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[Gromnir]

Senate parliamentarian deals blow to Republicans over Medicaid provisions in Trump's megabill

The ruling is a major setback for Republican leadership, who are under pressure to expeditiously move it to the Senate floor to meet the July deadline. This ruling will require potentially major reworks of the bill with relatively little time to accomplish them. And no matter how they change it, leaders are likely to frustrate some faction of the Republican conference, which could imperil the bill's passage.

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not accurate, but it might be true. by a majority vote, the senate could overrule the parliamentarian, but that almost never happens. 'course a whole lotta almost never happens has been happening under trump, yes?

also, the scotus procedural ruling on deportations to third country is disappointing and has the Court fully embracing its ordinary three wise monkey attitude.

"Instead, at least five of the same justices who, as recently as April, were especially adamant that alleged alien enemies have a right to notice and an opportunity to be heard before they can be removed under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 were willing to sign off on a ruling that effectively allows for countless other migrants to be removed to third countries where they have credible arguments that they’ll be mistreated—for no other reason than because they’ve already been held to be removable to some other country. Due process apparently matters to these justices on the initial removability question, but not beyond that."

the Court, back in april, recognized that the government were intentional misleading in their efforts to rush plaintiffs outta jurisdictions just ahead of judge rulings being delivered in addition to the fed's embrace of deceitful shell games such as ceding authority of deportees to the department of defense while claiming that judge orders specified only homeland security and ice... not to mention sh!te like

the doj is serious arguing that abrego garcia should not be released from criminal custody 'cause then he would be deported, resulting in the State losing the opportunity to criminal prosecute a bad guy. 

oh, and emil bove

HA! Good Fun!

 

[uuuhhii]

1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

Meaning?

Do you mean an EU army because the EU is not a federal system, its a union of different countries 

 

that is why eu couldn't protect itself

it have to change

[Gromnir]

the ruling in the birthright citizenship case, which did not address in anyway what constitutes US citizenship, will have almost no impact on the birthright citizenship case, which am gonna guess has already been refiled to get around the arcane procedural issue scotus identified. 

however, for a large number o' other trump administration actions, this is a game changer.

am pressed for time, so can't give it the time it deserves, but the point is that today's 6-3 birthright citizenship decision should have no meaningful practical effect on the birthright citizenship issue.

HA! Good Fun!

ps: (quick addition) J Amy Coney Barrett messed this up whether you agree with the outcome or not. the ruling offers little in the way o' practical guidance and am predicting a multitude o' new litigation which will need to lurch back to scotus before we get answers to the numerous new questions this decision spawned. 

Edited June 27 by Gromnir

[uuuhhii]

this is not a temporary end of birth right citizenship

with a conservative supreme court

blue state will never be able to protect it for long

[rjshae]

Defense Department will stop providing crucial satellite weather data

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For more than 40 years, the Defense Department has operated satellites that collect information about conditions in the atmosphere and ocean. A group within the Navy, called the Fleet Numerical Meteorology and Oceanography Center, processes the raw data from the satellites, and turns it over to scientists and weather forecasters who use it for a wide range of purposes including real-time hurricane forecasting and measuring sea ice in polar regions.

This week, the Department of Defense announced that it would no longer provide that data, according to a notice published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

 

So, yeah, that's an actual thing now. I have no idea why they would do that. The Defense Department doesn't want to defend the country from Hurricanes? I suppose it could be related to some sort of climate change issue.

[Malcador]

Canada caved on our digital sales tax, I guess that is something we can afford to give up to spare some other tantrum.  Only issue is the Americans won't stop there, I gues

[BruceVC]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

Canada caved on our digital sales tax, I guess that is something we can afford to give up to spare some other tantrum.  Only issue is the Americans won't stop there, I gues

Whats the latest  drama on Canada getting invaded by the US or Canada becoming the next US state, I assume its all forgotten about now and Canada wont become part of the US?

[uuuhhii]

uk are more insanely pro massacre than before

guess one shouldn't be surprised since uk was the one ruined middle east the last century

[HoonDing]

Champagne socialists like Carney and Starmer always chicken out

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, uuuhhii said:

uk are more insanely pro massacre than before

guess one shouldn't be surprised since uk was the one ruined middle east the last century

We really got to do better than thinking the likes of the Balfour Declaration is the reason we have conflicts and ongoing wars in the ME or the Israeli vs Palestinian conflict 

We cant  keep blaming the British for something from over 100 years 

Every country in the ME has its own governments and national interests and they make there own decisions 

Its like blaming Colonialism for problems in Africa as if weak or ineffective leadership is not the main reason 

 

 

[uuuhhii]

that is total denial of reality

west africa still suffer from french colonization now

uk certainly didn't stop meddle with middle east after they become the minion of usa

[rjshae]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Its like blaming Colonialism for problems in Africa as if weak or ineffective leadership is not the main reason 

You can still blame colonialism for establishing borders that cause conflicts.

[Malcador]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Its like blaming Colonialism for problems in Africa as if weak or ineffective leadership is not the main reason 

If I shoot you in the knees, your marathon career later will be impacted.  It isn't a simple thing, and not one thing is to blame for any nation being where it is,  but hard to deny the knock on effects of colonialism, Africa being a Cold War battlefield.  Belgium for example, has a lot to answer for.

[BruceVC]

36 minutes ago, rjshae said:

You can still blame colonialism for establishing borders that cause conflicts.

African borders were created by Europeans in 1884   and in most cases the borders included tribes that already lived in that region, in South Africa we have no  real  examples of a  tribe being split from its historical region because our borders include vast areas. Zulus for example  settled in Kwa-Zulu Natal long before Europeans came to Africa and the creation of borders in  1884 didnt create any problems for them around there tribal territory 

That reality is the same throughout Africa, there are some examples of borders creating a split in tribes but thats not a main  reason for Tribal tension because tribal wars have occurred in Africa like most parts of the world for thousands of years. Its the nature of mankind for tribes, clans and different ethnic groups to fight each other for survival and territorial gain . Borders didnt create that. Another example of this is European  Germanic tribes, Scottish Clans  or Native American  tribes  fighting each other

And then there are many African countries where there no tribal conflicts or tensions outside of normal rivalry and they are also defined by the same 1884 borders

Then what would be the solution if everyone really believed African borders were the reason for conflicts, its not like anyone is going to abandon borders in Africa because that will just create a myriad of worse and additional problems 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Malcador said:

If I shoot you in the knees, your marathon career later will be impacted.  It isn't a simple thing, and not one thing is to blame for any nation being where it is,  but hard to deny the knock on effects of colonialism, Africa being a Cold War battlefield.  Belgium for example, has a lot to answer for.

But again there are many African countries that went through the same Colonialism as the rest of Africa and yet the governments deliver services, economic growth and you dont see mass illegal migration of its citizens 

If Colonialism was really the main reason for Africa's problems then surly all African countries would be in the same boat?

Colonialism is a factor but its not the main reason for the problems in Africa 

The single  consistent and main problem in any weak or impoverished African country  is ineffective  leadership and that creates other problems like corruption or inefficiency in the public sector and how the country is governed or run 

 

 

 

 

 

[Malcador]

10 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

If Colonialism was really the main reason for Africa's problems then surly all African countries would be in the same boat?

Didn't write that it was. But I see Americans and Anglos take a binary approach to it so often, for a pretty obvious reason.  Same with 'analysis' of Haitian history.

[Zoraptor]

How can you blame countries for colonising places, deliberately favouring one ethnicity over another as a matter of policy, drawing up borders that force those two ethnicities that now hate each other together and insisting that those borders are Sacrosanct (except when we don't like them any more) and have to be respected? How can you blame them for bribing their leaders to make decisions against their nations' interests? Reminder, quite apart from the execrable Belgian colonial conduct in the Congo every single IMF/ WB loan to Zaire and policies demanded from them resulted in a worse position for Zaire and Zaireans. That didn't end with Mobutu and the country's name change either. The mess the DRC is in now has a direct line to western colonialism of the C21st variety. See also every single western intervention in the ME. At some point you have to accept that it isn't all good intentions going wrong when it goers wrong so very consistently; it's deliberate policy.

I mean, getting money/ apologies out of Germany for genociding the Herero and Nama was like drawing blood from a stone and didn't address any of the ongoing grievances; it was more of a billion dollar bung to the ruling class to Just Shut Up. Then they acritically support Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and flagrant land grabs, showing how much they really hate colonialism.

As for Starmer, that watermelon salesman, he deserves not just my shoe but everyone's. Enlightened Centrists are without exception embarrassments at best but he manages to take it all a step further than any other of those cringe artists. You just knew the UK would start abusing badly written anti terror laws- after all they've gone after noted radicals and rabble rousers, uh, Iceland with them before- it is after all their purpose. Blowing up tens of thousands of women and children and having an active policy of starvation plus ordering your troops to shoot indiscriminately is OK but painting some warplanes is terrorism. So is being mean to the IDF or Israel because of it. It'd be pathetic, if it wasn't a blueprint from 1984.

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

How can you blame countries for colonising places, deliberately favouring one ethnicity over another as a matter of policy, drawing up borders that force those two ethnicities that now hate each other together and insisting that those borders are Sacrosanct (except when we don't like them any more) and have to be respected? How can you blame them for bribing their leaders to make decisions against their nations' interests? Reminder, quite apart from the execrable Belgian colonial conduct in the Congo every single IMF/ WB loan to Zaire and policies demanded from them resulted in a worse position for Zaire and Zaireans. That didn't end with Mobutu and the country's name change either. The mess the DRC is in now has a direct line to western colonialism of the C21st variety. See also every single western intervention in the ME. At some point you have to accept that it isn't all good intentions going wrong when it goers wrong so very consistently; it's deliberate policy.

I mean, getting money/ apologies out of Germany for genociding the Herero and Nama was like drawing blood from a stone and didn't address any of the ongoing grievances; it was more of a billion dollar bung to the ruling class to Just Shut Up. Then they acritically support Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and flagrant land grabs, showing how much they really hate colonialism.

As for Starmer, that watermelon salesman, he deserves not just my shoe but everyone's. Enlightened Centrists are without exception embarrassments at best but he manages to take it all a step further than any other of those cringe artists. You just knew the UK would start abusing badly written anti terror laws- after all they've gone after noted radicals and rabble rousers, uh, Iceland with them before- it is after all their purpose. Blowing up tens of thousands of women and children and having an active policy of starvation plus ordering your troops to shoot indiscriminately is OK but painting some warplanes is terrorism. So is being mean to the IDF or Israel because of it. It'd be pathetic, if it wasn't a blueprint from 1984.

Thats  not the main  point Im making about Africa 

 

No one is suggesting that Colonialism during its 400 years didnt have examples of injustice and abuse of colonies. And it was never a sustainable system which is why it had to end

Thats not the debate 

The point is Colonialism for 85% of African countries ended over 50 years ago  and almost all the current problems in Africa are not because of Colonialism

And you giving a good example of my point with Namibia, its considered a stable and well run African country. The genocide of the Herero was over 110 years ago  but the government of Namibia is not using the expectation of reparations as as excuse to not run the country efficiently. Because that is not going to make any difference to its own responsibility as a current government 

 

[Malcador]

Back home the British used to play the Indians and Black people against each other, to this day it still causes problems in the country.  Luckily nothing near race wars, but the politics are still divisive.  Hatreds have a long tail.

 

[HoonDing]

"Why are poor countries poor after stealing trillions of their wealth and crippling their population?"

[rjshae]

President Trump says he'll 'have to take a look' at deporting Elon Musk as feud reignites

Looks like DJT will need a bigger bus to throw Musk under it. How could Musk not see this coming? Too much ketamine, I suppose.

[Malcador]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/07/01/powell-confirms-that-the-fed-would-have-cut-by-now-were-it-not-for-tariffs.html

"When asked during a panel if the Fed would have lowered rates again this year had Trump not announced his controversial plan to impose higher levies on imported goods earlier this year, Powell said, "I think that's right.""

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

Back home the British used to play the Indians and Black people against each other, to this day it still causes problems in the country.  Luckily nothing near race wars, but the politics are still divisive.  Hatreds have a long tail.

 

I know very little about Caribbean Colonialism and its history but these types of stories interest me

If you can find a generalized link around this development  and post it I would appreciate it 

Its good to learn new things around history 

[BruceVC]

36 minutes ago, rjshae said:

President Trump says he'll 'have to take a look' at deporting Elon Musk as feud reignites

Looks like DJT will need a bigger bus to throw Musk under it. How could Musk not see this coming? Too much ketamine, I suppose.

Isnt Musk a US citizen, can Trump even do  that 

 

Musk is not popular in South Africa and he doesnt like SA anyway so I cant imagine him living here 

[Elerond]

23 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Isnt Musk a US citizen, can Trump even do  that 

 

Musk is not popular in South Africa and he doesnt like SA anyway so I cant imagine him living here 

Current governance has already deported US citizens without any court procedures. So I would say he can do it, as no one will prevent it even if it is illegal

[uuuhhii]

usa are passing their idiotic 4 trillion tax cut bill

most people should consider this level of self destructive tendency from the nation with second largest nuclear arsenal and highest military budget extremely concerning