Epiphany Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I wouldn't even place Palpatine in my top 5. In terms of raw power he doesn't even compare to the like of Revan or Exar Kun. And no self-respecting Dark Lord, I repeat NO SELF-RESPECTING DARK LORD makes gibbering attempts to beg for his life - as Palpatine does with Master Windu in Episode III. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> His whole goal is deception. Make himself appear weak, helpless, or not even a sith lord to everyone around him. His prowess with a saber rivals yoda, and Windu proved no challenge as well. Hell, that's why Anakin finishes him off after palpatine blows him out of the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victus Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 palpy was a sith olord under the Jedi's noses corrupted 2 jedi(three if you count Maul if he was ever a Jedi) right in front of their eyes so in mental abilities and strategy Palpatine was superior. Revan didn't return as a sith lord until he was conquering no subtlety, Revan couldn't stop a few Jedi boarding his ship and Palpy made them nearly extinct least they had both been backstabbed by their former apprentices <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Palpy let the rebel hippies blow up his Death Star twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The way Palpatine died sucked he was picked up by Darth Vader shows he was a sissy. Revan rules! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually Palpatine didnt die... until later... Palpatine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastilla_Skywalker Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I think Revan has done heaps compared to most sith. Press Teh Button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victus Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The way Palpatine died sucked he was picked up by Darth Vader shows he was a sissy. Revan rules! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually Palpatine didnt die... until later... Palpatine <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But that was EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I think Revan has done heaps compared to most sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But compared to Palpatine, he hasn't done "heaps". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The way Palpatine died sucked he was picked up by Darth Vader shows he was a sissy. Revan rules! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually Palpatine didnt die... until later... Palpatine <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But that was EU. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So was KotOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victus Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The way Palpatine died sucked he was picked up by Darth Vader shows he was a sissy. Revan rules! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually Palpatine didnt die... until later... Palpatine <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But that was EU. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So was KotOR. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never doubted that. I separate the movies from the books/games/comics and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorfin Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 palpy was a sith olord under the Jedi's noses corrupted 2 jedi(three if you count Maul if he was ever a Jedi) right in front of their eyes so in mental abilities and strategy Palpatine was superior. Revan didn't return as a sith lord until he was conquering no subtlety, Revan couldn't stop a few Jedi boarding his ship and Palpy made them nearly extinct least they had both been backstabbed by their former apprentices <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You obviously haven't played KotOR2 yet so this is going to be spoiler info, don't read if you don't want to be spoiled: Palpatine corrupted 2 jedi under the noses of the jedi council. Revan instituted a plan so large it saw the corruption or death of thousands of jedi. Revan destroyed the mandalorians at Malachor V by learning to use the darkside power there (which he also used to convert jedi quickly to the darkside). Even after Revan's departure into the unknown regions his plans were so carefully laid and thought out his influence continued as the plans he began nearly saw the end of the jedi order. Where once jedi numbered in the thousands they were nearly wiped out through death or conversion in Revan's time as Dark Lord of the Sith and after (even if you played him as turning back to the light his plans continued nearly saw the end of the jedi order). If you played with him reclaiming the mantle of Dark Lord the sith only began falling apart when it became apparent Revan would not be returning as all had hoped after his final departure. Revan also discovered the star forge and used it to nearly bring an end to the republic, it was only the power of Bastilla's battle meditation which she could use even better than trained jedi masters that allowed them to board his ship and it was only the betrayal from afar of his apprentice that led to his capture. It was Revan who not only had the will to resist Malachor V and become its master, using it to draw the Mandalorian's into a place to be destroyed but also having the ingenuity and forsight to use it as the tool by which he would also rid himself of his least loyal subjects within the republic and jedi order in the same killing blow. It was revan who sent the spirit of dark lord ajunta paul into the abyss to claim his sword. It was Revan who not only became Dark Lord having studied the same teachings as those of previous Dark Lords but also reclaimed it after having lost it to betrayal. Not an exhaustive list but it is sufficient to show Revan was atleast as great as Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Prodigal_Knight Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I didnt read what you said. Cant you do a spoiler tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorfin Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I didnt read what you said. Cant you do a spoiler tag? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't remember how and didn't have time to look switching between machines at work and not wanting to lose all that I typed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordNihilis Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 palpy was a sith olord under the Jedi's noses corrupted 2 jedi(three if you count Maul if he was ever a Jedi) right in front of their eyes so in mental abilities and strategy Palpatine was superior. Revan didn't return as a sith lord until he was conquering no subtlety, Revan couldn't stop a few Jedi boarding his ship and Palpy made them nearly extinct least they had both been backstabbed by their former apprentices <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Palpatine made the Jedi nearly extinct? Dude, there was about six Jedi left when Revan was done with the Civil war. There was plenty of Jedi around when Ugly Palpy got thrown off a cliff. "There is no running or hiding, Jedi. Your times up." -Boba Fett- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad'en Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 There was actually no Jedi left other than Luke, there was only Force Sensitives. People like Dev Sibwarra were Jedi potential but due to the purging, there was noone to teach him. Overall Palpatine destroyed the Jedi order. It was recreated by Luke Skywalker under the title, New Jedi Order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphany Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Palpatine made the Jedi nearly extinct? Dude, there was about six Jedi left when Revan was done with the Civil war. There was plenty of Jedi around when Ugly Palpy got thrown off a cliff. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There was 1.5 Luke and a dieing Vader Palpatine demolished the order with the help of Anakin, that's why Yoda retreated to Deghoba (spelling is wrong i'm sure). He knew they were pooch screwed, (insert assumption part) so he fled to preserve one master from being slaughtered in the hopes that he could teach one more person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad'en Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 He never become higher than the rank of padawan ergo he wasn't ever a Jedi. He went from Padawan to Dark Apprentice. and you cannot just jump from Sith Lord to Jedi just like that, even if he did cleanse his soul. (p.s *Dagobah ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordNihilis Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Revan never died, because he wasn't stupid, he kept his power in line, instead of letting it rage out of control. "There is no running or hiding, Jedi. Your times up." -Boba Fett- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphany Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Revan never died, because he wasn't stupid, he kept his power in line, instead of letting it rage out of control. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You act as though 1 video game spans decades and decades of his life as a sith... He had control for a few years then left. WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordNihilis Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Revan never died, because he wasn't stupid, he kept his power in line, instead of letting it rage out of control. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You act as though 1 video game spans decades and decades of his life as a sith... He had control for a few years then left. WOW. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He didn't thrown off no cliff. "There is no running or hiding, Jedi. Your times up." -Boba Fett- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphany Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 He didn't rule the republic, nor was he responsible for the death of every jedi except one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordNihilis Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 He didn't rule the republic, nor was he responsible for the death of every jedi except one either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude he crippled the Republic, and he screwed the jedi over. "There is no running or hiding, Jedi. Your times up." -Boba Fett- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Revan was level 20. Palpatine was level 19. Case close and go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokishi Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Revan also had force storm while Palpatine still had force lightning. Current 3DMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethCarrots Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 well i for one dont think revans force storm and advanced throw lightsaber were much on palpatines jaundiced glare and tingling fingers. plus look at the calibre of the apprentices, ses it all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 revan could only cast force storm....palpy could cast lightning and storm if he wanted to cos he rules all and he is level 1000.....palpy fooled an entire room of jedi masters and revan couldnt survive a few blasts from malaks ship whilst palpy defeated yoda, windu, and luke..the list probably goes on but i cba looking. (btw revan didnt die via falling off a cliff cos thats impossible in kotor =) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 btw does palpy change his face or does he grow old? cos i liked him better with his human face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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