Happy Voting!

[Commissar]

Did I miss the part where we figured out how we were going to pull the country together? 'cause I still hate bush.

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Did you miss where I posted tha tbush just requested to raise the cap on the debt, the day after the election?

 

O wait, that doesn't help at all.

 

Look, bad things (in our opinion) are going to happen, we los tthe election. Just hope that the demos in the senate ban together to stop the really bad things. That and some of the justices can hang on for 4 more years...

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The trouble is, the Democrats now believe they're going to have to realign themselves in order to win anything in the future. That means pushing more towards the middle and doing the God-fearing no-taxes bit.

 

But you hit on something that truly terrifies me; the Supreme Court. Bush could probably put anyone he wanted on the bench right now, and that's one of the worst possibilities I could imagine. Could you imagine someone like Ashcroft as a Supreme Court justice?

[Weiser_Cain]

Did I miss the part where we figured out how we were going to pull the country together? 'cause I still hate bush.

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It's an aquired taste :"> er never mind.

 

Countries are never united except in times of war or following really awful events.

But they still manage to muddle through anyway.

 

Perhaps if you made the reasons for your dissalusionment more apparent ? Or why you think you would suffer under Bush.

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Well a lot of republican policies actually prevent me from living my life as I see fit. Republicans seek to rule not serve, they will now continue to impose their way of life on me and legally I have no choice.

[Meshugger]

Look what i found at the somethingawful forums:

 

[taks]

Well a lot of republican policies actually prevent me from living my life as I see fit. Republicans seek to rule not serve, they will now continue to impose their way of life on me and legally I have no choice.

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oh really... which policies are those?

taks

[taks]

Wrong.  You did not say the rule does not apply to everyone.  You said it was bull****.  Want me to go back and point it out?

uh, you made a generalization and called it "fact" and i said bull****. then i backed it up with a very real case of a situation that does not fit your generalization. showing that not everyone gets "liberalized." that's the way proofs work. i should have stated Q.E.D. afterwards. my bad.

 

taks

[taks]

So, I'll say it again: higher education tends to have a liberalizing effect on those who benefit from it. 

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actually, your original quote was this...

 

Also, it's a generally known fact that higher education has a liberalizing effect on a person's views.

 

so tell me, when you make your generalizations, do you always add the phrase tends afterwards? i directly countered the 2nd quote and you had a problem with it, so now you change your statement. you did NOT say "tends to have a liberalizing effect" orignially... so what gives? first it was applied to everybody as a "fact" and now it "tends" to have an effect. i strictly pointed out that your statement does not apply to everyone. so this time... Q.E.D.

 

thanks.

 

taks

[Fionavar]

Let's consider this post a polite request to keep the thread alive. Post as is your prerogative, but the thread is being watched ... ok some post-Halloween scariness for you all

 

FLoSD.ObE

[Commissar]

Wrong.  You did not say the rule does not apply to everyone.  You said it was bull****.  Want me to go back and point it out?

uh, you made a generalization and called it "fact" and i said bull****. then i backed it up with a very real case of a situation that does not fit your generalization. showing that not everyone gets "liberalized." that's the way proofs work. i should have stated Q.E.D. afterwards. my bad.

 

taks

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It is a fact. It is a fact that higher education tends to be a liberalizing factor, which is what I said in the beginning and what I've said throughout. You're mistaken if you think I said every highly-educated individual is a liberal, since I gave the example of my father, who has more than a couple of degrees and is conservative. I still don't know what the hell you're arguing against.

[Ellester]

I posted earlier that Kerry won all (not some but all) counties where big cities were located in Ohio, whereas Bush won all the rural counties. The Republicans like to say that it

[Commissar]

So, I'll say it again: higher education tends to have a liberalizing effect on those who benefit from it. 

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actually, your original quote was this...

 

Also, it's a generally known fact that higher education has a liberalizing effect on a person's views.

 

so tell me, when you make your generalizations, do you always add the phrase tends afterwards? i directly countered the 2nd quote and you had a problem with it, so now you change your statement. you did NOT say "tends to have a liberalizing effect" orignially... so what gives? first it was applied to everybody as a "fact" and now it "tends" to have an effect. i strictly pointed out that your statement does not apply to everyone. so this time... Q.E.D.

 

thanks.

 

taks

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You know what? You're right. I did leave out the "tends" in the initial post, though I had meant to put it in. You've got me on that one, and if that's what we're arguing about, mea culpa.

[kumquatq3]

but the thread is being watched ... ok some post-Halloween scariness for you all

 

FLoSD.ObE

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Of course it's being watched, Bush did win reelection

 

:ph34r:

[Dakoth]

First off let me warn you taks any disscussion you have with Kumquatq3 and wiser falls on deaf ears they are part of the Chicago democratic machine and nothing you will say can change that.

 

As for you Comissar how about makeing your arguement more concise? I think this is what you have tried to say higher education tends to liberalise ones thinking while not necessarily making them a Liberal. The way you stated leads people to believe that just by getting more than a highschool education makes them more able to understand the concepts liberals believe in. I have said in the past I have no degree but I am far from stupid so please tell me how my sentances are structured improperly or I miss spell words, I will gladly bring you back to the point at hand and point out how that is a typical Liberl attack used by the left. In other words the first attack a liberal uses is intelligence when faced with an apponent that will not back down the only problem is when you do that and the person is of equal intelligence you come off as egotistical.

 

Lastly where do I fall into all this arguement am I a local yokal because I believe in a God, the right to own a firearm, and never recieved an education past highschool, even though I belive that gays getting married by the state is ok?

 

P.S

.*gets out of the way of all those smart southern engineers*

 

I know a lot of southerners that helped build the city of Chicago Wiser their called tradesman. I should have taken it for what it was after all most of Chicago believes the south starts after you cross I-80.

[kumquatq3]

^ Signed Disgruntled in Illinois

 

 

I think me and taks, while were on different sides, understand each others points. We argue about the details. I'm not claiming the world will end because Bush won and he's not saying I need to be happy about it.

 

 

O, I don't live in chicago, btw

[random evil guy]

First off let me warn you taks any disscussion you have with Kumquatq3 and wiser falls on deaf ears they are part of the Chicago democratic machine and nothing you will say can change that.

 

As for you Comissar how about makeing your arguement more concise?  I think this is what you have tried to say higher education tends to liberalise ones thinking while not necessarily making them a Liberal.  The way you stated leads people to believe that just by getting more than a highschool education makes them more able to understand the concepts liberals believe in.  I have said in the past I have no degree but I am far from stupid so please tell me how my sentances are structured improperly or I miss spell words, I will gladly bring you back to the point at hand and point out how that is a typical Liberl attack used by the left.  In other words the first attack a liberal uses is intelligence when faced with an apponent that will not back down  the only problem is when you do that and the person is of equal intelligence you come off as egotistical.

 

Lastly where do I fall into all this arguement am I a local yokal because I believe in a God, the right to own a firearm, and never recieved an education past highschool, even though I belive that gays getting married by the state is ok?

 

P.S

.*gets out of the way of all those smart southern engineers*

 

I know a lot of southerners that helped build the city of Chicago Wiser their called tradesman. I should have taken it for what it was after all most of Chicago believes the south starts after you cross I-80.

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i'm not sure what some of you are saying, but education is not equivalent with conservatism. here in norway, the most educated tend to vote for liberal parties. the liberal right and the social democrats are without a doubt the two parties the highest educated tend to vote for.

 

the right wing party, which is similar to the republican party, is really struggling to capture votes from those with the highest income and the best/highest education. the same can be said for the rest of scandinavia, germany, netherlands and several other countries in europe.

 

i am currently working on my masters degree in mathmatics and i usually vote for the social democrats or the liberal right party(extremely liberal attitude towards social issues such as gay rights, abortion, but at the same time marked liberalists).

[deganawida]

Did I miss the part where we figured out how we were going to pull the country together? 'cause I still hate bush.

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Did you miss where I posted tha tbush just requested to raise the cap on the debt, the day after the election?

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Not relevant, or even a surprise. If you had paid attention to the news several weeks ago, you would have noticed that the SecTreas went in front of Congress and told them that we had reached our spending cap and all government spending would have to be put on hold until Congress raised the spending limit. Congress voted to put the matter on hold until after the election. No matter who was elected, the debt cap would have had to been raised. This does not, in any way, imply new spending, just that this year's budget exceeds the estimate.

[Commissar]

First off let me warn you taks any disscussion you have with Kumquatq3 and wiser falls on deaf ears they are part of the Chicago democratic machine and nothing you will say can change that.

 

As for you Comissar how about makeing your arguement more concise?  I think this is what you have tried to say higher education tends to liberalise ones thinking while not necessarily making them a Liberal.  The way you stated leads people to believe that just by getting more than a highschool education makes them more able to understand the concepts liberals believe in.  I have said in the past I have no degree but I am far from stupid so please tell me how my sentances are structured improperly or I miss spell words, I will gladly bring you back to the point at hand and point out how that is a typical Liberl attack used by the left.  In other words the first attack a liberal uses is intelligence when faced with an apponent that will not back down  the only problem is when you do that and the person is of equal intelligence you come off as egotistical.

 

Lastly where do I fall into all this arguement am I a local yokal because I believe in a God, the right to own a firearm, and never recieved an education past highschool, even though I belive that gays getting married by the state is ok?

 

P.S

.*gets out of the way of all those smart southern engineers*

 

I know a lot of southerners that helped build the city of Chicago Wiser their called tradesman. I should have taken it for what it was after all most of Chicago believes the south starts after you cross I-80.

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My argument is pretty concise. I've repeated it several times - Taks was right in calling me on misspeaking at first. That was my mistake, and I didn't intend to say that everyone with a college education is a liberal. However, the point still stands.

 

What I said about grammar was mostly in jest, but I'll tell you the truth; when I'm arguing with someone like deganawida I tend to take him more seriously because he makes use of little things like capitalization and punctuation. Sorry, but I associate haphazard typing with fourteen year-olds whose opinion I tend to disregard, rightly or wrongly. Just a thing of mine.

 

Furthermore, it's pretty dangerous to classify me as a lefty. I voted for Bush in 2000, and - here's a kicker - I not only worked for John McCain's campaign during the 2000 Republican primaries, but I was even one of his campaign's television spokesmen for my little neck of the woods. This was mostly by virtue of being one of the few guys willing to blow off class and get up at five in the morning to go do interviews, but nevertheless, I wouldn't consider myself a bought and sold Democrat.

 

Socially, I'm very, very liberal. I too own a firearm, but more for the simple pleasure of taking it to the range now and again and firing off a few rounds. I honestly wouldn't be that mad if the government took it away from me. I do not thinks gays should be allowed to marry at this point in time, but it wouldn't kill me if they were. I am strongly, strongly in favor of civil unions. I think we ought to do as much stem cell research as we can. I support a woman's right to choose, though I do not support late term or partial birth abortions. I am a strong supporter of the United States military due to firsthand experience with it, and I think the current Iraqi war was one of the worst blunders ever committed by a US president. I do not think a war on terrorism can be won. I do not think George Bush is evil, but I believe he is misguided and arrogant. I do not believe religion is evil, but I believe it has no place in the governing of a country. I think that with all that Christianity has been wrong about over the past two thousand years, it no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt and people ought to trust science and reason over pure faith. I believe it is the height of human arrogance to think we could possibly be sure of God's motives or intentions or wants or dislikes, if a God does exist. I live in a Southern state and believe NASCAR stands for Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks. I hate Michael Moore. I think people who boycott an actor's movies because of his or her political views are idiots.

 

Fiscally, I'm generally conservative, and I'd say I have a conservative view of foreign policy, but Bush has changed my ideas about what exactly that means.

[kumquatq3]

This does not, in any way, imply new spending, just that this year's budget exceeds the estimate.

 

Thats not "relevant"?????

 

But I agree with you on one thing, it's not a surprise

[Dakoth]

I think me and taks, while were on different sides, understand each others points. We argue about the details. I'm not claiming the world will end because Bush one and he's not saying I need to be happy about it.

 

That is not the message I tried to convey. I was just warning taks that argument against Democrats to a Chicago Demecrat falls on deaf ears. Do you think Bushed lied to go to war with Iraq and to get re elected? Do you think he uses immoral tactics to get what he wants? Do you think it was ok that Jack Ryans personal sex life was brought into play during the campaign against Obama?

 

Actually random I tried to point out that I think education has little to do with the way people vote.

[deganawida]

This does not, in any way, imply new spending, just that this year's budget exceeds the estimate.

 

Thats not "relevant"?????

 

But I agree with you on one thing, it's not a surprise

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To your original point, it is not. You were implying that Bush is already breaking a campaign promise to reduce the national deficit by 2009 by raising the ceiling. This would have happened no matter who was elected, unless you wanted all government employees to not get paid for the rest of the fiscal year, schools stop getting funding, etc.

[Phosphor]

This thread is just freaking ugly. Utterly all over the place, and what logical comments are being made are buried underneath flaming and bickering.

Understandable given the day, but I'm closing this thread in hopes of perhaps more constructive threads being made.