Revan vs. Exile

[Krookie]

I can't believe some people actually chose Exile saying things like: "he can go up to level 50 and have a prestige class while revan is stuck at 20". hahahaha.

 

I wonder what level Darth Sidious was at lol.

 

Anyway, i voted Revan. Don't really know why, I just like him better.

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(w00t)

[master_pendrak]

Exile would win purely because although Revan is strong, without the force he/she is nothing. The Exile has lived with and without the force and come back stronger each time. Added the fact Exile has force bonds and could in theory just drain Revan of life, of the force by just standing in Revans presence. Who knows what may happen if Exile intentionally used and directed those bonds to drain Revan, he/she may perform a Darth Nihilus type move and kill Revan instantly.

 

Too much credit is given to Revan even though he/she basically led the Republic to victory doesnt make her/him strong and almighty powerful. Exile is the only other apprentice to ever reach the same skill and above as Revan had achieved at the hands of Kreia. Which in my mind makes Exile equal to Revan in most aspects.

 

Their only difference is when Kreia looked at Revan she saw the heart of the force but saw the death of it in the Exile. It wouldn't surprise me in KOTOR3 that Revan is infact the new sith threat and we have a Revan vs Exile duel at the end.

 

honestly id say it would be pretty even but ultimatly i think Exile would win if by just a little.

 

as for people saying the game lets Exile have better stats etc....i can only wonder what made them post that.

[DAWUSS]

I think the Exile would win because the Exile's stronger, as both Revan and the Exile defied the wishes of the Council and went to war against the Sith. Revan went to the land of nowhere, and the Exile returned to the Council to take responsibility for what happened.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, I consider Revan to be another Jedi exile under those circumstances, and because of the Exile's trials since the banishment from the Jedi Order, it almost makes Revan (I know I'm gonna get ripped apart for saying this) a coward as he went off to where no one could find him.

[Dark Moth]

Revan definitely would have won. The only reason the exile is strong is because he/she is a wound in the force. Revan was always powerful. And the exile was nothing without the force, either. He lived, but he couldn't do anything. The only time he made a difference in his life was when he could feel the force. The only reason he defeated Nihilus was because Nihilus couldn't feed off him. Revan was one of the greatest force-users ever. And Revan was powerful without the force, too. Just look at all he had done on Taris before he re-established his powers.

 

Revan>Exile

[Jediphile]

I think the Exile would win because the Exile's stronger, as both Revan and the Exile defied the wishes of the Council and went to war against the Sith. Revan went to the land of nowhere, and the Exile returned to the Council to take responsibility for what happened.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, I consider Revan to be another Jedi exile under those circumstances, and because of the Exile's trials since the banishment from the Jedi Order, it almost makes Revan (I know I'm gonna get ripped apart for saying this) a coward as he went off to where no one could find him.

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Of the two, I actually find Exile to the "coward". Revan didn't return to the council because he was dark side - he really didn't care what they thought of him, and he accepted what he had done on Malachor V.

 

The Exile didn't. He repressed what had happened and cut himself off from the force rather than accept the truth. Note what Kreia says after killing the masters to the LS Exile...

 

Kreia: "The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion.Culminating a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from... save one.And that is what I sought to understand. How one could turn away from such power, give up the Force... and still live. But I see what happened now. It is because you had no choice.It is because you were afraid."

[master_pendrak]

Revan is nothing without the force though, yeah on Taris no force and she/he got by but when you think about it the Exile did the same on Peragus and lived many YEARS before then without the force and survived. Revan lived maybe a few months? possibly a year or two?.

 

There is multiple reasons Exile could have returned to the Jedi to face judgement and most people probably think of cowardness. Which i semi agree with, the Exile killed more people in the Mandalorian Wars in one move than Revan or Malak or anyone combined. He/she killed millions during Malachor V disaster and IMO i think thats what made him/her return to the Jedi.

 

The simple fact that Exile killed so many might have meant he/she had no more desire for war, the call of war stopped and his/her thirst for battle was quenched. The only Jedi to have ignored the call of war of battle and returned to the Jedi. Because his/her thirst for it was quenched in one move unlike the other Jedi who still craved it and fell to the darkside under Revans converting methods. Because they hadn't killed on such a scale as the Exile to be able to quench that thirst that hunger for war.

 

Perhaps the Exile was fearful that if he/she joined Revan then they would cause a repeat of Malachor V or worse. In the end the Exile was afraid of what he/she had done, what he/she might do and cut his/her force connection at the disaster of Malachor.

 

Revan might have accepted what he/she had done on Malachor V but he/she didn't do anything as extreme as what Exile did. Revan never killed millions by her/his own hand at once, there is a difference between wiping out millions at once and over time during a war.

[Dark Moth]

There's another game inconsistancy: K2 acted as if destroying entire plants was a new thing. You saw the Death Star blow up a planet in Episode IV, no wound in the force. Malak we know killed off at least three planets (Telos, Taris, and Dantooine) and we know Taris had more lives than were on Malachor. Still, no wound in the force. And the exile didn't go through all of Peragus without the force. As soon as you get to level 1, you get the force back. And so what if Revan only lived a year or so without the force? He still did it, and proved he could get by without it.

[Jediphile]

There's another game inconsistancy:  K2 acted as if destroying entire plants was a new thing.  You saw the Death Star blow up a planet in Episode IV, no wound in the force. 

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The destruction at Malachor V had nothing to do with the wound in the force. Revan never intended it - he just wanted to either see the jedi converted to blindly following him or else to die (which those who didn't join him did).

 

The wound was created by the Exile, when he wouldn't accept his fate and his fall to the dark side. Revan had nothing to do with that, nor did the actual destruction at Malachor V, though it was incidental to bringing it about insofar as the effect it had on the Exile.

[master_pendrak]

what people fail to remember is the Exile wasn't cut from the force for a year or two, he was cut for nearlly a decade. A decade on his own without the force where as Revan was months possibly a year or two. But then again Revan wasn't Revan when she/he lost the force they were mind raped and given a new identity and skills on how to do things.

 

Like fighting probably considering you wake up on a military warship and have combat gear. Aswell as having Jedi escorting you no doubt from the moment you woke up from your mind transplant to the moment you end the game basically. Exile has had to live decades surviving with his own instincts and experience aswell as the memories of the horrors he wrought at Malachor V.

 

Exile had lost his thirst and call for war because he had killed so many at Malachor V where as Revan hadn't. You could say Exile was not only afraid of what he'd done but also at what would happen if he did fall to the darkside with Revan and join her in the Jedi Civil War.

[kingasdf]

On technical standards the exile is able to become a lot more powerful than revan.

 

On realistic standards I think the exile would win simply because he is a void in the force remember if you are dark side his gift to the galaxy is the death to all that feel the force.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Obi Wan (Exile) will always beat Darth (Revan) unless he intends to lose.

[DeathScepter]

Fair fight: Revan would win against the Exile.

[Hokage Yoda]

I chose Revan, but it's difficult to say for the mere fact that the Exile's stats are more powerful than Revan's. The chance to hit and level of damage are also vastly better than Revan's. However, one must take into account the fact that the Exile could reach levels of 26+ whereas Revan in Kotor 1 was restricted to level 20.

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It matters not because the exile could not beat Revan even if revan had 1 hand

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[DeathScepter]

my Exile(me playing as him) vs my Revan(me playing as him)

 

that is a tough battle

 

 

Equal gameplay: Revan would win.

[Hokage Yoda]

my Exile(me playing as him) vs my Revan(me playing as him)

 

that is a tough battle

 

 

Equal gameplay: Revan would win.

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I agree.

[DeathScepter]

Revan is quite smart. I strive with all of my Kotor characters is a well balanced PC.

 

Regardless if it is Revan or Exile, A well balanced PC is what I love and making them to their maxium potential.

 

 

 

 

Exile is my superman.

 

Revan is my batman.

 

 

Batman can always defeat Superman for Batman knows Superman's weakness.

[jedielfsorcerer]

i say revan. because . . .

[Darth Blivion]

A lot of fan boys. The only reasons I've read for giving Revan the edge was that he is smart (who isn't) and that he's a genius (here say). Give us one vital aspect of Revan that would give him an edge over the Exile who by the way, through Kreia's own admission, is the greatest student she has ever had.

 

And Revan is power but so is every other powerful force senstive. And before we get carried away Revan is not the heart of the force in any literal way. It was a metaphor used by Kreia to describe how highly she thought of him. Knowing how greatly Kreia regarded Revan its a great compliment for the Exile that she considers him her greatest student.

 

Though Revan seems to be popular in this message board I choose to disagree that he's anywhere near as powerful as some people on here make him out to be. I mean what's the greatest feat of strength he's demonstrated? Killing Malak? the Exile's resume based on what we've played in kotor 1 and 2 is better than Revan's. Lastly, to clarify Revan is not the heart of the force it was metaphor used to describe the contrast between the Exile - a void in the force and Revan - a powerful force user.

 

I say, if they fought the Exile beats Revan. As far as we know the Exile knows battle well as some of the Handmaidens point out, and he has withstood far greater threats than Malak. A boxing pundit would definitely give the Exile the edge based on some reasonable deduction, but people here are mostly not addressing the definitives.

 

And leave out these: "Revan was the supreme commander and the Exile was a general" arguments. They are fictional characters in a fictional world. They had to have specific back ground stories to give us an idea of their origins. It doesn't say anything about who is smarter or charismatic or powerful. For all we know being an administrator doesn't make you better than anyone else. It's just back ground fodder, if you were observant you'd understand that.

Edited May 2, 2006 by Darth Blivion

[martyr]

the exile would win cos he hard

[Darth Blivion]

Their resumes based on best victories/scalps.

Revan:-

 

Uthar Wyn - possibly with Yuthura but these are not set in stone, they are variables.

 

Malak

 

Bandon - Revan not neccesarily needed to kill Bandon.

 

The Exile:-

 

Nihilus - without him Nihilus destroys Telos and probably the galaxy

 

Sion

 

Traya

 

Atris

 

The rest of their victories are against un identifiable masses of force users and non force users.

As you no doubt know, the Exile has the more impressive wins and has therby been tested to a greater extent story wise. As you know the greater the conflict a Jedi is exposed to, the stronger they become for fighting through it.

 

So, Revan may have won as per the pole but when does popular opinion (in this case a singe message board thread) ever represent unbiased reasoning, eh?!

[Darth Blivion]

And as far as how important the Exile was.... It's mentioned that if the Exile falls, the galaxy will die a quiet death, one that would herald the coming darkness. I admit that Revan is powerful and cool, in a vader ripoff sought of way, but Kotor 2's Exile is on a higher plain in terms of power. He drains the life out of the Jedi in the ds playthrough and he learns their techniques on the fly. It's no coincedence that the Exile is needed by Revan to stop the unknown threat.

 

EDIT: Revan it seems, has been hyped up more by the fans than by the game because by Kotor 2's end nothing suggests that Revan is stronger than the Exile if anything it's the other way round: kind off like, the little brother catching up to his older brother and surpassing him.

Edited May 2, 2006 by Darth Blivion

[martyr]

revan is over <_< rated

[aerowars617]

I said Exile because of the whole

Breach in the Force thing

. But seriously, I agree with Darth Blivion, Exile defeats 3 powerful Sith Lords, whereas Revan defeats former apprentice, a head master, and your aprentices aprentice!

 

I mean Revan was stronger than all of these people to begin with, so it was only a matter of time for Revan to return to his position of power, whereas Exile was never more powerful than the 3 Sith lords to begin with, so he had to work and earn his victories.

[Xard]

Malak was more powerful than those. Otherwise Sion would've surely challenged him into duel when he still was not living-dead. Kreia was wise, but hardly fighter. Nihilus...Well. He is monster weirdo

 

Malak was strong in the force and skillful with lightsaber. He is just uncool and dumb ^_^ That's why nearly everyone hate him

 

Exile couldn't "eat" Revan unless he would've beaten him to near death, so...

Edited May 2, 2006 by Xard

[DAWUSS]

Exile. Especially when he sees her running around in that dancer outfit