Handmaiden/Disciple

[rika]

Hm, I'd really like to know what the starting classes of the Handamaiden, Visas Marr and the Disciple are. I mean, they can't be Jedi until the PC picks them and starts to train them, can they? And they can't just be far behind the other party members in levels either - that would make them useless. So, they got to change classes, like the PC in KOTOR1. But their appearance doesn't lend itself to any particular classes, unless there would be a boatload of new ones in this game. And since you can get the Disciple together with either of the females, I presume that only one of them would become Jedi (the one cross-gender to PC?), while the other would continue in the original class.

 

It is also interesting whether we can choose what Jedi class they get. It would be nice.

 

And finally there are 2 slots left mysteriously open, one a wookie. Are those our KOTOR1 cameos? They can't be so cruel as to give us Zaalbar, can they?!

 

I certainly hope that none of them is a Jedi, in any case. KOTOR1 had an overabundance of NPC Jedis to the extent that there was little new to discover by giving the PC  different Jedi classes. If Kreia, the PC and our apprentice were the only Jedi in the party this time around, it would be much better, IMHO. Not to mention, much more fitting the new "Jedi scarcity" theme.

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With the Jedi hiding from the Sith's wrath, there should be a scarcity of the game. But I would like to discover non-party NPCs who will teach our PCs some important force powers or skills.

 

Perhaps cameos from Kotor 1 characters could be non-party NPCs. For example, we discover Jolee hiding somewhere and he teaches you to do a powerful rare force power but he doesn't join your party.

 

Visas Marr looks like an assassin. So perhaps she starts off the game as an assassin (perhaps her target is the Queen?) and you could have her join you, train her in the Force, and she becomes a Sith Assassin. But perhaps if you're lightside, you kill her in her assassination attempt, and you get the handmaiden instead.

[maia]

Perhaps cameos from Kotor 1 characters could be non-party NPCs. For example, we discover Jolee hiding somewhere and he teaches you to do a powerful rare force power but he doesn't join your party.

 

Visas Marr looks like an assassin. So perhaps she starts off the game as an assassin (perhaps her target is the Queen?) and you could have her join you, train her in the Force, and she becomes a Sith Assassin. But perhaps if you're lightside, you kill her in her assassination attempt, and you get the handmaiden instead.

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I don't know about that. What would you do if you choose a dark ending for KOTOR1? No Jolee then... They have promised us some old NPCs in the party and the little tin can can't be all there is. Also, why be so secretive about the last 2 party NPCs if they aren't connected to the first game?

 

I also hope that the PC would be the only one in the party to get Jedi prestige classes. It would greatly improve repliability. The apprentice should only get the basic Jedi class. And is there such non- Force class as "assassin" in the Star Wars RPG system? What classes are there beyond the basic Soldier, Scout, Scoundrel and now Tech Specialist?

[Baneblade]

And is there such non- Force class as "assassin" in the Star Wars RPG system? What classes are there beyond the basic Soldier, Scout, Scoundrel and now Tech Specialist?

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No, in the first (not the revised) rulebook there are also->

 

Noble-> Master of bargaining and negotiation who ispires confidence and makes a great leader (Leia was Noble/solder).

 

Force Adept-> Force-user trained in different tradition than jedi or sith or wild talent who has learned to use the force without formal training.(no reference in OT).

 

Tech Specialist isn't from original d20 rulebook.

 

In the revised core rulebook there are others, but I don't own it.

[sickboycp]

Apparently Tech Specialist is from the revised d20, as well as Bounty Hunter (Mira's class) Other than the prestige classes I don't think Obsidian really monkeyed with the base classes to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

"Now all we need is someone with a copy of D20 to post the stats. "

 

Tech specialist.

Base attack as sentinel

Saves: weak Fortitude, midium Reflex and will.

Special Skills: related with his especiality. (I'm traslating so if it isn't the correct name don't flame)

Skill focus (+3 to one skill)

Investigation (sup up his/her level to knowledge if it's about his/hes speciality)

Instant domain (4 ranks in a intelligent based skill, not force skills)

Tech speciality (you could make masterwork objects. Masterwork objects usually add some bonus to the related skill)

Expert (+2 to one skill)

 

The tech specialist gain some of this traits more than once.

 

Hope you understand my english.  :">

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[Archmonarch]

Actually, bounty hunter is a prestige class in d20. So Im not sure whether Mira will start out in that class. Its possible she'll start as a scout (as indicated) and then switch over later when she levels up.

[thepixiesrock]

I find it hard to tell you

I find it hard to take

When people run in circles

Its a very very

Mad world...

[starwarskid15_19]

Hm, I'd really like to know what the starting classes of the Handamaiden, Visas Marr and the Disciple are. I mean, they can't be Jedi until the PC picks them and starts to train them, can they? And they can't just be far behind the other party members in levels either - that would make them useless. So, they got to change classes, like the PC in KOTOR1. But their appearance doesn't lend itself to any particular classes, unless there would be a boatload of new ones in this game. And since you can get the Disciple together with either of the females, I presume that only one of them would become Jedi (the one cross-gender to PC?), while the other would continue in the original class.

 

It is also interesting whether we can choose what Jedi class they get. It would be nice.

 

And finally there are 2 slots left mysteriously open, one a wookie. Are those our KOTOR1 cameos? They can't be so cruel as to give us Zaalbar, can they?!

 

I certainly hope that none of them is a Jedi, in any case. KOTOR1 had an overabundance of NPC Jedis to the extent that there was little new to discover by giving the PC  different Jedi classes. If Kreia, the PC and our apprentice were the only Jedi in the party this time around, it would be much better, IMHO. Not to mention, much more fitting the new "Jedi scarcity" theme.

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what if the wookie was chundaar or freeyr? theyre still npcs from kotor they just arent party members. freeyr ls and chuundar ds

[Stargate: 2000]

Hm, I'd really like to know what the starting classes of the Handamaiden, Visas Marr and the Disciple are. I mean, they can't be Jedi until the PC picks them and starts to train them, can they? And they can't just be far behind the other party members in levels either - that would make them useless. So, they got to change classes, like the PC in KOTOR1. But their appearance doesn't lend itself to any particular classes, unless there would be a boatload of new ones in this game. And since you can get the Disciple together with either of the females, I presume that only one of them would become Jedi (the one cross-gender to PC?), while the other would continue in the original class.

 

It is also interesting whether we can choose what Jedi class they get. It would be nice.

 

And finally there are 2 slots left mysteriously open, one a wookie. Are those our KOTOR1 cameos? They can't be so cruel as to give us Zaalbar, can they?!

 

I certainly hope that none of them is a Jedi, in any case. KOTOR1 had an overabundance of NPC Jedis to the extent that there was little new to discover by giving the PC  different Jedi classes. If Kreia, the PC and our apprentice were the only Jedi in the party this time around, it would be much better, IMHO. Not to mention, much more fitting the new "Jedi scarcity" theme.

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what if the wookie was chundaar or freeyr? theyre still npcs from kotor they just arent party members. freeyr ls and chuundar ds

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except in my case (even in the DS playthroughs) I killed chuundar, I just couldn't stand him. I doubt that we will see jolee if you pick revan went DS since at the very least jolee and juhani would be dead. Though I think I will primarally (sp?) choose revan LS since I think it will give me the most choices for K1 cameos. Also I think that Kreia will give herself to protect the PC early in the game more than likely within the first few hours of the game, meaning we will need atleast one more jedi. Also has anyone said wether or not we can only have one apprentice? in this time period it wasn't uncommon for sith to have more than one apprentice, so it makes me wonder if say when the PC is DS if both the disciple and Marr will be apprentices.

[Archmonarch]

Im beginning to wonder if Marr will be an apprentice at all and not just another party member.

[SilverSun]

Also I think that Kreia will give herself to protect the PC early in the game more than likely within the first few hours of the game, meaning we will need atleast one more jedi.

 

Kind of thought the same thing because of a few different comments said about the game and/or Kreia. I was thinking it would happen on the second planet somwhere near the end. Just a Guess on my part but I think the second planet will be Dantooine again because of the need to reconect with the Force,which is what Kreia is trying to help the PC do. I noticed this on her Bio on the Official site which could be me reading more into then I should but you never know.

 

...in fact, quite willing to sacrifice herself if it means the player will survive and reconnect with his teachings...

 

Also says:

 

...Throughout the game, Kreia will teach the player new ways to listen to the Force, permitting him to gain new powers and abilities.

 

Force Ghost? May be reading too much into it again but figured I'd throw it out there.

[Stargate: 2000]

Also I think that Kreia will give herself to protect the PC early in the game more than likely within the first few hours of the game, meaning we will need atleast one more jedi.

 

Kind of thought the same thing because of a few different comments said about the game and/or Kreia. I was thinking it would happen on the second planet somwhere near the end. Just a Guess on my part but I think the second planet will be Dantooine again because of the need to reconect with the Force,which is what Kreia is trying to help the PC do.  I noticed this on her Bio on the Official site which could be me reading more into then I should but you never know.

 

...in fact, quite willing to sacrifice herself if it means the player will survive and reconnect with his teachings...

 

Also says:

 

...Throughout the game, Kreia will teach the player new ways to listen to the Force, permitting him to gain new powers and abilities.

 

Force Ghost? May be reading too much into it again but figured I'd throw it out there.

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Sounds quite possible. I wonder who will kill her (saying she dies) my money would be on Sion or maybe the PC saying you go DS that early.

[SilverSun]

I think something like that would depend,as you said,on if there was an early LS or DS choice made. Might just be how they set up your character looking for and/or taking an apprentice. She'll give some speech about passing on what you've learned and making up for your past. You could then go with it or laugh and pass on what you've learned so you can take over the universe if that's your thing.

[Stargate: 2000]

I think something like that would depend,as you said,on if there was an early LS or DS choice made. Might just be how they set up your character looking for and/or taking an apprentice. She'll give some speech about passing on what you've learned and making up for your past. You could then go with it or laugh and pass on what you've learned so you can take over the universe if that's your thing.

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Though a little off topic I was wondering if how you answer the first volly of questions about revan dictates how you start in the game, i.e. if you say revan went LS then you start off a little more LS than neutral, and if you say DS then you start a little more DS than neutral. The reason why I bring it up is because maybe when you answer the questions during the character creation it will dictate who you will have for you apprentice and which you meet between Marr and handmaiden. Just a thought, Also it could sorta limit the type of answers you might give for the first few levels in the game until you ofcourse settle on one alignment over the other.

[SilverSun]

Another interesting question.

 

Maybe there's a couple of big choices early on that'll swing your charatcer into the Light or Dark from an early stage in the game.

 

If you start off dark,have a DS apprentice,then start going light what happens to your apprentice? Do the go with you? Or do they see you as weak and try and kill you?

 

And if start off light,have a LS apprentice,then start going dark what would your apprentice do? Would they try and turn you and then eventually fight/try and kill you? Or go dark as well?

 

 

Too many questions.

[Stargate: 2000]

Another interesting question.

 

Maybe there's a couple of big choices early on that'll swing your charatcer into the Light or Dark from an early stage in the game.

 

If you start off dark,have a DS apprentice,then start going light what happens to your apprentice? Do the go with you? Or do they see you as weak and try and kill you?

 

And if start off light,have a LS apprentice,then start going dark what would your apprentice do? Would they try and turn you and then eventually fight/try and kill you? Or go dark as well?

 

 

Too many questions.

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Both very good questions, and both would certainly add a new depth to the game that seemed to be lacking in KOTOR. I have a feeling though that depending on how soon or late in the game will dictate wether or not your apprentice will follow the PC. Another thing I was wondering was, saying there is more than one possible apprentice would it be possible that the apprentice could change sides without the PCs help?

[SilverSun]

Even with one apprentice that might be possible depending on your Char and how you treated the character. Maybe if your LS but your hard on your apprentice then they'll get fed up and fall the DS.

 

If you're dark maybe they'll start to feel what you're doing is wrong and turn from the path before they've fallen all the way.

[maia]

Even with one apprentice that might be possible depending on your Char and how you treated the character. Maybe if your LS but your hard on your apprentice then they'll get fed up and fall the DS.

 

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IIRC, it has been mentioned that some characters alignment would change along with the PC's, but some are of fixed alignment and will challenge you or leave the party if you go too far in the other direction. I presume, that both women are fixed and the Disciple will "swing".

 

I also think that Kreia's demise, aquisition of the prestige class and taking on of an apprentice, would happen in this order and pretty closely time-wise.

 

Another thought, BTW - what if you have become a Sith Marauder, say, and then suddenly go lightsider? Do you automatically become the Jedi equivalent? And can you change between the 2 as many times as you wish? Hm...

[SilverSun]

IIRC, it has been mentioned that some characters alignment would change along with the PC's, but some are of fixed alignment and will challenge you or leave the party if you go too far in the other direction. I presume, that both women are fixed and the Disciple will "swing".

 

I know that some will swing but if you are DS,they're taught that the strong are meant to rule. So if you start of dark,then start going light that could be seen as weakness. So would the character swing in that case? Might all depend on your characters Char.

 

I also think that Kreia's demise, aquisition of the prestige class and taking on of an apprentice, would happen in this order and pretty closely time-wise.

 

Maybe,maybe not. I don't see why you'd need a prestige class to take an apprentice,could happen though.

 

Another thought, BTW - what if you have become a Sith Marauder, say, and then suddenly go lightsider? Do you automatically become the Jedi equivalent? And can you change between the 2 as many times as you wish? Hm...

 

Been speculated that once you pick/get your prestige class you can't go back the other way.

[Stargate: 2000]

Since we don't know which characters will change alignments with the PC, I don't think its out the realm of possibility that the apprentice wont follow the PC. I guess it would all depend on when and (possibly) where the PC changed, because if the PC fell in the begining of the game then I would think the apprentice would follow the PC. But if the PC doesn't fall till later in the game then its entirely possible that the apprentice might reject the PC and maybe even battle the PC.

 

As to when Kreia will die, I have to agree with silversun on this. I mean its not impossible that kriea could die and then we could go another few hours before we get either the apprentice or the prestige class (I would think that the prestige class would come after the apprentice mainly because its suppost to be fairly hard to obtain).

[SilverSun]

Since we don't know which characters will change alignments with the PC, I don't think its out the realm of possibility that the apprentice wont follow the PC. I guess it would all depend on when and (possibly) where the PC changed, because if the PC fell in the begining of the game then I would think the apprentice would follow the PC. But if the PC doesn't fall till later in the game then its entirely possible that the apprentice might reject the PC and maybe even battle the PC.

 

Good Point.

 

As to when Kreia will die, I have to agree with silversun on this. I mean its not impossible that kriea could die and then we could go another few hours before we get either the apprentice or the prestige class (I would think that the prestige class would come after the apprentice mainly because its suppost to be fairly hard to obtain).

 

Should Kreia die it might be a situation where we've met the apprentice all ready and it's a request made by her to take them with and train them. I agree when it comes to the Prestige Class,that stikes me as something that happens in the middle of the game.

[mastaGAW]

Anyone notice most of this thread has been about Marr and Handmaiden, but no information on disciple.

[SilverSun]

Not a lot of info on the character really,there's a little more on the other two. There's also a little more interest in Handmaiden/Marr because most people assumed at first that they were the same character.

 

Outside of the the assumption that you'll get Disciple if your PC is female there's not much to go on.

[Stargate: 2000]

Outside of the the assumption that you'll get Disciple if your PC is female there's not much to go on.

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well that can kinda be ruled out since the new screen saver as well as some screens it apears that you can get the disciple regaurdless of gender.

[SilverSun]

Really? Hmm hadn't seen anything like that.

 

 

Well so now we nothing on the character.

 

Hmm,train both,one gets jealous over the other and leaves to join the Sith or one sees your character is dark and leaves to join the Jedi setting up a Master Vs Student battle?

 

We're right back to having a lot of questions and a wait.

[Stargate: 2000]

Really? Hmm hadn't seen anything like that.

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Go to the hyperlinks below to see the wallpapers I was talking about I couldn't find any screens with the disciple in the them so I was wrong on that one, but the wallpapers both show a male PC and the disciple. Though its possible that they could just showing the differences between good and evil in the game but I think that they are acctually showing the partial party makeup.

 

Wallpaper DS

Wallpaper LS