Lexx Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 At current time I'm not aware of a terror attack from the past years where our european police tortured / mutilated the bodies of culprits. Of course I'm willing to learn, so if you have examples of such, go ahead. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) Oddly specific request, but that's how Blue Team does it, and if you're going to do it, that's the best way. Is interesting seeing people bounce around to saying it's just like the 1999 apartment bombings and this is a false flag, to it being really IS-K. Given the US statement think that'd be it. Russian still running with Ukraine. Would be interesting to see how things would play out if it were Ukraine, just as a thought experiment Edited March 23 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) Like I said before, it makes no sense to be a false-flag attack. What would Russia gain from it that they can't just do right now anyways? Situation is completely different now from the apartment bombings back in the days. And for Ukraine... attacking civilians in a theater? Why? This wouldn't win their war. At best it means nothing, at worst it would give them less western support. Makes no sense. Considering russia has and still is pissing off various islamic factions, it makes the most sense for them to try to go for it while they can. So yeah... Occam's razor yadda-yadda. Edited March 24 by Lexx 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Lexx said: Like I said before, it makes no sense to be a false-flag attack. What would Russia gain from it that they can't just do right now anyways? Situation is completely different now from the apartment bombings back in the days. And for Ukraine... attacking civilians in a theater? Why? This wouldn't win their war. At best it means nothing, at worst it would give them less western support. Makes no sense. Considering russia has and still is pissing off various islamic factions, it makes the most sense for them to try to go for it while they can. So yeah... Occam's razor yadda-yadda. Apparently is to excuse mobilization. Although, given Russia has national conscription and they do it in the spring, wonder if that is just the cohort of conscripts. If Ukraine were to get collectively high and decide to facilitate this, I guess the thought might be to just cause pain and distraction for Russia. Definitely is a level of dumb higher than Dugina or vaping a truck driver to damage Kerch, but as I said is a funny thought experiment. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 4 hours ago, Lexx said: Like I said before, it makes no sense to be a false-flag attack. What would Russia gain from it that they can't just do right now anyways? Situation is completely different now from the apartment bombings back in the days. And for Ukraine... attacking civilians in a theater? Why? This wouldn't win their war. At best it means nothing, at worst it would give them less western support. Makes no sense. Considering russia has and still is pissing off various islamic factions, it makes the most sense for them to try to go for it while they can. So yeah... Occam's razor yadda-yadda. Exactly, its almost guaranteed to be ISIS and they have released another video claiming responsibility The denialism and attempts to not accept its ISIS has surprised me, Vatniks on Codex are peddling various false narratives and someone mentioned its because " only the US and its allies get attacked by Islamic extremists for meddling in the ME " So I guess that could be the reason we seeing this strange attempt to not believe the obvious culprits responsible? Its not like its the first time Russia has been attacked and it wont be the last, remember the Russian plane that was blown up leaving Egypt https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687990 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) The issue with the ISIS claim is that the attackers clearly aren't the usual Salafi nutbars. No suicide vests or fight to the death, at either point; no takbirs ('allahu akbar'); non halal beards/ clean shaven- indeed, seemingly wearing fake beards for the attack of all things- and they were definitively heading for Ukraine. Which was moronic since that's the most monitored border Russia has, as was not swapping cars or taking even the most rudimentary steps to avoid capture, but... there's effectively no doubt it was them. They may just have been dumb enough to do it for 10000 dollars promised by some random on telegram. Edited March 24 by Zoraptor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 33 minutes ago, Zoraptor said: The issue with the ISIS claim is that the attackers clearly aren't the usual Salafi nutbars. No suicide vests or fight to the death, at either point; no takbirs ('allahu akbar'); non halal beards/ clean shaven- indeed, seemingly wearing fake beards for the attack of all things- and they were definitively heading for Ukraine. Which was moronic since that's the most monitored border Russia has, as was not swapping cars or taking even the most rudimentary steps to avoid capture, but... there's effectively no doubt it was them. They may just have been dumb enough to do it for 10000 dollars promised by some random on telegram. But ISIS has several affiliated groups and they dont all fight to the death When the ISIS Caliphate in the ME was finally destroyed in 2018 there were several hundred ISIS militants who surrendered. Interestingly enough they were mostly the "Western " ISIS fighters from EU countries and not from countries like Chechnya I remember reading an article about an Iraqi Sunni women who lived under ISIS occupation in Mosul and she specifically mentioned how the worst atrocities and drug usage was done generally by ISIS members from Western countries and not foreign fighters from the ME and other places Remember this guy from the UK, "Jihadi John " https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/uk-man-behind-isis-beheadings-named-as-mohammed-emwazi-jihadi-john "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 10 hours ago, Lexx said: Like I said before, it makes no sense to be a false-flag attack. What would Russia gain from it that they can't just do right now anyways? Situation is completely different now from the apartment bombings back in the days. And for Ukraine... attacking civilians in a theater? Why? This wouldn't win their war. At best it means nothing, at worst it would give them less western support. Makes no sense. Considering russia has and still is pissing off various islamic factions, it makes the most sense for them to try to go for it while they can. So yeah... Occam's razor yadda-yadda. If they want to form the two above mentioned armies, as Shoigu said, they need to mobilize people from original muscovite regions as well, as they are running out of non-slavic "economic slaves", and they do not want to risk revolt. Some dead "pure russians" would lean the population to be more acceptable to general mobilization. Similar thing happened in Beslan school very shortly before their previous SMO. The FSB rhetorics about the involvement of Ukraine in the attack is already pushed out hard. Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-missile-airspace-violation-c9d2511f169e9f80a08082726c118114 Usual jackasses on Twitter are mashing the Article 5 button no doubt. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzar_monty Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I suppose the bottom line is that no matter who did it it, Ukraine is going to get the blame and the revenge, as far as Russia is concerned. I can't see how it could be any other way. (And yes, it almost certainly was islamists by whatever name they wish to be called.) As much as what happened was ISIS' modus operandi, blaming Ukraine is Russia's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 49 minutes ago, xzar_monty said: I suppose the bottom line is that no matter who did it it, Ukraine is going to get the blame and the revenge, as far as Russia is concerned. I can't see how it could be any other way. (And yes, it almost certainly was islamists by whatever name they wish to be called.) As much as what happened was ISIS' modus operandi, blaming Ukraine is Russia's. I think it really does matter around who did it and this will influence the Russian response What I am finding hilarious on Codex is the amount of cope and attempts to dismiss the obvious candidates which is ISIS-K and the strange reasoning for this false narrative There are many anti-US\West commentators who support terrorist attacks on US interests because " the US is an imperialist power and it keeps meddling in the ME so it deserves to be attacked " And of course these same people don't consider Russia to be an imperial power that doesn't " meddle " so they don't want to accept that Russia is an active target for groups like ISIS for several reasons that include Russia current involvement in the Syrian war which is the same " meddling " the US has done in the ME The reality of groups like ISIS is they have a wide range of possible targets and countries and no one is really safe from perverse and anachronistic ideological views 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I find it already troubling that you read this crap on the Codex at all. To me this is just the ultimate form of brain rot and I'm sure as hell not going out of my way to get into it. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzar_monty Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 15 minutes ago, Lexx said: I find it already troubling that you read this crap on the Codex at all. To me this is just the ultimate form of brain rot and I'm sure as hell not going out of my way to get into it. I was going to say essentially the same thing. I can't think of any reason to pay any attention to something like the Codex at all, and even to comment upon is a waste of time (and yes, I do recognize that this comment, by extension, is a similar waste of time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Why bring up what's going on at other forums at all? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 We really should check with Ja Rule. 3 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Lexx said: I find it already troubling that you read this crap on the Codex at all. To me this is just the ultimate form of brain rot and I'm sure as hell not going out of my way to get into it. Its no different to anyone who uses numerous SM sources to debate and share information Some good points get made on Codex and some utter nonsense gets spoken But thats just the political debates and I only follow 2-3. Its a very good source of gaming information as you know "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, xzar_monty said: I was going to say essentially the same thing. I can't think of any reason to pay any attention to something like the Codex at all, and even to comment upon is a waste of time (and yes, I do recognize that this comment, by extension, is a similar waste of time). Codex is not an echo-chamber and they have relaxed moderator rules I have realized its good to be exposed to different opinions especially because I dont use SM as a news source But its a very active and busy forum and I like that. But you cant engage in political debates on Codex and get offended because thats what some people will intentionally try to do once they know your views 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Ah theres your problem. Dont you know that if another persons views dont align with yours, they are wrong. They are also probably nazi leaning. Internet debating 101. 1 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 12 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Ah theres your problem. Dont you know that if another persons views dont align with yours, they are wrong. They are also probably nazi leaning. Internet debating 101. Nazi or Fascist leanings, it will be one or the other "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 13 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Ah theres your problem. Dont you know that if another persons views dont align with yours, they are wrong. They are also probably nazi leaning. Internet debating 101. Not to continue the tangent but on the Codex, they may very well be Nazis. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, Malcador said: Not to continue the tangent but on the Codex, they may very well be Nazis. Well there are people who claim to support Neo-Nazi ideology but they are a tiny group, maybe 6-7 people? The Ukraine thread has about 40 active people so they not a big factor Codex does have extreme political views but its from the left and right. But it also has normal opinions and more centralist views which is where I place myself more or less but I always support basic human rights over anything else If you take the US definition of left and right politics I support both the Dems and GOP around different policies 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 50 minutes ago, BruceVC said: If you take the US definition of left and right politics I support both the Dems and GOP around different policies Uh oh, now youre wrong with me. Id rather see Trump take a long walk off a short pier than get elected again. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 40 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Uh oh, now youre wrong with me. Id rather see Trump take a long walk off a short pier than get elected again. I also dont want to see Trump elected again but there are several reasons he might win For me I respect the outcomes in any free and fair election, I may not be happy with the result but I respect it. We also have our national elections this year in May. Its the first time since 1994 that there is a chance the ANC will get less than 50% so it will be a very interesting election "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 8 hours ago, xzar_monty said: I suppose the bottom line is that no matter who did it it, Ukraine is going to get the blame and the revenge, as far as Russia is concerned. I can't see how it could be any other way. (And yes, it almost certainly was islamists by whatever name they wish to be called.) As much as what happened was ISIS' modus operandi, blaming Ukraine is Russia's. The ISIS "officials" has already responded to the Russian videos of torture. They have announced they will avenge their "warriors" and will be going after Russian officials, as they view them as "anti-muslim nationalists". From the historic point of view, it will interesting to see how the Russia will fight against enemy, which has as much disregard for human life, as they do. Especially, when 80+% of their forces are currently in Ukraine and their borders have more holes than a collection of Swiss cheese. 2 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Gfted1 said: Ah theres your problem. Dont you know that if another persons views dont align with yours, they are wrong. They are also probably nazi leaning. Internet debating 101. There is a difference between having a different opinion and spewing ultimate brain rot like codex or /pol does. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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