The All Things Political Topic - SNAFU edition

[Pidesco]

1 hour ago, Hurlshort said:

Jesus. The complete waste of resources is what I think should be unifying people here. These guys are paid by taxpayer money to do what, exactly? 

A little authoritarianism. Just a little. 

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

Jesus. The complete waste of resources is what I think should be unifying people here. These guys are paid by taxpayer money to do what, exactly? 

To satisfy the large number of Americans that dig uniformed men roughing up or intimidating people. See Noem, Patel, Bondi or Hegseth constantly trying to show how big their figurative penises are, it's how this show goes.

Related to that, what lame ass Operation name will they give the Venezuela job.  

[uuuhhii]

usa already have least cost effective military in the world

now they can have the least cost effective secret police too

[Gromnir]

7 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Carry out Trump's plan of grievance? Stamp out opposition? Own the libs?

I think fiscal conservatism only applies to "things we don't like" for the Republicans at the moment and it probably always was for a lot of them.. and they seem to be fine with the above reasons.

@Hurlshot is looking for rational and reasonable, but what too many people ain't figured out yet is that rational and reasonable is incidental concerns which 90% o' the time may be deflected with whataboutism or bible verse.  the remaining ten percent? the maga faithful, when confronted with clear evidence o' mistake and/or hypocrisy, will final admit, "nothing you say or do will change my mind." 

even before hillary's deplorables remark, libs like hurl made real americans feel shame. all too frequent you (not hurl specific, but libs in general,)  dismissed their beliefs as conspiracy theories and religious zealotry. recognizing that minorities commit more crime and are habitual leeching off o' government welfare programs is facts according to tucker carlson, but libs identify such truth telling as racist. real americans worked harder and got less every year, but libs ignored their problems and instead focused on providing free transition surgery to prisoners. etc.

hurl being annoyed and confused is the point.

immigrant suffering is also the point. precisely because immigrants is part of the them as opposed to the maga us, their suffering is justified and righteous. additional, hurl's impotent displeasure is in part why ice has videographers following around their ice teams. seeing them suffer is swell, but hurl qqing about the unnecessary cruelty is delicious.

children crying as their parents is detained with excessive force is the point... but hurl predictable complaining is also a motivating factor.

vol's transitive property stoopid which resulted in every act o' violence being the fault of blm and antifa has been coopted by the trump administration. 'ccording to 47, antifa is a terrorist organization.  if you suggest that a member o' the trump administration is fascist, authoritarian, or you accuse 'em of using unnecessary violence to achieve illegal government goals, then you are a member of antifa and as such a terrorist and an enemy of the state? hurl being outraged by this kinda stoopid is as much the point as is the genuine authoritarian effort to suppress dissent.

etc.

maga wants trump to lower prices of groceries, housing and healthcare, but they don't need it. what maga needs is for them to suffer and for hurl to complain without being able to do anything about it. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[uuuhhii]

3 hours ago, Gromnir said:

@Hurlshot is looking for rational and reasonable, but what too many people ain't figured out yet is that rational and reasonable is incidental concerns which 90% o' the time may be deflected with whataboutism or bible verse.  the remaining ten percent? the maga faithful, when confronted with clear evidence o' mistake and/or hypocrisy, will final admit, "nothing you say or do will change my mind." 

even before hillary's deplorables remark, libs like hurl made real americans feel shame. all too frequent you (not hurl specific, but libs in general,)  dismissed their beliefs as conspiracy theories and religious zealotry. recognizing that minorities commit more crime and are habitual leeching off o' government welfare programs is facts according to tucker carlson, but libs identify such truth telling as racist. real americans worked harder and got less every year, but libs ignored their problems and instead focused on providing free transition surgery to prisoners. etc.

hurl being annoyed and confused is the point.

immigrant suffering is also the point. precisely because immigrants is part of the them as opposed to the maga us, their suffering is justified and righteous. additional, hurl's impotent displeasure is in part why ice has videographers following around their ice teams. seeing them suffer is swell, but hurl qqing about the unnecessary cruelty is delicious.

children crying as their parents is detained with excessive force is the point... but hurl predictable complaining is also a motivating factor.

vol's transitive property stoopid which resulted in every act o' violence being the fault of blm and antifa has been coopted by the trump administration. 'ccording to 47, antifa is a terrorist organization.  if you suggest that a member o' the trump administration is fascist, authoritarian, or you accuse 'em of using unnecessary violence to achieve illegal government goals, then you are a member of antifa and as such a terrorist and an enemy of the state? hurl being outraged by this kinda stoopid is as much the point as is the genuine authoritarian effort to suppress dissent.

etc.

maga wants trump to lower prices of groceries, housing and healthcare, but they don't need it. what maga needs is for them to suffer and for hurl to complain without being able to do anything about it. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

pretty sure someone on this forum once quoted this

 

A man catches a magical golden fish, who tells him: "I'm going to grant you a wish, any wish, but your neighbour will receive double what you get."

After thinking for a bit, the man says "I wish I was blind in one eye."

 

 

[Gorth]

Would it be tasteless of me to quote my signature here?

[uuuhhii]

does usa really want to do regime change on venezuela

the incompetence shown so far are impressive

they did syria so well not so long ago

[Malcador]

 

 

[Bartimaeus]

https://people.com/donald-trump-mistakes-dementia-screening-for-iq-test-11837935

Canadian neurologist Dr. Ziad Nasreddine, who created the MoCA test in 1996, told NBC News that the screening should not be used to measure intelligence.
"There are no studies showing that this test is correlated to IQ tests," Nasreddine said. "The purpose of it was not to determine persons who have a low IQ level. So we cannot say that this test reflects somebody's IQ.”

I always like it when news stories bother to add these "expert opinions" to stories like this, bonus points that it's literally the creator of the MoCA* this time - as if this is a serious story where we really need context to fully understand what all of this means, when actually...yeah, we know the guy is just a dumbass.

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Edited yesterday at 05:00 AM by Bartimaeus

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, Malcador said:

 

 

Yes its a horrific ongoing war and Im being generous if I say its gets 5% of the attention and outrage that the Palestinian vs Israeli conflict gets

And that includes attention and activism from Africa which is where you would expect to find the real concern

But there was attempts to pass UNSC resolutions last year declaring a ceasefire but Russia vetoed it, the only country that blocked the resolution 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/11/25/un-russia-vetoes-sudan-resolution-despite-global-support

 

 

 

[Gromnir]

2 hours ago, Bartimaeus said:

https://people.com/donald-trump-mistakes-dementia-screening-for-iq-test-11837935

Canadian neurologist Dr. Ziad Nasreddine, who created the MoCA test in 1996, told NBC News that the screening should not be used to measure intelligence.
"There are no studies showing that this test is correlated to IQ tests," Nasreddine said. "The purpose of it was not to determine persons who have a low IQ level. So we cannot say that this test reflects somebody's IQ.”

I always like it when news stories bother to add these "expert opinions" to stories like this, bonus points that it's literally the creator of the MoCA* this time - as if this is a serious story where we really need context to fully understand what all of this means, when actually...yeah, we know the guy is just a dumbass.

*

 

"Trump has unveiled a number of moves aimed at cutting drug prices in recent months, but he has yet to move the needle on reducing costs – much less slashing them by 1,500%, which is mathematically impossible, experts say."

...

experts say? experts? why not just ask a random fourth grader?

 

am curious why the obvious question regarding the MoCA administered by walter reed doctors as part o' a trump exam is never asked: why did doctors feel it were prudent to have trump take the MoCA? is not a standard test for seventy-somethings. the fact doctors had trump take the test should be worrisome to people, but somehow that fact gets lost. tell us that his most recent PET scan is clear wouldn't raise alarms? 'course you would be curious as to why he were getting PET scans, right? PET scans is not routine. MoCA is similar not ordinary. trump bragging about acing the test is signature trump stoopid, but it should concern everybody that doctors had reason to administer the test.

we were in the room when the test were administered to our +80 father following his TIA. 

*shrug*

keep in mind that the media mocking trump for his ignorance and stoopidity is one o' the reasons he is so popular, as insane as that sounds. maga is about outrage and grievance... maga is the real victims in 2025. the perception that smarty-pants libs has been mocking working class americans for their lack o' education is one reason why they vote for trump.  47 is overt ignorant, unapologetically bigoted... and he is a winner. is a curiously seductive combination for too many americans.

trump is using his voters and likely hates 'em, but maga loves trump 'cause he is their retribution.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/user-clip-i-am-your-retribution/5100721

maga identifies with trump not in spite o' his ignorance and bigotry but 'cause o' such. maga loves trump 'cause he is shameless and vindictive.

lord help us.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Malcador]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes its a horrific ongoing war and Im being generous if I say its gets 5% of the attention and outrage that the Palestinian vs Israeli conflict gets

And that includes attention and activism from Africa which is where you would expect to find the real concern

But there was attempts to pass UNSC resolutions last year declaring a ceasefire but Russia vetoed it, the only country that blocked the resolution 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/11/25/un-russia-vetoes-sudan-resolution-despite-global-support

 

 

 

Maybe someone should lean on the UAE to stop funding the RSF.

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Maybe someone should lean on the UAE to stop funding the RSF.

Yes there is interference from several countries that include the UAE and Russia and they all have vested interests in the war continuing but the 2 Sudanese  factions fighting it are the  main problem 

But the real disappointment for me is this should be something that the AU resolves but its toothless. Very good at rhetoric and podium statements but terrible at implementation of its own policies

Africa cannot realize its full potential until the likes of the AU is effective and consistent

So failing that we constantly fall back on the UN to resolve Africa's problems with mixed results. And then if a UNSC is vetoed you  see nothing constructive 

Unfortunately Trumps direct intervention and transactional approach to geopolitics has more success in several conflicts than the UNSC but the US has no interests in this Sudan war so I cant see the US intervening unless asked?

 

 

[Zoraptor]

Eh, I'm not sure we can draw too many conclusions from what was done in Trump's medical exams. Especially so given what happened with Biden. Not just the apparent mental decline with no (medical) explanation but also having advanced prostate cancer. Diagnosed after he left office for sure, but he definitely had it while president and it was not picked up on.

Whatever else, Trump isn't just a normal 70+ year old just as Biden wasn't. He's not just getting his bp checked, maybe a blood test and a listen to the heart plus a quick chat about any ongoing issues and review of medications; and you wouldn't expect that to be all they had even for relative youngsters like Clinton/ BushGW/ Obama.

And in this case, and I can't believe I'm going to end up 'defending' Donald Trump, Trump did insist Biden should take a cognitive impairment test way back in early 2024 (which Biden didn't) so he's actually being consistent taking one himself.

Really though, Executive Leaders ought to be obliged to take cognitive tests. Otherwise you'll end up with something potentially disastrous like announcing a declaration of war as a sound test (thanks, Ronnie).

[Gromnir]

MoCA is not a special test, like for astronauts or somesuch.

MoCA is far more akin to a roadside sobriety test administered 'cause there is some reason to believe an individual is an imminent danger to themself or others. doctors won't let mary go home alone from the hospital if she fails to pass the test. furthermore, as explained to us, the MoCA is one tool for assessing cognitive issues and is far from dispositive. the test is crude and not meant to be used as proof o' wellbeing. 

incidental aside:

we mentioned how our father took the MoCA following a TIA episode. gonna admit we were shocked when dad got every question correct 'cause at 81 and suffering numerous health problems, he were cognitive more than a couple dimes short o' a dollar. dad were at his worst at night, but even during daylight hours he were noticeable... off. people who hadn't seen our father since he were 78 or even 79 woulda' been nonplussed at pop's decline. our father aced the MoCA, and he were simultaneous a wreck. pass the test is not meaningful proof o' mental fitness.

personal anecdotal evidence is functional worthless when attempting to formulate conclusions o' general applicability. nevertheless, am mentioning in part 'cause our father were not proud o' his test results and he sure as heck wouldn't have shared with anybody that he had taken the exam; am suspecting our presence in the exam room were mildly traumatic for him. our father, as diminished as he were at 81, recognized how simple and trivial were the questions o' the MoCA. our father were insulted at being asked such ridiculous simple questions, but he were also self aware enough to be afraid that doctors deemed the test were necessary. we can count on one hand the number o' times we had seen our father show visible fear... and have a couple spare fingers.

am thinking trump consistency on demanding everybody take the MoCA missies the point(s.) the MoCA is not an intelligence test as he suggests. nobody with all their marbles would brag about acing the test. the test is not part o' even comprehensive physicals. etc.

edit: as a practical matter, am not seeing a way to add a cognitive test requirement for article 1, 2 and/or 3 offices. would need to amend the Constitution and is unlikely you add a specific test or some subjective measure such as cognitive fitness to an amendment. am s'posing individual states could require passing a state approved mental fitness test to be added to their ballot, but am thinking there is obvious hurdles for that solution, not to mention the nightmare scenario o' each state having different tests and standards which would then likely result in scotus deciding the scheme is unconstitutional regardless. 

the most simple answer is one am having mentioned previous: a Constitutional Amendment which creates an age limit for enumerated article 1, 2, and 3 offices. yeah, such an amendment would not solve the problem o' folks such as fetterman and others who is younger but possible impaired, but age is an objective standard and cognitive fitness is not. 

is unfortunate that the only way we see the adoption o' any kinda amendment which might address the cognitive impairment issue either direct or indirect is if something were to go dramatic and horrible wrong with a President or a scotus Justice. 

HA! Good Fun!

ps https://www.instagram.com/p/DN_Ui9oD-LU/

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Gromnir

[Zoraptor]

14 specialists examined Trump in 2025, and 20 (!) examined Biden in 2024. That is far beyond a 'comprehensive physical' already. Maybe, if your surname was Bezos/ Musk/ Ellison. Maybe.

Drawing conclusions from mislabeling a cognition test is at very very best tenuous. Trump boasting of passing an 'intelligence test' for a cognitive test is absolutely par for the course with his behaviour since forever. Not just in getting what it was wrong (ie thinking he's highly intelligent and this proves it, as a narcissist that is absolute par for the course) but also because he's getting back at his predecessor since Biden infamously didn't take one in 2024 when prompted to; and Trump is very much about being 'better' than Biden (and Obama). 

The answer to the question of "why did doctors feel it were prudent to have trump take the MoCA?" is pretty clearly explained by him having demanded Biden take one, and that is actually a pretty good reason for taking it.

(I know perfectly well what cognitive tests are as my dad has dementia and I too sat in a room while one was administered. He didn't take a MoCA (or at least, not the one Bartimaeus posted, it was out of 20 and apart from the clock what he had to draw was different) but a very similar one. That and the simultaneous chat with the specialist was enough for a diagnosis of dementia on the spot. Note: I actually can prove that since I still have the formal diagnosis in my files, though for obvious reasons I won't. What the cause/ type was needed an MRI, but that was all. And knowing it was mixed ischaemic/ frontotemporal meant basically nothing anyway, except in terms of knowing what to expect)

Edited 14 hours ago by Zoraptor

[Malcador]

https://www.gamefile.news/p/halo-ice-developers-react

Well, at least they're not portraying illegal immigrants as Tyranids or something. 

[Gromnir]

10 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

14 specialists examined Trump in 2025, and 20 (!) examined Biden in 2024. That is far beyond a 'comprehensive physical' already.

the number of specialists named as having been part o' a Presidential medical review is strawman. our recollection is that  george w. bush (is literal the only President other than kennedy am having searched... and the kennedy doctors lied about his addison's and drug use, so take that for what it is worth,) had more than a dozen listed specialists examine him and he took any number o' tests during his time as President including a head ears nose and throat exam, a chest x-ray and an ekg, but nothing particularly noteworthy. no MoCA. no multiple mri. if george w bush had been subjected to multiple PET scans or a doctor felt a MoCA was warranted, that woulda' been big news. for gawd's sake, bush had some benign colon polyps removed and 'cause he were incapacitated during the procedure, **** cheney were the temp chief executive. the polyp removal procedure were relative trivial, but 'cause it were Presidential polyps, the news were front page. but for some reason, trump getting tested for dementia deserves a hand wave from zor? ok.

yeah, instead o' a general practitioner reviewing basic test numbers as would happen for joe the plumber, the doctors reviewing joe the President tests is gonna be specialists, but that fact is not actual relevant to the significance o' a doctor determining a MoCA were warranted. 

14 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Trump boasting of passing an 'intelligence test' for a cognitive test is absolutely par for the course with his behaviour since forever.

again,  not helping your position. 

14 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

The answer to the question of "why did doctors feel it were prudent to have trump take the MoCA?" is pretty clearly explained by him having demanded Biden take one, and that is actually a pretty good reason for taking it.

uh... what? the real sequence of events is worth a review. first reports o' trump taking the test is from 2018 and he were bragging 'bout his results before anybody knew biden would be his opponent in a Presidential election. am not recollecting any trump mention o' biden contemporaneous with the 2018 MoCA test, so maybe the explanation you see as clear is a bit more muddy, eh? trump figured that he might be running against an old guy in 2020, so in january o' 2018 he takes a dementia test? 

...

well, ok then.

are you sharing your father's situation as some kinda rebuttal of the observation that the test itself is not dispositive? that wouldn't make much sense, would it? is gonna be a host o' factors involved, including the chat with the specialist you casually reference and again, whatever circumstances prompted the doctor to suggest your father should take the test in the first place, no? Gromnir's father had experienced a TIA and during conversations with doctors, he seemed impaired. taking the MoCA were not just some kinda rando checkup event. am not sure why this needs repetition, but the fact a doctor believed Gromnir's father should have a dementia test were concerning. even our father were recognizing the seriousness o' the situation. am not aware o' your father's circumstances, but given the results o' the doctor exam as you describe, am suspecting there were reasons why the doctor administered the test in the first place. 

by now am able to tell when you are arguing for the sake o' arguing no matter how weak is the position you choose to take.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Gromnir]

Judge Blasts Border Patrol Boss Greg Bovino For Violating Excessive Force Order

“Kids dressed in Halloween costumes walking to a parade do not pose an immediate threat to the safety of a law enforcement officer,” U.S. District Judge Sara Ellis told Bovino during a court hearing Tuesday morning. “They just don’t.”

am having no idea what is the "block club chicago," or how trustworthy they is as sources, but am having read a couple stories which are near identical but are paywall protected. also, much o' the relevant info is quotes by bovino and ellis which am able to tentative verify via multiple sources. 

also,

this effective vacates the earlier appellate ruling, so the original tro preventing national guard in portland remains in effect... though am forgetting the duration o' the original tro, so there could be a need for the original judge to reissue the tros.

gives us a headache trying to keep all the troops in the streets cases separate. 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited 12 hours ago by Gromnir

[Zoraptor]

54 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

stuff

Shrug.

"why did doctors feel it were prudent to have trump take the MoCA?" or " but that fact is not actual relevant to the significance o' a doctor determining a MoCA were warranted" assumes- without evidence- that the doctor wanted it. It happened because Trump wanted it to.

Maybe, just maybe, it being spelled out in an actual quote from the horse's mouth- Donald J Trump himself- might help? 

Quote

Overall I felt I was in very good shape. Good heart. A good soul. Very good soul. I took — I wanted to be a little different than Biden. I took a cognitive test. I don’t know what to tell you other than I got every answer right,” Trump said.

from April 12, 2025. He even got what the test was right, then. Sure, Trump could be lying about his motivations just because it's Trump and he lies. Chances are significantly higher that he was telling the truth- otherwise, why mention it?- and wanted it specifically because Biden didn't take one, as he stated.

The chances of him being 'forced' to take one by his doctors are also shot to pieces by Biden not being forced to despite his obvious decline. Indeed, in some sources he is said to have refused to take one.

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

Sure, Trump could be lying about his motivations just because it's Trump

ya think?

HA!

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

Chances are significantly higher that he was telling the truth- otherwise, why mention it?

am having a hard time taking you serious. trump wanted to be tested for dementia? his idea? the 224lb trump wanted to prove to self, prove to the world, that he were just as sound o' mind as he were o' body?

alternative: mayhap the reason he mentioned it were 'cause the fact he got the test were recorded. Presidential records and all that. am having no idea what were the real reason why trump got the test, but is improbable biden figured into the calculus in January 2018. am s'posing that once trump took the test he could either find some way to hide the fact the test were administered, or he could try to spin the circumstances. as such, am seeing a relative obvious and plausible reason for trump mentioning it. admitted, hiding the fact the test were administered would not be unique in Presidential history;  has happened numerous times in the past. however, trying to cover up scandals in the trump wh were a hit-or-miss proposition in 2018 as his staff were notorious for leaking and knowing that your co-conspirator were the pill-popping and alcoholic ronny jackson might have been cause for concern. heck for all we know, kellyanne conway found out the truth at which point trump woulda' suspected wapo or cnn would have the story w/i twenty-four hours? sure, we know that in 2025 trump coulda' had seal team 6 disappear ms. conway to keep her from spilling the news, but that weren't the case in january 2018. doesn't actual matter what were trumps' thoughts 'cause regardless it takes near zero imagination to picture a trump convinced o' his own ability to dr. mesmer willful obtuse maga faithful (and zor) into believing that there were nothing at all curious about his being the subject of a dementia test... 'cause how many other stoopidly bad situations has he successful spun?

again, trump took the test in january 2018, so the biden explanation should immediately dissolve into insensibility for anybody paying attention... anybody but zor. 

...

and am wondering if you even bothered to read the rest o' your own linked article, which is pretty damning for trump.

regardless, am amused anybody would find a gobbledygook bit o' word salad from a pathologically mendacious 224lb horse's mouth at all persuasive when there is a skeevy and self-serving explanation available.

*shrug*

in any event, as predicted, this become farce all too quick.

HA! Good Fun!

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Gromnir

[rjshae]

DJs threat to declare the mythical antifa as a terrorist organization got me to thinking about the future... when MAGA is declared a terrorist organization. He's laying the groundwork for that event. What was 1/6 if not a domestic terrorist act? Should be fun.

[Gromnir]

4 minutes ago, rjshae said:

DJs threat to declare the mythical antifa as a terrorist organization got me to thinking about the future... when MAGA is declared a terrorist organization. He's laying the groundwork for that event. What was 1/6 if not a domestic terrorist act? Should be fun.

the domestic terrorist label problem predates 1/6 by a smidge

am not suggesting false equivalency and you could find older posts from Gromnir where we warn 'bout the slippery slope potential o' the domestic terrorist label. is not a new problem... but am admitting our failure o' imagination pre trump. the scale and scope o' what steven miller and the other trump admin authoritarians is implementing we so did not foresee short o' contemporaneous with a major war or economic cataclysm. in times o' relative peace and prosperity we could not have predicted the american people would shrug off masked troops in the streets acting on an extra judicial basis to intentional cause panic among the population.

earlier in the year, trump identified people vandalizing teslas as terrorists. antifa is now terrorists, and antifa membership is pretty much determined by the doj disliking your social media? possible drug runners, thousands o' miles away from the US and likely carrying cargo meant for europe is narco terrorists. next?

but again, as much as we would like that it were true, the problem didn't start with trump and it sure won't end with him.

just kidding.

the gandhi quote might be misattributed, but am thinking it is axiomatic that our current american divisiveness ain't gonna get better anytime soon... and is no chance for improvement while so many believes they is justified in exacting retribution on wrongdoers. they deserve it, so is ok that they should suffer.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Zoraptor]

1 hour ago, Gromnir said:

am having a hard time taking you serious.

Shrug, right back at you.

You asked the question of why, twice, you got the answer, twice second time with a direct quote- and you didn't like it, twice. Nobody else's fault but yours about that. Indeed, your response is highly reminiscent of what you'd expect from... Donald Trump insisting something is wrong because Sleepy Joe said it.

I'm not one to take Trump at face value, but there is literally nothing to support your assertion- made twice- that Trump's doctors wanted him to take a cognition test. Nothing. His doctors don't say that. Trump didn't say that. He has a demonstrated history of demanding them to be taken previous and (allegedly) took them previous. He even got it being a cognition test rather than an intelligence one correct, initially. 

You might think it's silly trying to own Biden by passing a cognition test, I might think it's silly* but it's entirely in keeping with Trump's character over decades, and is something he demonstrably said he'd do and supposedly had already done more than a year ago. Again, the clearly in decline Biden couldn't be 'forced' to take one as you asserted Trump was. There is literally nothing to support you except it being Trump. 

You do actually have to come up with some evidence that Trump is lying besides his lips moving. Otherwise it's just Trump Derangement Syndrome and you can accuse him of quite literally anything- and whatever he says is evidence for your view. In this case everything is readily explainable by the one thing pretty much everyone except his absolute fanboys would agree Trump has- chronic narcissism. He was boasting about passing the test because Biden refused (or 'refused'), and because a load of people asserted he had dementia, and because he said he would and people would complain if he didn't. That's what he said, it makes sense from the perspective of a chronic narcissist, it's what he said he'd do more than a year ago; and there's literally no counter evidence provided.

Disbelieving him him just because it suits you is an extraordinarily weak argument, even for you. Indeed, it's not really an argument at all.

*not wholly so, after all Biden clearly was in decline and you got lots of people asserting Trump had dementia as well as a deflection from that. From Harris's recent comments you get the idea that she would have loved Biden to have taken one as well before deciding to stand again...

[Gromnir]

55 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

You asked the question of why, twice, you got the answer, twice second time with a direct quote- and you didn't like it, twice. Nobody else's fault but yours about that. Indeed, your response is highly reminiscent of what you'd expect from... Donald Trump insisting something is wrong because Sleepy Joe said it.

what on earth are you talking about? am genuine baffled. never did we reference something said by joe biden... or is this your reflexive whataboutism at play? serious, am having no idea what you could possible be talking 'bout.

and pointing out that you provided an answer is equal meaningless. could tell us the reason doctors tested trump in 2018 for dementia were sun spots. suns spots as an explanation would indeed be a response, an answer. so what? 

am thinking part o' the problem is that you don't know how to make sense of a calendar. 

who was on the democrat ticket in january o' 2018? trick question. answer: nobody. as o' january 2018, andrew yang and one other guy had announced they would seek to run as democrats in the Presidential election, and biden were not one o' those two. trump never mentioned biden when he had his dementia test in January 2018... which is in part why we questioned whether you had bothered to actual read the article past the quote you used. wanna go back and look at this board circa january 2018? see how much discussion there is o' the democrat candidates for President in 2020, much less an assumption biden would be trump's opponent. you get it now? you provided an irrelevant answer. sun spots. trump's response about biden from your linked article is just as irrelevant as is sun spots.

the notion trump got a dementia test to preemptive set himself apart from biden makes no sense, no matter how many different ways you repeat. feel free to strawman all you want, but bringing up biden ad nauseum is transparent futile and pointless. biden mental problems, which we lamented more than once, is irrelevant as to why trump a doctor administered a dementia test to trump in 2018, january of 2018.

as to tds... you must be joking. am certain you ain't joking, but am trying to give you the benefit o' the doubt. lord knows why you would wanna bring up questions of evidence and truth telling.

is a movie clip, but it is educational 'cause if we are talking 'bout evidence, the witness' propensity for telling falsehoods is always relevant. the deluge o' documented and confirmed trump lies is too significant to catalog on this board, but that improbable bloated ledger is prima facia admissible evidence if it is offered to impeach a witness' testimony. proof of past falsehoods is relevant when attempting to convince the finder o' fact (jury or judge,) that the witness's testimony should not be believed.

as hard as it is to believe, sometimes legal rules is just codified common sense. your improbable need to give trump the benefit o' the doubt is the actual tds. given thousands o' examples o' trump lies about anything and everything, when confronted with a situation where trump mighta' lied to protect his "chronic narcissism," zor nevertheless finds trump claims convincing... in spite o' the calendar. sheesh.

am thinking it is safe to say that the 224 lb trump lied about his weight recent and is known he has pressured doctors into lying for him in the past. is not just that trump lies routine, but that he lies about his health and well being and has conspired with doctors in the past to perpetuate the lies. so we got a pattern as well as a propensity for falsehood... even so, zor soldiers on with his tds?

no lawyer would ever put trump on a witness stand, not evar, 'cause his propensity for falsehood would be relevant under cross examination. it would require no great skill by an attorney to convince any finder o' fact that trump testimony is functional worthless, particular if there were some personal benefit to trump in lying. can zor imagine why a chronic narcissist such as trump might lie about the reason a doctor tested him for dementia in JANUARY of 2018? am betting literal everybody other than zor can come up with a plausible reason trump might lie to cover up the reason for his JANUARY 2018 dementia test. am not sure why your father's doctor thought he should take a dementia test, but our father's doctor most certainty were not worried about joe biden. am betting that in near all cases when a doctor recommends that their patient respond to MoCA questions, the motivation is approximately the same: the doctor has concerns that their patient is cognitively impaired. 

trumps 2024 word salad explanation for why he were being tested for dementia is clearly aberrational... is not the typical reason a person is asked to submit to MoCA questions. that a chronic narcissist would want anybody to know they took that test is also suspect, but perhaps zor is speaking to us from the upside down?

our father were a proud man and he were mortified that he were needing draw a clock and identify a giraffe. am having a hard time believing a chronic narcissist would wanna discuss their dementia test results.

 

5 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

from April 12, 2025. He even got what the test was right, then. Sure, Trump could be lying about his motivations just because it's Trump and he lies. Chances are significantly higher that he was telling the truth- otherwise, why mention it?- and wanted it specifically because Biden didn't take one, as he stated.

ironic eh? you asked "why" and you got a far better answer than you offered us. again, biden is irrelevant. look. at. a. calendar. wanting a dementia test in january of 2018 cause o' biden is an idiotic claim for reasons obvious to anybody who can figure out how to read a calendar.

jesus.

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