too <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't agree that acquiescing to a dumbed-down mentality is conducive to the feedback process, nor germane to the development cycle. In other words: People Power! Spread the Word, further than the bad reviews in the gamer magazines and interent sites! Co-opt public buildings and spaces into the master plan! MAKE A DIFFERENCE. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Some of you are really overestimating the influence of internet-message-boards. A huuge majority doesn't even know about the cut material, nor do they care about it. -TSL got excellent reviews and some RPG of the year awards -TSL got pretty much the same user grades as KOTOR Why do people always believe that their opinion is shared by everyone? Just because some people on a message-board didn't like something, doesn't mean that it's the common believe of everyone else, too <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just because it's not a common belief of everyone, doesn't mean that it's not a valid opinion. TSL got some excellent reviews, many good reviews, and some less favourable reviews. And forgive my ignorance, but what exactly do you mean by user grades? It's always hard to assess these things, so the following is my impression only, and fully open to challenge. I think that a majority of players who completed the game were unimpressed by the ending, and that of those, the majority who come across information about the cut ending say that the cut endings would have been preferable to the actual ending. Until or unless a proper survey is conducted and the results released, I can't know for sure, though, and neither can anyone else. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 And besides, I pre-ordered and bought K2 reagardless of the initial (and inaccurate) reviews it received. (Obviously the reviewers hadn't palyed the game to its conclusion.) I won't do that again, and I don't think I'm the only one. PS The magazines have all printed updated reviews talking down their initial high marks. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Most of the reviews I read didn't really represent my impressions of the game. In most every aspect, KOTOR:2 was a huge improvement over the first game save for a few aspects. 1 - Bugs. KOTOR had some serious bugs, but KOTOR:2 clearly had more. 2 - The Ending was incomplete Overall story preference is subjective, but KOTOR:2 had better characters, dialogue and depth overall. Yet most reviews I read said KOTOR:2 wasn't quite as good as the original and failed to improve on the original in any real noticable way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 PS The magazines have all printed updated reviews talking down their initial high marks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Really? Which magazines have done that? "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 TSL got some excellent reviews, many good reviews, and some less favourable reviews. And forgive my ignorance, but what exactly do you mean by user grades? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> User grades are like those reader ratings. From memory KOTOR II scored 85% officially on gamespot and had a 92% user rating last time I looked. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Really? Which magazines have done that? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> None that I know of, it would be as much as saying we didnt do our job right in the first place.Magazines are supposed to make it clear what sort of copy the review is based on. The only time this is common (changing scores) is when an earlier imported copy is reviewed and then a UK release copy reviewed sometime later. Eurogamer commonly does this. reviews are opinion the same as anything else. I wouldnt call them anymore "qualified" than some of the people on here. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Can someone explain the starting message for me? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random evil guy Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 kotor3 will be made sooner or later, because lucasarts likes the moneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 User grades are like those reader ratings. From memory KOTOR II scored 85% officially on gamespot and had a 92% user rating last time I looked. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Difficult to make the case that user grades are a more reliable reflection of opinion than posts on this forum. Neither can make any claim to be representative. Plus, a lot of people who are critical of certain aspects of the game (like the ending) nevertheless liked the rest of the game. I thought the ending was very weak, but I could still rate the game in the high 80s overall. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Can someone explain the starting message for me? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean the quote from the Bioware thread? I might be able to, if you were a bit more specific about what exactly you wanted explained. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Plus, a lot of people who are critical of certain aspects of the game (like the ending) nevertheless liked the rest of the game. I thought the ending was very weak, but I could still rate the game in the high 80s overall. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same here. It would be foolish to try to justify the ending. But it would likewise be foolish to dismiss the whole game because of it. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Can someone explain the starting message for me? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean the quote from the Bioware thread? I might be able to, if you were a bit more specific about what exactly you wanted explained. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, nothing. I got it now. :"> kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anakins revenge Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 i still dont believe it, remember when some **** on biowares forums said there was a sneak peek at k3 if u play the game like 6 times 3 female 3 male then breakdown of the paths u can take and everyone believed him for a little bit? so im not believing k3 till i see evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 i still dont believe it, remember when some **** on biowares forums said there was a sneak peek at k3 if u play the game like 6 times 3 female 3 male then breakdown of the paths u can take and everyone believed him for a little bit? so im not believing k3 till i see evidence <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was an official Bioware post had the tag and was in the developer area. Someone linked it in another thread but you have to be a member to actually use the search function. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meresin Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'll keep an eye out for any rumours. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BicycleOfDeath Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 No more K3 in the K2 forums: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=34861 Stand Your Convictions and You Will Walk Alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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