Guest Michael Chu Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 I can't speak for everyone on the team, but personally, everything I've put into KotOR2 so far has been based off of a very eventful weekend I had in 1996. Please, indulge us... You'll just have to PAFO like everyone else that wasn't involved.
Nartwak Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Indalecio- Of those only Michael Chu has an avatar. Your browser, it seems, hates Michael Chu.
Seth Tansill Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Indalecio-Of those only Michael Chu has an avatar. Your browser, it seems, hates Michael Chu. *Hangs head in shame*
Nartwak Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Don't worry. You'll be awarded an unique avatar when you reach 100 posts. /Lie
DemonKing Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 I can't speak for everyone on the team, but personally, everything I've put into KotOR2 so far has been based off of a very eventful weekend I had in 1996. Please, indulge us... You'll just have to PAFO like everyone else that wasn't involved. So was anyone else involved or was this a "solo" experience Michael? Actually that could be a viable "romance" option if all the NPCs are annoying prats...frankly I would prefer it if you didn't waste time on lame romances and improved the combat, character development, inventory management and other important stuff...
Nartwak Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Too bad romance falls under character development f***tard.
LostStraw Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Too bad romance falls under character development f***tard. And the discusion was going so nice too... I figure the character development he's referring to doesn't include romances. I can't blame him as romances aren't everyones cup of tea (especially lame ones).
Nartwak Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 I've no quibble with that. It's his prerogative to dislike them.
mkreku Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 May I suggest we put Chris Avellone alone in a room with a hot Swedish exchange student for a weekend, record all dialog between them, and then put it directly into the game substituting all mention of Abba" with "Jedi", Stockholm with "Tatooine" and America with "Death Star". Uh, I'm not so sure this is a great idea. I can imagine the dialogue going something like this: "I am a free woman! Don't even think about touching me you male chauvinist pig! Women are strong! Down with porn! Down with men! Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
LostStraw Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 May I suggest we put Chris Avellone alone in a room with a hot Swedish exchange student for a weekend, record all dialog between them, and then put it directly into the game substituting all mention of Abba" with "Jedi", Stockholm with "Tatooine" and America with "Death Star". Uh, I'm not so sure this is a great idea. I can imagine the dialogue going something like this: "I am a free woman! Don't even think about touching me you male chauvinist pig! Women are strong! Down with porn! Down with men!
Ivan the Terrible Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 So all those movies I watched are wrong? I bet most of 'em aren't even Blonde. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
DemonKing Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Too bad romance falls under character development f***tard. Charming, but by character development I meant the gradual accrual of skills, experience, powers, dark/light side specific rewards, equipment etc. I think the development time invested in romances would better be spent elsewhere, as very few players get to experience every romance in-game. For example, with my first run through KOTOR I had a female character but I refused to romance Carth as he annoyed the hell out of me, so all that development time was a waste, at least in my case. The only vaguely satisfying in-game romance I've had was with Viconia in BG2 when I was playing a LE necromancer and I couldn't deny that given my character concept (and the opportunity), he wouldn't hesitate to bonk a hot, evil, drow chick...but frankly I don't play CRPGs to "get my pixels on" with in-game characters - I wish they'd leave that to the sad sods playing the Sims . (Also apologies to the Swedish guy for the Swedish stereotyping - but coming from Australia and living in continental Europe I also get a lot of people expecting me to be just like the crocodile hunter, so take solace that you aren't the only nation to suffer unfortunate stereotyping!).
mkreku Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 So all those movies I watched are wrong? I bet most of 'em aren't even Blonde. Actually, most of them are blonde. And pretty. And eeeevul! Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
Maria Caliban Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 DemonKing: "...but frankly I don't play CRPGs to "get my pixels on" with in-game characters - I wish they'd leave that to the sad sods playing the Sims ." I've always wondered why everyone is mortified by the idea that people might be turned on by characters in a computer game. Especially as gaming companies, and most entertainment mediums, obviously don't always appeal to ascetical interests with their depiction of females. Lara Croft being the most well known example. "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
DemonKing Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 I've always wondered why everyone is mortified by the idea that people might be turned on by characters in a computer game. I'm not mortified - it's just not the reason why I play computer games...IRL I can have relationships with annoying people if I want, but I can't hack up monsters with a +2 Longsword, blow away nazis with a Thompson SMG, or lead the GLA against the imperialistic might of the USA. I guess if your main relationship in life is with your computer then you might appreciate the ability to have romances on-screen but it just does nothing for me...I play computer games to do things I could never do IRL.
Nartwak Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 Charming, but by character development I meant the gradual accrual of skills, experience, powers, dark/light side specific rewards, equipment etc. Oh. So in other words you mean kewl l00t, and not, like, development of the characters. Maybe you should try another genre, dips***. I play computer games to do things I could never do IRL. Wow. That's one profound cop-out for a complete lack of imagination.
Adria Teksuni Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 Not to add fuel to the flames, but, accrual of experience, etc, is not character development, that's character stats and information. Two different animals. Character development is the building of a personality with a believeable background to set up that individual's motivations, moods, and dialogue style. *Adria, victim of too many creative writing classes, hides in the shadows* Never assume malice when stupidity is to blame.
DemonKing Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 Oh. So in other words you mean kewl l00t, and not, like, development of the characters. Maybe you should try another genre, dips***. PHAT LOOT is only part of what I'm talking about - the accrual of equipment, stat improvement, skills, powers, reputations etc are part and parcel of any good computer CRPG in my opinion, as they give the player incentive to continue and a feeling off achievement. Getting it on with Carth or Annomen doesn't give me any sense of development/achievement - but if it works for you...well whatever turns you on. :D Not to add fuel to the flames, but, accrual of experience, etc, is not character development, that's character stats and information. Two different animals. Unfortunately in a computer role-playing game, the development of this ephemeral part of the character is very difficult to realise, which is why there is such a strong emphasis on the more material sides of character development. I admit that in a tabletop RPG the kind of development you are talking about is easier to achieve. Wow. That's one profound cop-out for a complete lack of imagination. So you're saying that if I just imagine hard enough, I really could kill orcs, shoot Nazis and bring down America with my extremist bretheren? Sorry - I know my limitations a bit better than that! And as you've proved with your enlightened and well-argued points, it's comparitively easy to interact with annoying people IRL, so why force them on us in a computer game?
Nartwak Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 "In America, only the successful writer is important, in France all writers are important, in England no writer is important, and in Australia you have to explain what a writer is." - Geoffrey Cottrell
Adria Teksuni Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 Unfortunately in a computer role-playing game, the development of this ephemeral part of the character is very difficult to realise, which is why there is such a strong emphasis on the more material sides of character development. I admit that in a tabletop RPG the kind of development you are talking about is easier to achieve. Okay, cool. Still, I'd rather see some serious pnp type character development in KoTOR 2 than just more stuff, personally. Stuff gets boring after a while, but a good character can interest you for a very long time. They touched on it with Bastila, Carth, and even Yuthura Ban in KoTOR, and even the Candyman had his moments. Hopefully Obsidian will be able to deliver better development bang for the gaming buck, as they don't have the building of a new engine to deal with. Still, they did a good job with Nameless One in PS:T, I thought, so again, I'm not too worried. Never assume malice when stupidity is to blame.
Darth Jebus Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 they're gonna have to start marking some of these forums with a "you must be 18 or older" disclaimer to enter. It appears the thread is Thailand slaves, hookers, transvestites, and soft porn. Which can be utterly fascinating in it's own rite.
Maria Caliban Posted June 5, 2004 Posted June 5, 2004 DemonKing: " I guess if your main relationship in life is with your computer then you might appreciate the ability to have romances on-screen but it just does nothing for me...I play computer games to do things I could never do IRL." That's a bit like suggesting that only people whose main relationship in life is with books or movies can appreciate romances in books and movies. I'm glad you're so enthusiastic about the aspects of games that you like but there's no need to insult those who enjoy other aspects. "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN Posted June 5, 2004 Posted June 5, 2004 "In America, only the successful writer is important, in France all writers are important, in England no writer is important, and in Australia you have to explain what a writer is." - Geoffrey Cottrell What about in Canada? *Sits back and waits for some flames*
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