Product of the Cosmos Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Just started messin around in 3d max, an animation program.... ridiculously hard. Tedious work. lol.. Took me hours to make a simple yin yang. Amazes me what some people pull off. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Don't get me wrong, I still think you're a misguided conspiracy theorist... and a doofus... but do you have a link to any of your artwork? B) Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Product of the Cosmos Posted August 6, 2004 Author Share Posted August 6, 2004 Im just starting the actual getting it to move process I'll link it when I'm done as well. Thats what I have so far^^^ Hours of work to create from scratch.. Also learning this program tho... Theres like a million different things in this prog. lol. I did the same with photoshop a while ago, just picked it up and mess around... Made this stuff: photoshop is a walk in the park compared to 3d max... These took minutes, 3d max yin yang took hours. lol. And Im not even done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondo2000 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Yeah, it's amazing how many hours are put into the development of games. The simplest of things can take hours to create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Even the most simple games are usually 10 times more complex than the average player would actually realise. That's why i try to see the good in even really BAD games. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Even the most simple games are usually 10 times more complex than the average player would actually realise. That's why i try to see the good in even really BAD games. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> By contrast, I remain willfully ignorant so I can point and laugh. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Even the most simple games are usually 10 times more complex than the average player would actually realise. That's why i try to see the good in even really BAD games. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> By contrast, I remain willfully ignorant so I can point and laugh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesn't surprise me... I've been making and attempting to make small games since I was about 7 years old. I've never really had the chance to remain ignorant. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phosphor Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 It does really surprise me what developers are able to do, and what they have to do, to make games. There's a lot of tired, tedious, redundant work involved, and it's definately not all fun and games. Of course, programmers are a strange bunch and find fun in things that would send me to an asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editedmind Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Yes, even to create something as simple as a calculation program takes a mass of code that could take up many hours of developing, depending on how far you go into fleshing out the program. So when someone actually makes a game, you can expect that they are usually typing out pages of code just for the most basic functions. When I was younger I once made a simple space shooter that took around 30 pages of code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Yes, even to create something as simple as a calculation program takes a mass of code that could take up many hours of developing, depending on how far you go into fleshing out the program. So when someone actually makes a game, you can expect that they are usually typing out pages of code just for the most basic functions. When I was younger I once made a simple space shooter that took around 30 pages of code. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh I wrote a calculator from scratch in ASM in around 2 hours. It was my first ASM program. Depends on how well you plan it. That was my first shot, I could do it in about 20mins now, if that. It always depends upon what you're writing a simple space shooter can be done in a language such as BASIC very quickly, where in ASM it's gunna take you a long time. The main thing I've learnt about Programming is that it's all about planning. Plan badly and it's gunna take longer than it should. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editedmind Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Well yes, you can write a decent calculation program with Assembly in no time. But I wouldn't suggest that if you want to run the program on various machines. And when I talk about space shooters I don't mean space invaders. Which has a rather simple set of functions and so forth. I was refering to something with more complex workings such as astroids orbiting along randomly generated paths and enemy ships controlled by a rough yet effective AI. Planning indeed effects every project you start. But not every outcome can be planned. And many times you need to write lengthy workarounds to bypass nasty bugs you were unable to forsee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Well yes, you can write a decent calculation program with Assembly in no time. But I wouldn't suggest that if you want to run the program on various machines. And when I talk about space shooters I don't mean space invaders. Which has a rather simple set of functions and so forth. I was refering to something with more complex workings such as astroids orbiting along randomly generated paths and enemy ships controlled by a rough yet effective AI. Planning indeed effects every project you start. But not every outcome can be planned. And many times you need to write lengthy workarounds to bypass nasty bugs you were unable to forsee. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well my little program worked well on alot of systems. As for the game well that makes sense now, and what you're getting at is much clearer than before. You spoke of a simple space shooter, and I assumed you meant the likes of space invaders. Asteroids is a whole other kettle of fish, I fancy making a decent paratrooper clone. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 The most impressive piece of game code I've ever seen was back in the early eighties, when magazines like Your Computer would have program listings for the readers to type in on their home computers. This particular one was a chess game that would run on an un-expanded ZX-81, that is 1024 bytes. No gfx, just simple coordinates in- and outout. You needed an expansion to actually enter the program, but once the typing was done, it would run on 1 kilobyte Sometimes you wonder how people come up with ideas like that... “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 The most impressive piece of game code I've ever seen was back in the early eighties, when magazines like Your Computer would have program listings for the readers to type in on their home computers. This particular one was a chess game that would run on an un-expanded ZX-81, that is 1024 bytes. No gfx, just simple coordinates in- and outout. You needed an expansion to actually enter the program, but once the typing was done, it would run on 1 kilobyte Sometimes you wonder how people come up with ideas like that... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Heh the 1 kilobyte challenge. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 They once had a contest in a swedish computer magazine in the eighties (Datormagazinet) where you were supposed to write the game Centipede/Snake (a small, constantly moving worm that eats apples and becomes longer and longer for every fruit he eats, and the game ends if he hits a wall or his own body) for the Commodore 64. The shortest entry would be the winner. The guy who won the contest wrote that game in like 3-5 lines of Basic code! I wish I could find that piece of code because it's still the most impressive piece of programming I've ever seen. You just typed it in (took perhaps 2 minutes) and you had a fully functioning game, with a score and everything. Amazing. Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nartwak Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 They once had a contest in a swedish computer magazine in the eighties (Datormagazinet) where you were supposed to write the game Centipede/Snake (a small, constantly moving worm that eats apples and becomes longer and longer for every fruit he eats, and the game ends if he hits a wall or his own body) for the Commodore 64. The shortest entry would be the winner. The guy who won the contest wrote that game in like 3-5 lines of Basic code! I wish I could find that piece of code because it's still the most impressive piece of programming I've ever seen. You just typed it in (took perhaps 2 minutes) and you had a fully functioning game, with a score and everything. Amazing. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editedmind Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Wasn't there a challenge to create a webpage with a limit of 5kb or something? This one guy created a japascript of around 5 levels of wolfenstein. There was no color and the graphics were sketchy. But it was 100% javascript and fully 3d. Quite impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Some guys made a 3D FPS crammed into like 98KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Some guys made a 3D FPS crammed into like 98KB <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, and you can find it here : http://www.theprodukkt.com/ Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guaigean Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Makes ya wonder why some companies have a hard time releasing a decent FPS in 2 full CD's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogonip Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Just started messin around in 3d max, an animation program.... ridiculously hard. Tedious work. lol.. Took me hours to make a simple yin yang. Amazes me what some people pull off. lol. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You think Max is hard try learning Lightwave ....it was designed by an alien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Just started messin around in 3d max, an animation program.... ridiculously hard. Tedious work. lol.. Took me hours to make a simple yin yang. Amazes me what some people pull off. lol. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You think Max is hard try learning Lightwave ....it was designed by an alien <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hehe, I've never used it but I'd be correct in saying Lightwaves been around for years upon years... Right? More than 10 years I should think, from what I recall. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Makes ya wonder why some companies have a hard time releasing a decent FPS in 2 full CD's... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To be fair, the textures were simple, the AI was simple, and the effects of the game were not exceptional. If you look at the game for just the game......then it's quite poor. But the view of the game is much more impressive when you realize it's only 98k big. A retail game has much more scripting, graphics, and sheer scope (among other things) that are gonna greatly increase the size. Although I'm sure there some inherent "waste" when being made by a large team of developers like a retail product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitch Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Maya is fairly complicated as well. There are about 10 ways to do the same thing, so it's hard for someone to try and explain how to do something, when you could sit back, look at it a bit, and say "Well, how come you don't just do it this way instead?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Maya is fairly complicated as well. There are about 10 ways to do the same thing, so it's hard for someone to try and explain how to do something, when you could sit back, look at it a bit, and say "Well, how come you don't just do it this way instead?" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That must have something to do with making the tool more accessable to minds that work differently, different logical flows. "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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