After hours of games, thoughts on bests 2 handers ?

[Veolfen]

Hello guys !

After finally finishing one playthrough, and having started a huge amount of other playthrought, i'm about to restard a new game for a solo POTD run.
I tested many weapons and stuff and i want to make a 2 hander specialist for it.

The thing is, while finding really powefull one handers easily, especially in the flails, sabers and swords categories, i still have a hard time finding real game changing 2 handers. 2 handers are disapointing it is known, but not only for their overall effectiveness, their uniques are quite disapointing too.

Even tho there's a lack of power, has anyone tried to boost the potential of some uniques to dish out good damages ?
What are your thoughts about the "bests" two handers in the game ?


For what i tested :

 

-Voidwheel looks like the biggest hitter of the 2 handed swords. Sanguine gives more sustain to the one wielding it while keeping decent damages boosts.

-Lord Daryn Voulge do a really nice job as a single target weapon, but also does nice multitarget damages. Sadly no legendary upgrade It would have been my goto weapon.

-Willbreaker is half bugged but looks like it has a huge potential with his passives. But i'd like some feedback because i lacked of specialiced followers to use it in my games.

-All unique estocs looks really good but i'd like to avoid a single damage type weapon for a devoted. 

-Chromoprismatic Quarterstaff is powerfull and the reason people tend to consider the quarterstaff the only good two hander weapon type



So did some of you find anything good ? Is willbreaker worth investing a devoted to Morning Stars ? Do I underestimate some other uniques ?


Thanks in advance guys ^^

Edited July 7, 2018 by Veolfen

[mant2si]

Check this thread https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/103151-firebrand-has-a-lash-now-and-is-finally-a-serious-weapon/
 
Firebrand:

Can be summoned with scroll +60sec (instead of 30 - 45s for other weapon)
+25% Fire lash
2 Damage Type
There exist ring that increase Firebrand accuracy +10
Modal with +30% to Damage
 

Edited July 7, 2018 by mant2si

[Zelse]

Didnt find any 2H that were better than chromoprismatic quarterstaff. Unfortunately thats super late in the game so effectively worthless for devoted. There is another quarterstaff called "sweeper" that just looks hillarious (see list) but its fairly late as well.

 

Check out this list:

https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/List_of_unique_weapons_(Deadfire)

 

Greatswords, Morning stars are probably the best options for devoted if you really want to go devoted.

Devoted + sabres will always be the better powergaming option though.

 

It is worthy to note that some of the best 2H weapons in the game are the ones you summon with spells! The draining quarterstaff is excellent to bridge until you can get a decent one and the citzals spirit lance (pike) is probably the ACTUAL best 2H weapon in the game.

 

Weapon summons are kinda slow AND short tho... soooo meh....

Edited July 7, 2018 by Zelse

[Veolfen]

That's a nice summoned weapon.

But Voidwhell for exemple does :

10% raw
10% corrode

Corrode resist reduction on the ennemy
Chance to proc a raw damage spell on crits

Has much more penetration

10% self damages but a weapon enchant can compensate for it.

 

 

Didnt find any 2H that were better than chromoprismatic quarterstaff. Unfortunately thats super late in the game so effectively worthless for devoted. There is another quarterstaff called "sweeper" that just looks hillarious (see list)

 

Check out this list:

https://pillarsofete...pons_(Deadfire)

 

Greatswords, Morning stars are probably the best options for devoted if you really want to go devoted.

Devoted + sabres will always be the better powergaming option though.

 

It is worthy to note that some of the best 2H weapons in the game are the ones you summon as wizard spells! The draining quarterstaff is excellent to bridge until you can get a decent one and the citzal Pike is probably the ACTUAL best 2H weapon in the game.

 

Weapon summons are kinda slow AND short soooo meh....

Yeah i know the wiki, i actually have almost all the weaps in my inventory so i know the upgrades and stuff. But was thinking about testings and combinations people could have discovered ^^
The sabres and flails have some insanes bonuses on their uniques, i'm kind of sad i don't find stuff as exciting on two handers

And i don't like summoned weapons very much tho, i like having real steel in my hands But i know they are powerful. Still not my type of thing and it forces me to multiclass with a caster. 
I'm more interested with raw material.

Edited July 7, 2018 by Veolfen

[robogiffo]

Wahai Poraga isn't a bad poleaxe, but you have to watch the AoE damage since it is FoF.  

 

Then there's the Whispers of the Endless Paths, though that has been nerfed a bit.

[mant2si]

That's a nice summoned weapon.

 

But Voidwhell for exemple does :

10% raw

10% corrode

Corrode resist reduction on the ennemy

Chance to proc a raw damage spell on crits

Has much more penetration

10% self damages but a weapon enchant can compensate for it.

But there no +10 acc :D

 

+ 10% to Crit

+ 10% to Hit

+ 10% to Graze

-  10% to Miss

 

If you have 100 acc and enemy has 100 deflection for 100 attack (with 110 acc) you will do 10 additional hits, 10 additional ctrits and only 5 misses, 25 Graze

 

+ 5% fire lash

 

As devoted you already have good +2 Pen, and +25% to Crit Damage 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2018 by mant2si

[Boeroer]

I'm currently using Willbreaker on my Devoted/Berserker with Brute Force (of course). Before I got Brute Force I liked to use Knockdown->Mule Kick a lot because they have +10 ACC AND target fortitude instead of deflection. That's like doing +35 ACC attacks. I don't even bother with switching off Body Blows anymore.

So Morning Stars and especially Willbreaker are just awesome on anybody who uses abilities that target fortitude (also see Cipher's Soul Ignition or Disintergrate - Willbreaker + cipher is not only good synergy, it also sounds so fitting ).

[mant2si]

I'm currently using Willbreaker on my Devoted/Berserker with Brute Force (of course). Before I got Brute Force I liked to use Knockdown->Mule Kick a lot because they have +10 ACC AND target fortitude instead of deflection. That's like doing +35 ACC attacks. I don't even bother with switching off Body Blows anymore.

So Morning Stars and especially Willbreaker are just awesome on anybody who uses abilities that target fortitude (also see Cipher's Soul Ignition or Disintergrate - Willbreaker + cipher is not only good synergy, it also sounds so fitting ).

Then you can pick monk/berserker with (Brute Force + Sickened) you lower enemy fortitude for 35, it's mean you can spam stun blow for each attack, stun blow give you additional -10 for fortitude :D

 

More crits -> More hits :D

Edited July 7, 2018 by mant2si

[Boeroer]

But Stunning Blows targets deflection until you get Brute Force. You can use Force of Anguish though (targets fortitude).

 

Another nice thing is a single class fighter with Clear Out: cause Body Blows in an AoE for your casters. Single because that way you'll get Clear Out a lot earlier. I'm toying around with a Black Jacket who uses flail, club, pike and morning star with Clear Out to debuff all 4 defenses in an AoE for his party members (casters mostly). Works really well but the automatic "off" of modals when switching is a real chore.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Boeroer

[heldred]

Overall, the base damage on 2-handers seems disproportionately low to dual-wield (excluding lack of additional buffs compared to wielding two magic weapons) and the selection is incredibly lame. It takes a limited amount of time to create a new item, but for some reason the devs believe a crappy list of weapons sells games... but I digress.

[Dr <3]

 

I'm currently using Willbreaker on my Devoted/Berserker with Brute Force (of course). Before I got Brute Force I liked to use Knockdown->Mule Kick a lot because they have +10 ACC AND target fortitude instead of deflection. That's like doing +35 ACC attacks. I don't even bother with switching off Body Blows anymore.

So Morning Stars and especially Willbreaker are just awesome on anybody who uses abilities that target fortitude (also see Cipher's Soul Ignition or Disintergrate - Willbreaker + cipher is not only good synergy, it also sounds so fitting ).

Then you can pick monk/berserker with (Brute Force + Sickened) you lower enemy fortitude for 35, it's mean you can spam stun blow for each attack, stun blow give you additional -10 for fortitude :D

 

More crits -> More hits :D

You could also use force of anguish, but that turns game in baseball. Every hit is an home run

[Boeroer]

Arterial Strike with Body Blows + (upgraded) Force of Anguish = Death by a thousand steps.

 

It's fun to watch. And both are so cheap.

 

Same with Wahaī Pōraga is even better when meeting mobs - but you will lack the fortitude debuff.

[Dr <3]

Now i have to try it ASAP

[Esajin]

Wahai Poraga is absurdly strong right now. It will most definitely be patched.

 

I would personally not advise a Devoted for solo runs with two-handers, but that's just me. I just don't like being unable to switch to a more effective weapon against an enemy.

 

 

With that said, Estocs are really good and accessible very early in the game, with the Eager Blade.

 

Just remember the additional attack when target is near death has low penetration, but it hits your target on top of everything in range. For example, my base attack with the Eager Blade (with modal) is 16 pen, but the penetration of the extra attacks will only be 11.

 

Another great weapon early on is the Lance of the Midwood Stag, The +2PL effect is strong.

 

Speaking of PL, Voidwheel's proc effect benefits from your power level even on mundane basic attacks. This makes Voidwheel one of the best single target weapons in the game if you build for it.

 

Just a sample: total damage of a double-crit mob stance proc with voidwheel at level 20 on a single class fighter (unbroken): 78 slash + 8 corrode + 8 raw + 91 corrode + 9 corrode + 9 raw + 26.4 per 3 seconds for 9 seconds

 

Total damage dealt: 292 single target. Now picture that with a Devoted...

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Esajin

[mant2si]

Total damage dealt: 292 single target. Now picture that with a Devoted...

 

Yep one of the best 2H weapons :D But 25% chance is pretty low and accuracy vs Fortitude make it less useful. Rogue can achieve +200 damage with DW full attack 

Edited July 8, 2018 by mant2si

[mosspit]

I miss Tidefall.

[pdn]

Thinking of doing my first PotD run with some kind of 2-handed build. Did my first on veteran as a Beguiler/Rogue. Haven't paid much attention to the recent patches though. What's a good class/build for using 2-handers? Wouldn't mind something inspired by Death Knights..

[AndreaColombo]

BotEP is pretty good.

 

In the right build's hands, estocs can reach pretty insane penetration numbers (18, maybe more if food bonuses stack with the rest) which should be enough to pen/overpen anything that isn't straight-up immune to pierce damage.

[mant2si]

BotEP is pretty good.

 

In the right build's hands, estocs can reach pretty insane penetration numbers (18, maybe more if food bonuses stack with the rest) which should be enough to pen/overpen anything that isn't straight-up immune to pierce damage.

I assume 17 is max, food, potions, inspiration, skills didn't stack

[AndreaColombo]

18, then (1.2 gave +1 PEN to all 2H.)

 

 

Accuracy is 107 without Devotions for the Faithful or Seeker's Prize (I don't even know if the two stack; never tried.) Plus you debuff your opponent's Deflection upon critting them.

[Boeroer]

Use a Devoted/Paladin with Scion of Flame and push it to 19 PEN with FoD - just because you can!

Edited July 9, 2018 by Boeroer