Pulverizer Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 This might be a little premature, but I am getting a bit apprehensive about the potential graphics problems I will have with KoTOR2 on my PC with a Radeon 9600XT card. I had a horrible time with the first game until ATI came out with the 4.11 catalyst drivers. Unfortunately, the subsequent versions (4.12, 5.1) were broken once again. I read an interview with either someone at Obsidian or LucasArts (can't seem to locate that article now) that the developers had suggested changes to ATI during PC development and QA. I hope those changes had been included by ATI by the time of the 4.11 driver release. If those changes were introduced later, then we might have no driver version working correctly upon the PC release of the game. Since KoTOR2 uses pretty much the same graphics engine as the first game, probably with minor tweaks, the issues that cause problems with the latest drivers will likely still be there... Does any one know anything specific mentioned by any of the developers in this regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy24 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 You had problems with a 9600? I was running on a 9200, and it ran pretty darn smooth at 1280*768 and it didn't ever screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Riker Ketra Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 You had problems with a 9600? I was running on a 9200, and it ran pretty darn smooth at 1280*768 and it didn't ever screw up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you can check the game's system requirements on the website. It may help. I suggest u get a nice Nvidia CarD :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulverizer Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 You had problems with a 9600? I was running on a 9200, and it ran pretty darn smooth at 1280*768 and it didn't ever screw up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem wasn't that the card was unable to handle the load -- it ran very smooth *when* it ran. But, there were frequent (and apparently random) crashes to the desktop, especially during load screens. It was an issue acknowledged by both Bioware and ATI. Bioware's KoTOR forums were full of fellow victims, and ATI (finally, in Nov. 2004) fixed the issue in driver release 4.11 (the fix was mentioned in the release notes). However, bugs resurfaced in newer driver versions from ATI. Specifically, there's a tremendous lag in large open environments (e.g., Dune sea on Tatooine or outdoor areas on Dantooine). Apparently, there's some problem with the vertex shader code in the drivers. Several people have reported similar problems when using the latest drivers with even higher end ATI cards, such as the X700 and X800. The card suits me well for most other games, including Half-Life 2, so I am not ready to switch to nVidia... yet. I just wish I was aware of ATI's shoddy work on drivers before investing in this card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strife1013 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Try Omega drivers instead, thats what i use on my Alienware Area 51M and KOTOR runs great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 You could always try the DNA-drivers. They're really good if you play Half-Life 2! http://www.dna-drivers.nl/list.php?c=files Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnifex Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ati si not for games...If you wanna play by Nvidia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedipodo Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ati si not for games...If you wanna play by Nvidia! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fan of s**thouse poetry? "Jedi poodoo!" - some displeased Dug S.L.J. said he has already filmed his death scene and was visibly happy that he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ati si not for games...If you wanna play by Nvidia! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fan of s**thouse poetry? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh not another flame war......guys be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnifex Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ati si not for games...If you wanna play by Nvidia! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fan of s**thouse poetry? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik_bg Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 In general: ATI is better with DirectX, NVidia is better wiht OpenGL. All OpenGL games have more problems with ATI than NVidia. May be it is best to ask Akari or s.o. else which ATI driver versions are nost friendly to KOTOR2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 In general: ATI is better with DirectX, NVidia is better wiht OpenGL. All OpenGL games have more problems with ATI than NVidia. May be it is best to ask Akari or s.o. else which ATI driver versions are nost friendly to KOTOR2. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 It says that Obsidian either fixed the engine or showed ATI on how to fix the ATI Specific Bugs found during Kotor II's development. as it states, the latest drivers are recommended because the ATI drivers for the last 6 months were also used to fix driver issues with Kotor II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulverizer Posted February 4, 2005 Author Share Posted February 4, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For some reason, clicking on that link takes me to the main forum page instead of the page for a particular thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 go here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=26850&st=15 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For some reason, clicking on that link takes me to the main forum page instead of the page for a particular thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wow, it shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSLuke Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 Though it does. And by the light of the moon He prays for their beauty not doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy24 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 I was playing with a 9200, 512 RAM, 2.6 P4 Ghz, and Direct X 9.0c.... Since then, I've upgraded from a 9200 to an All in wonder 9600XT I don't think that I'll have any problems, but now you guys are starting to freak me out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 I was playing with a 9200, 512 RAM, 2.6 P4 Ghz, and Direct X 9.0c.... Since then, I've upgraded from a 9200 to an All in wonder 9600XT I don't think that I'll have any problems, but now you guys are starting to freak me out.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It should run fine, i personally don't have shadows on, it doesn't make it all glamerous....it makes it look worse to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ni Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Sorry to be a little off topic but if you are an nVidia user, the 66.93 drivers give the best performance if you have a FX 59xx or 6800 series Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I managed to get a decent playing experiance out of my GF2MX. Textures are on High but just about everything else is on the lowest possible. Only time I get any lag is when there is smoke/mist/dust. This means that it is impossible to win any swoop races on Tatooine. I get along by killing anyone who even thinks about throwing grenades. Grenades freeze the screen for about 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 If you want to make shure you have drivers that work, use the ones that were new during the bugfix/tweaking phase of the development of K2. That is november-december 2004. KoTOR was compatible with the drivers for its time, the problems started with the newer ATI drivers along with patch 1.03 DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_990 Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 If you want to make shure you have drivers that work, use the ones that were new during the bugfix/tweaking phase of the development of K2. That is november-december 2004. KoTOR was compatible with the drivers for its time, the problems started with the newer ATI drivers along with patch 1.03 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulverizer Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 If you want to make shure you have drivers that work, use the ones that were new during the bugfix/tweaking phase of the development of K2. That is november-december 2004. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm... you are right, the ATI driver release that works best with KoTOR (catalyst 4.11, supports antialiasing as well as soft shadows, no crashes in 2 play-throughs) was released in mid or late November. This gives me hope that the same drivers would see me through KoTOR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashiki Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Using 5.1 Cat's here on a 9600xt(asus), it seem to be very smooth so far. It doesn't have the problems that KoTOR has. I ran into that problem last night on Dantoonie(sp?) I'll update later if I run into any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 why don't you ATI guys try the new ATI 5.2 drivers? http://www.ati.com/home/online/CatalystXPdriver.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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