thundercleese Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) ------------------------------- The Furry Ravager ------------------------------- Difficulty = PotD v. 2.0 ------------------------------- Solo: Possible, needs more testing ------------------------------- Class: Helwalker / Berserker ------------------------------- Race: Hearth Orlan ------------------------------- Background: Deadfire/The White that Wends ------------------------------- Base stats: Priority goes PER > DEX > MIG MIG: 15 (17) CON: 8 (10) DEX: 18 (20) PER: 20 (22) INT: 8 (10) RES: 8 (10) I took Effigy: Devil of Caroc, but take whatever you like for that. Skills: Whatever you want really. I like to have a moderate Athletics and set my AI to use when near death. Points in alchemy if you wanna use drugs. Passives I like to spread them around, but if you plan to use Giftbearer’s then pump History. Abilities: Lvl 1 – Frenzy/Swift Strikes Lvl 2 – Lesser Wounds Lvl 3 – Blooded Lvl 4 – Thick Skinned/Two Weapon Style Lvl 5 – Barbaric Blow Lvl 6 – Long Stride OR Wilder Hunter Lvl 7 – Blood Lust*/Swift Flurry* Lvl 8 – One Stands Alone* Lvl 9 – Bloody Slaughter* Lvl 10 – Bloody Frenzy*/Duality of Mortal Presence Lvl 11 – Wild Sprint Lvl 12 – Stunning Blow Lvl 13 – Barbaric Smash/Stunning Surge Lvl 14 – Enervating Blows OR Interrupting Blows* Lvl 15 – The Long Pain Lvl 16 – Lion’s Sprint/Turning Wheel Lvl 17 – Brute Force Lvl 18 – Improved Critical Lvl 19 – Blood Thirst/Heartbeat Drumming Lvl 20 – Instruments of Pain **Levels 7-9 can be taken in any order, though this is the order I took them in. **You can take Lightning Strikes then respec to Swift Flurry later, if you feel you aren’t critting enough early on. **Spirit Frenzy can be taken at lvl 10, however stun overrides staggered. Also if you use a rogue tank for persistent distraction, this will remove it so bear that in mind. **I'm undecided on which is better out of Interrupting/Enervating Blows, but need to drop one for The Long Pain. Gear: Head: Fair Favor/Helm of the White Void Armor: Devil of Caroc Breastplate Gloves: Aegor’s Swift Touch, or anything that increases DEX/MIG Amulet: A few choices here; Bone Setter’s Torc, Precognition, and Orishia are my favourites. Amulet of (greater) health is good for early game Rings: Greater Regeneration + Voidward Belt: Undying Burden/Upright Captain (very handy in BoW) Boots: Anything that increases DEX. Early on you can use Boots of the Stone, BiS is Footprints of Ahu Taka. Boots of Speed are also nice Cloak: Still not set on this slot yet; for pure damage you could go Violet Redemption; Nemnok’s will save you in a pinch, but will make you even more squishy; Giftbearer’s or (Greater) Protection for the will; (Greater) Deflection is probably the overall safest choice. Pet: Abraham Trinket: Waidwen's Sundial/Eye of Rymrgand. Both strong defensively, Sundial also has a debuff though this can be applied by a party member. Per rest so if you don't like abusing rest (I don't) then save for big fights/rough situations. Weapons: Scordeo’s Edge: You will want to go to Ashen Maw early. Put it in your main hand and leave it there. Rust’s Poignard: Obtainable early, though the fight can be tough. I was able to do it at lvl10 without much trouble, so I’m sure it can be done earlier. Worthy mentions/situationally good: Grave Calling: BiS OH for skeleton fights. +15 accuracy vs vessels makes this the obvious choice, as a bonus we can summon minions with it too. This will also probably be your main hand until you get Scordeo’s. Modwyr: Solid weapon, however the action speed buff doesn’t apply to your other weapon whereas Rust's does (the lashes do though). A solid option pre Scordeo/Rust, also against Fampyrs. Aldris Blade of Captain Crow: Good synergy with our high crit chance. If you are having trouble with healing then you will like this sabre. Beza's Toothed Blade: Only one reason to use this, and that is Veil Piercing. Veil-Touched (all ghosts have this passive) grants -50% damage taken and 100% incoming crit to hit conversion. Only way to circumvent this is with Veil Piercing, showcased in the Onadere bounty video below. Tarn’s Respite: Very good early-mid game weapon due to +1 PEN and a cold lash. The upgrades are only really good against bosses. Edit: After playing through BoW I have made some adjustments and removed some weapons, because honestly Scordeo/Rust can't be beat (outside of immunities and ghosts). Even the 21 slash/pierce armour snow bears couldn't slow me down. I was even able to prone-lock the final boss at half health thanks to Rust and a good Blade Cascade proc; fight ended about 15 seconds later. For other gear, there aren't many changes. The Helm of the White Void provides us +10 accuracy on Stunning Surge, so is a very strong contender for the head slot. Looks weird if you're not also wearing the Guardian's Plate though. Added trinket recommendations. New ring (Prosperity's Fortune) from the Deck of Many Things DLC is interesting, however you'd have to drop the ring of regen. Also appears to be no in game indication whatsoever of how much hit to crit chance it gives, so can't recommend at this stage. Most of this gear is obtainable early, providing you know where to look and have the cash. Most of the expensive ones can even be stolen with mechanics 14, which is nice. My fight against the Kraken was quite bizarre; hopefully you find it as amusing as I did playing it! I had to equip Eder with the Bounding Boots to get him out after. It is very easy to stack Scordeo against, the results of which I show at the end. And this is why Swift Flurry is so strong; this was before I got Scordeo so my accuracy wasn't even that crazy: Some videos of bounties (almost solo) pre patch 2.0: Beina Flamewalker Vessali Burunga boat fight And some more bounties from 2.0 patch day: Steel Preacher Onadere - Different weapon sets due to the immunities of the enemies here Urnox - Fully solo Uamoru - Fully solo So as you can see the build is still very strong after the nerf to SS; basically don't spam it until you have high Scordeo and/or they are sufficiently debuffed. Gameplay: So, how it all fits together. Stunning surge will provide us with 2 mortification if it crits, this used to apply to both attacks meaning it was possible to generate Mortification (patch 2.0 limited it to one refund). It also gives you 2 wounds; though this is likely a bug. This is why we want to maximise our crit chance, and is why Scordeo’s Edge is so good here. Each hit with it grants +2 accuracy, which stacks. Swift Flurry and Heartbeat Drumming have a chance to trigger an additional attack when you crit; the important thing to note is that the additional attack seems to always be with the main hand (which is why Scordeo’s must be in MH slot), and they can proc several times on a single attack (most I’ve seen is 8, sometimes you will literally make a mob explode with a single hit). This means it is very easy for us to stack our accuracy, leading to more crits, more SS spam, and more free attack procs! I've also added in Instruments of Pain, which allows us to hit from a distance - don't use the Long Pain as it will replace your weapons, just wait for the upgrade. Against some bosses you may want to not use it, as you can't flank from range. Next up we have Lion’s Charge, which gives +15 accuracy (note this doesn't stack with Priest's Devotions of the Faithful). The description states it is only for the first hit, however it is currently bugged and will last for the duration of the encounter. This will eventually get fixed, but even then it will still be a solid choice as you want to get those free attacks pumping ASAP. Sprint is also great for rushing the backline at the start of a fight if you want to take out a caster quickly, and repositioning in general. Bloodlust and Blood Thirst to increase our AS when we kill things, which will be alot. Bloody Slaughter and Barbaric Smash for finishing off low health enemies. Rust's Poignard - Shank gives 3% AS per stack against flanked enemies (also works on your MH, though tooltip it doesn't always show on the weapon), so you will want a Rgoue tank and/or Cipher to spam Phantom Foes. Lay Low is also very powerful when it procs (prone and -10 all defenses). It even works on bosses so if you get a Blade Cascade proc you can lock them down for a solid duration (Salvation of Time extends it). For basic fights I have a script handle pretty much everything for me, which I can upload if anyone is interested. Athletics when near death - auto cast frenzy, swift flurry, and instruments of pain - if mortification > 5 then use SS on lowest deflection - if rage > 5 AND enemy is near death then use barbaric smash. Activate sprint at beginning of combat after your auto cast buffs and pick your first target. You will be disgusted at how efficient this is when you get a Blade Cascade proc. Note: This is no longer strictly recommended in 2.0. Take control early then once the momentum has built up let it spam. I think that's everything, if you have any suggestions or critiques I'd love to hear them! Edit: Updated for 2.0, added a bunch of videos, changed some formatting. Edit: Can't believe I'd never tried out The Long Pain/Instruments of Pain before, so much fun! Take them at 15 and 20. Edited August 4, 2018 by thundercleese
M4xw0lf Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 One thing: you cannot get the DoC breastplate when you also chose to sacrifice her to the blood pool.
Boeroer Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Afaik Stunning Surge only refunds mortification and doesn't give wounds. Edited August 1, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 One thing: you cannot get the DoC breastplate when you also chose to sacrifice her to the blood pool. She needs to have died or spared the dudes life. How she dies doesn't matter.
thundercleese Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Afaik Stunning Surge only refunds mortification and doesn't give wounds. I'm sure I've seen my wounds jump up to 10 after using it. Though tbh as I can't see my health I could have also taken a heavy hit. Or frenzy ticks. Will remove it from the post for now though to be safe. Edit: Okay so I just tested without Frenzy and gained 4 wounds from a single use, no damage taken. Possibly a bug? Will add it back in. Edited August 1, 2018 by thundercleese
Boeroer Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Ah ok. That's new. When I did a playthrough with Xoti-Monk right after release it didn't work like that - or at least that's how I remember it. But since I'm old and may have Brain-like-Swiss-Cheese-Syndrome... That's nice actually. Great for Shattered Pillars to gain wounds without the need for auto-attacks I guess. Edited August 1, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Boeroer Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 I added this build to the list. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 I didn't play at release so it may have changed at some point. Yeah it's not such a big deal for this build as unless you take something like Blade Turning you're not spending wounds at all. It does help reach max wounds at the beginning of combat though, which is nice. Thanks for adding to the list.
Haplok Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Aren't the extra Wounds due to Helwalker starting combat? The description mentions 1 Wound, but I seem to always start combat with 3 at level 10. So maybe the amount scales with PL?
thundercleese Posted August 2, 2018 Author Posted August 2, 2018 Aren't the extra Wounds due to Helwalker starting combat? The description mentions 1 Wound, but I seem to always start combat with 3 at level 10. So maybe the amount scales with PL? Helwalker gets 1 more wound at start of combat than regular monk. Berserker frenzy ticks also grant wounds, which is why I always start my self buffs with frenzy to squeeze a little more initial duration on flurry. I did a quick test last night on a lvl16 hired adventurer: Start combat in stealth with 5 wounds, didn't activate frenzy, ran up to a squishy archer and used stunning surge; gained 4 wounds, took no damage.
Boeroer Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) Hehe - I never thought about Berserker Frenzy giving you wounds. Why on earth didn't I? I also forgot: does self damage like Berserker's Frenzy cancel Dance of Death? Because if not I'm wondering why nobody has made a Berserker/Nalpasca with Enduring Dance yet... max wounds while frenzied & stoned all the time. I call it "The Mosher". :D Edited August 2, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 2, 2018 Author Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) Hehe - I never thought about Berserker Frenzy giving you wounds. Why on earth didn't I? I also forgot: does self damage like Berserker's Frenzy cancel Dance of Death? Because if not I'm wondering why nobody has made a Berserker/Nalpasca with Enduring Dance yet... max wounds while frenzied & stoned all the time. I call it "The Mosher". :D I think I tried this out at one point during my testing and it didn't cancel it, can't remember 100% though. May check it out later tonight if I have time. Edit: Wait no, that was testing with the sceptre modal, which didn't cancel dance. Should work with Berserker too then. Edited August 2, 2018 by thundercleese 1
Boeroer Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) No need: I just tested it and the self damage will not cancel Dance of Death. I also remeber reading this in one of the first patch notes after release, but I wasn't sure. Now I am. With Berserker/Nalpaska/Enduring Dance you will generate more than 1 wound/second without even touching another being. It's pretty hilarious. *Sigh* - another build that wants to be explored... Edited August 2, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Ascaloth Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 No need: I just tested it and the self damage will not cancel Dance of Death. I also remeber reading this in one of the first patch notes after release, but I wasn't sure. Now I am. With Berserker/Nalpaska/Enduring Dance you will generate more than 1 wound/second without even touching another being. It's pretty hilarious. *Sigh* - another build that wants to be explored... I can test it for you if you want, Boeroer. I've been knocking around build ideas for an RDC run anyway, and this sounds like a pretty fitting concept for a Watcher who was dishonorably discharged from the Ruquapa for his drug habits.
thundercleese Posted August 2, 2018 Author Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) Just added a video of a very interesting fight against the Kraken (just finished a bug report on it). Also at the end I show just how high you can stack Scordeo's. Edited August 2, 2018 by thundercleese
Boeroer Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 @Ascaloth: that's nice, thank you. @thundercleese: do you also have issues with Barbaric Blow (or upgrades) + Torment's Reach? When I use Torment's Reach I nearly always get the 20% bonus of Barbaric Blow - even the +50% when I crit with Torment's Reach. As if the bonus from Barbaric Blow was given to my char permanently. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 2, 2018 Author Posted August 2, 2018 I'll try it when I get home this afternoon. Have you noticed it on other skills as well or just Torment's Reach? I'm not currently using TR so will check it on SS first then respec and try out TR.
thundercleese Posted August 3, 2018 Author Posted August 3, 2018 So just tested with both SF and TR, both before and after using BS for the first time in combat; neither got any bonus from BS. Could be it was fixed in the patch, or could be something specific to the build/gear/encounter for you.
Ascaloth Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Well, while we're exploiting thundercleese as a gofer for mechanics testing... So it's established that the scepter modal and Berserker Frenzy doesn't cancel Dance of Death; how about self damage from equipment? Specifically, I'm thinking stuff like Furrante's Breastplate, Voidwheel and Wicked Beast. Currently theorycrafting the Berserker/Nalpazca build I said I would do, and I'm leaning towards something that's super-tanky for the first seconds of an encounter, just long enough for Enduring Dance to be worth the investment even if it gets canceled later in the fight.
Boeroer Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) I think they fixed Dance of Death (and also Mirrored Image, Gilded Enmity, Ironskin, Wizard's Double) in a way that only attacks that do a proper attack roll and deal damage will count. All self damage stuff does no hit roll - so I suspect (only suspect) that they all work fine with Dance of Death etc. Edit: Ha! Pushing this build over to the "hot" category. Edited August 3, 2018 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 3, 2018 Author Posted August 3, 2018 I think they fixed Dance of Death (and also Mirrored Image, Gilded Enmity, Ironskin, Wizard's Double) in a way that only attacks that do a proper attack roll and deal damage will count. All self damage stuff does no hit roll - so I suspect (only suspect) that they all work fine with Dance of Death etc. Edit: Ha! Pushing this build over to the "hot" category. Why thank you kind sir! And yes I believe you are correct re: Dance of Death. Just did a fairly big edit; updated for 2.0 and the (fairly small) nerf, shifted a bunch of things around. Added a bunch of videos, including a couple of fully solo bounties. Biggest change is you now need to pay attention to who you use SS on. Side note: Only a few of the videos are embedded, I assume this is because there is a limit per post?
Boeroer Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 What was the nerf? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 3, 2018 Author Posted August 3, 2018 Can't generate mortification through Stunning Surge any more.
Boeroer Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Huh? What does it do now? Wasn't that the whole point of Stunning Surge? Or do you mean "not beyond what it costs"? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
thundercleese Posted August 3, 2018 Author Posted August 3, 2018 Yeah, sorry I should have been clearer. Can't get 4 mortification from 1 SS now, so have to be a bit more selective of when to use it as oppose to spamming it all day.
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