Also gorgon Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) ^^ I picked my new phone solely on battery life, figuring that everything else would be just fine. It was. The main way Nvidia are lying to us this time around is with multi frame generation. It's for high refresh rate monitors, like 240 hrz and beyond. in those cases it unlocks what the screen can do and looks very smooth and it's arguable worth the sacrifice. In other cases it just introduces input lag. Number goes up, gameplay goes down, and you are better off with single frame generation or none. Edited February 1 by Also gorgon
LadyCrimson Posted February 1 Posted February 1 ^ Like I said, mostly selling software/AI. I'm hearing mixed things about the DLSS 4 backport, even with whitelisted games. Although that's probably a game to game thing (whether it's "better", same, worse). And maybe patched drivers would solve some. The override function seems attached to Nvidia App, although you may be able to use Inspector and other such to force it outside of that, and/or for some not-whitelisted games. Anyone tried it? “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Azdeus Posted February 1 Posted February 1 9 hours ago, Also gorgon said: ^^ I picked my new phone solely on battery life, figuring that everything else would be just fine. It was. The main way Nvidia are lying to us this time around is with multi frame generation. It's for high refresh rate monitors, like 240 hrz and beyond. in those cases it unlocks what the screen can do and looks very smooth and it's arguable worth the sacrifice. In other cases it just introduces input lag. Number goes up, gameplay goes down, and you are better off with single frame generation or none. They're also lying about the tier of cards, the 5080 really is what used to be a xx70 series card, and the 5070 a xx60 class if you look at how cut down they are. Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
Zoraptor Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Ironically that was one area where nVidia was far more consumer friendly than AMD- though of course they had the advantage of being the dominant vendor. Going right back to the 400/500 series AMD really ought to have had _70 top end number cards rather than _80. Though they've seemingly fixed it this gen as the 9070 supposedly has more CUs (/WGPs) than my 7800XT. (At least the 7800XT had ~mid tier pricing by the time I bought it)
Sven_ Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) On 2/2/2025 at 4:14 AM, Zoraptor said: Ironically that was one area where nVidia was far more consumer friendly than AMD- though of course they had the advantage of being the dominant vendor. Going right back to the 400/500 series AMD really ought to have had _70 top end number cards rather than _80. In my price range (which is still double of what it used to be for decades), AMD are just as much of a compromise. That's why I have the RTX 3060 now, with 12GB and full 16 PCIe lanes (still on a PCIe 3.0 AM4 board). AMD took the RX 6600 and pitted it against that 1:1 (8GB, 8 lanes). The MSRP for the RX 6600 was even slightly higher... The RX 7600 as an overall package is inferior to the RTX 4060 as well. Really curious about the next wave of entry level cards. If AMD's not taking advantage of a RTX 5060 with 8GB in 2025, their loss. And if the RTX 5060 also sees minimal performance gains, an RTX 3060 Ti may still reign supreme over all of them, half a decade later. Take a look at Steam survey, GPU bestsellers on Amazon, Newegg and what kind of cards are in "affordable" gaming PCs people can buy and plug in and play... Edited February 4 by Sven_
JadedWolf Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Nvidia having problems again with toasty connectors. If I were one of the 10 people with a 5090, this would definitely worry me. I hear some people are already saying you should underclock your card. Imagine paying that sort of money for a GPU, and then having to underclock it for fear of the connection combusting... 1 Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.
LadyCrimson Posted February 13 Posted February 13 And that's why I never like to be the one to stand in line to get first-day new gen cards. There are apparently always enough willing to be "beta testers" that I don't need to be one. Wait a year works for me. If only that worked for the prices these days, too. Ha. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Azdeus Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, LadyCrimson said: And that's why I never like to be the one to stand in line to get first-day new gen cards. There are apparently always enough willing to be "beta testers" that I don't need to be one. Wait a year works for me. If only that worked for the prices these days, too. Ha. From what people say though, the 50-series isn't getting that problem fixed soon, since they've designed the power connection badly 1 1 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
LadyCrimson Posted February 13 Posted February 13 More reason to wait for next generation (any gpu brand). Or never play any new games, forever. I don't think all of this re: gpu/performance value/cost/AI-upscaling reliance stuff (not just nvidia related) is going to get any better any time soon. Oh well. I'm just an ossified old fart, what do I know. 1 “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Also gorgon Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) Kingdom come deliverance is Cryengine, and it looks great at mid-high settings at 1440p 60fps. No stuttering, no upscaling, no ray tracing, on the GOAT. the Gtx1080. 9 years old and still doing it. I think we are at a point where the graphics feature arms race is turning out to be quite detrimental to the overall experience, unless you are willing to pay an absurd amount of money you will be left wanting. They keep adding features that cancel out generational performance improvements and are themselves not as desirable as a stable framerate and frame time graph. Edited February 15 by Also gorgon 2
Sven_ Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 11:11 PM, LadyCrimson said: More reason to wait for next generation (any gpu brand). Or never play any new games, forever. I don't think all of this re: gpu/performance value/cost/AI-upscaling reliance stuff (not just nvidia related) is going to get any better any time soon. Oh well. I'm just an ossified old fart, what do I know. Outside of bad ports: If you have a decent one, it should last until the PS6 generation (and the first exclusive games for it, which considering modern dev cycles takes another couple years). Consoles are running the show. And since AMD are behind in terms of GPU power, it will be interesting how those PS6 generations and their APUs are gonna look like... There's people still running Pascal series GPUs to this day. Wouldn't surprise me if Ada L. + Blackwell are gonna last even longer. That is, for those who don't need to be on the cutting edge of hardware. After all, Nvidia is also promoting those shiny new 1,000 Hz screens for probably reason. A thousand FPS, lol! UltimaIX-StartSave_1024x768x16bpp.png (660×871) Edited February 15 by Sven_
Also gorgon Posted February 15 Posted February 15 5 hours ago, Sven_ said: Outside of bad ports: If you have a decent one, it should last until the PS6 generation (and the first exclusive games for it, which considering modern dev cycles takes another couple years). Consoles are running the show. And since AMD are behind in terms of GPU power, it will be interesting how those PS6 generations and their APUs are gonna look like... There's people still running Pascal series GPUs to this day. Wouldn't surprise me if Ada L. + Blackwell are gonna last even longer. That is, for those who don't need to be on the cutting edge of hardware. After all, Nvidia is also promoting those shiny new 1,000 Hz screens for probably reason. A thousand FPS, lol! UltimaIX-StartSave_1024x768x16bpp.png (660×871) Lmao. Well they couldn't go 8 or 16k just yet. 1
majestic Posted February 25 Posted February 25 TL;DW: RTX 5000 cards will randomly be missing rendering pipelines. Kills ~5% performance (or maybe more), so if you happen to get an affected 5070 TI, it's basically a 4070 TI Super in terms of performance. Good job nVidia. Ey, Intel, where's the B770/780? Hurry up. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
LadyCrimson Posted February 25 Posted February 25 So, don't buy 50xx, period. Got it. Glad I was able to fix my PC earlier. 60xx (or whatever other brand) generation here I come! “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Bokishi Posted February 25 Author Posted February 25 Not sure if even 60xx will save us at this point, everything probably going to be a cloud ai solution next, hope i'm wrong Current 3DMark
majestic Posted February 25 Posted February 25 25 minutes ago, Also gorgon said: Radeon 90 series ? AMD already said in their own marketing materials that it's just going to compete with the RTX 4070 TI (Super), so that's a bust right out of the gate, unless it also has 4070 TI Super levels of RT performance. Which seems rather unlikely. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Zoraptor Posted February 25 Posted February 25 Bad time for AMD to have gone back to their 5000 style product line. You'd think they'd have some x2/ chiplet designs despite the teething troubles 7000 series had with them that they could trot out if they had to. Very unfortunate for all the nVidia fans who were hoping for AMD to be competitive so they could buy a cheaper nVidia card. 1 1
Azdeus Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Zoraptor said: Bad time for AMD to have gone back to their 5000 style product line. You'd think they'd have some x2/ chiplet designs despite the teething troubles 7000 series had with them that they could trot out if they had to. Very unfortunate for all the nVidia fans who were hoping for AMD to be competitive so they could buy a cheaper nVidia card. I mean, it doesn't really matter what AMD pulls out, or prices it. People don't consider AMD, and even if the 50 series is cack, people will buy it like it's crack. I think that AMD is likely going to undercut nvidia by 50-100 bucks, like last time. AMD fans will buy their stuff, the rest will continue to buy nvidia Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
Sven_ Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) I'm genuinelly asking how this stuff actually sells units. This is product that's not even needed. For years. If companies would have discovered thirty years ago that they can just milk it, PC gaming would be an absolutely tiny niche by now, moreso than it ever used to be in the 1980s. And Commodore were probably still around, offering the affordable multimedia/graphics machines for the masses. Back when 3d cards first appeared, 3dfx started with the mission to bring affordable Silicon Graphics quality to home PCs. Given that this is barely about gaming product anymore anyway... maybe that's the answer to my question. Edited February 26 by Sven_
LadyCrimson Posted February 26 Posted February 26 On 2/25/2025 at 10:23 AM, Bokishi said: Not sure if even 60xx will save us at this point, everything probably going to be a cloud ai solution next, hope i'm wrong Bokishi saying something like this makes me feel like the sky has fallen. And good lord, everything going to cloud ai or something. Hopefully I'll be dead by then. But it's feeling more and more like maybe I won't be. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
majestic Posted Tuesday at 09:06 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:06 PM TL;DW: Ballpark of the usual 10-30% faster than the not-super 4070, in line with, well, every other nVidia release this generation. Steve's insinuations throughout the video would put AMD's 9070 XT somewhere in the ballpark of the 9700 XT, right where I "extrapolated" (lol) it to be from AMD's marketing claims. Which, assuming it is available for the MSRP and doesn't die whenever you turn on RT, might be decent value compared to the 5070 TI, but probably not good enough to dissuade anyone from buying nVidia. 2 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Zoraptor Posted Tuesday at 09:20 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:20 PM May depend a lot on availability too, can't buy a nVidia card if there aren't any for sale. Obviously all rumours, but 9070 is meant to have decent supply due to it originally being slated for a January launch while nVidia's launch numbers are not meant to be great, again. The negative talk about the 5000 series also seems to have resonated rather more than some of nVidia's other prior issues.
JadedWolf Posted Tuesday at 10:20 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:20 PM Yeah, 5070 reviews aren't that great, across the board. Not that it will keep Jensen Huang awake at night. Consumer graphic cards are an afterthought for Nvidia these days, anyways. Here's hoping tomorrow's launch will throw a big enough pebble in the water to stir things up. Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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