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is the crux o' the issue... if there is a real issue. am thinking "the point where "genuine value" gets left behind" is gonna be difficult to identify and highly subjective regardless. given the nebulous notion o' the complaint, am thinking educators should be given broad latitude and nothing save genuine egregious should be subject to correction. from a rational and reasonable pov, am not seeing as a real issue save for fact that what should be at worst eye-roll fodder has been weaponized. keep in mind, am thinking the white privilege stuff and the tendency to wanna decry every situation in which women or minorities do not achieve equal representation as deserving to be called racist is harmful. we want firefighters to be minimal capable o' certain feats o' endurance and strength regardless o' gender. reduce physical requirements just to get more women representation in a fire department with less than X% females is so not a win. regardless o' race, we want our doctor to have (better than) minimum qualifications, and if representation o' native americans is too low, we want the problem to be fixed before those native americans become doctors and not at the end o' the process. @Hurlsnot mentioned once how his students seeming saw racism in almost everything and am not sure this is a good trend, particular given how such has been used to polarize our society this last decade. like it or not, 'cause is a democratic republic, minorities need whites to bring 'bout positive changes and if a significant % o' whites increasing see any discussion o' race as adversarial, then change becomes less likely, yes? even so, the trend o' complaining o' wokeness annoys us more than a little, and perhaps more than hurlsnot students and their ubiquitous perception o' racism. we can work with students being taught to see racism in every phrase or image. however, once you censor and self censor education so that mention o' any race issue which could make students uncomfortable is exorcised (and that is the language being used by a few state laws) the opportunities for enlightenment become far more limited. HA! Good Fun!

we were physics at berkeley in late 80s, so not the same as engineering or cs. gut level demographics as am recalling: +80% male. o' the women in the program, almost 25% were foreign nationals, though am gonna note many o' those were working hard to find ways to stay in the US following graduation. in more concrete terms, our graduating class had 'bout 120 awarded a bs in physics. so if our demographic guestimates is correct, 18 woulda' been women who were not foreign nationals. sounds 'bout right. 'course keep in mind we went to a particular inclusive/hippie university... sorta. gotta be careful considering today's environment. refer to young women as "girls" may be seen reflexive as patronizing especial on a board like this where 'cause o' general anonymity most readers will not realize just how old is gorth and that your girls remark is likely a innocuous descriptor o' any woman under 30 (35?) with whom you may have crossed paths over the decades. HA! Good Fun! ps as for demographics, the real curiosity were african americans. the issue got special attention 'cause there were literal two african american students enrolled in undergrad physics during the three years we were enrolled. were a fair number o' latinos but had as many native americans as african americans. explanation were that all the african american students with grades to get into Cal were also getting scholarships for princeton and stanford, so...

y'know, the thing am kinda confused 'bout is the weird preoccupation with indoctrination/wokeness and schools. obvious people has been concerned 'bout school indoctrination since before most boardies were born, but we always just assumed such enculturation/socializing were a fundamental quality o' education. in the US, particular 'round the 1960s or so, there were a general and nationwide effort to help kids overcome the baggage o' bigotry they likely had been shouldering 'cause o' past generations o' reflexive and unconscious prejudices. schools were integrated and teachers were encouraged to create classroom environments where races and genders were treated equitable. am curious why so many sudden think educators teaching kids to avoid bigotry along with chemistry and english grammar is unnecessary or even harmful. am knowing have said this previous, but human brains don't fully develop until teens and as late as mid twenties, and one o' the last stages is the formation o' a personal sense o' moral responsibility and all the rationality and social navigation skills we assume adults should possess, but so few do. schools get as much if not more chances to help kids develop social and moral as does parents and it would be gross negligent if educators treated schools as a lord of the flies or survival game scenario where other than teaching subject mater and maintaining classroom order, teachers allowed kids to teach themselves social etiquette and differences 'tween right and wrong. humans is by nature predatory social creatures who group for protection and target the weak, 'cause doing so is a good approach to survival. 'course this means kids who is different, weak, or part o' a minority group is likely to be the target o' all those base and vulgar behaviors parents pretend only other kids engage. as far as we can tell, perceived complaints o' wokeness in schools is an overt resistance to teachers being reasonable and responsible. generations o' familial and cultural bigotry don't magic disappear if educators take a hands-off approach in schools, promoting a state of nature environment where kids, freed from the immediate supervision o' their parents, make up their own programs o' enculturation and socialization. we want teachers to not only teach subject matter but to model appropriate social behavior, yes? nevertheless, am getting how this happened. the current gop is 'bout grievance and outrage. working class whites is suffering right along with historical minority groups. those whites struggling to make ends meet are angry and rush limbaugh and steve bannon helped convince those whites that they is the real victims o' racial prejudice. the libs wanna save minorities by punishing whites, or somesuch. white privilege is a hard sell to those caucasians who can't find a decent factory job as did their father or has been in danger o' losing the family farm for decades. in 2022, every time a lib mentions race and in almost any context, the new reflexive reaction from working class whites is outrage, and professional whites is willing to be complicit. check reactions to the recent Justice Jackson confirmation hearings. lindsey graham, josh hawley and ted cruz were stoking anger and it failed with most Americans, but that don't mean they failed. those senators were only genuine speaking to those who need outrage. focusing on the Q favorite pedophile angle? point out a public defender defended terrorists? define womanhood? those avenues o' attack were not meant to resonate with white suburban woman, but the gop don't care. the gop needs the trump base to stay outraged, 'cause if they don't stay angry they is gonna realize those lib programs such as infrastructure spending and easing off the trade wars is benefiting them more than were than tax cuts for the rich. the gop is current beholden to maybe ⅓ o' their own party's voters and the recent (complete not surprise) reveals regarding mcconnell and mccarthy make it all too obvious that the gop politicians is all 'bout keeping the base happy regardless o' what they believe is right or good for the republic. inflation should be enough to sink democrats at the midterms, even if the inflation is at least as much the fault o' trump and his fed appointees as it is biden's spending spree. even so, 2022 republicans don't have a real platform other than outrage and grievance. fiscal responsibility went out the window during the trump years. resisting authoritarians abroad, a gop hallmark since nixon has been replaced by the trumpy bromance with putin, xi and their ilk. trade wars 'stead o' free trade? w/o anything real, the gop needs to keep every voter and the only reason a significant number o' working class voters have for choosing the gop instead o' the libs is anger at socialism (but not real socialism), wokeness (whatever wokeness is) and planned parenthood. regardless, am genuine not understanding why woke educators is bad. teachers modeling non bigoted behavior and informing students 'bout historical evils o' government embraced prejudice were good for better than five decades, no? to Gromnir, such educational practices and goals sound positive. so it goes. 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What to know about the latest student loan forgiveness waiver is gonna be a bit painful for those who defaulted somewhere along the ways, "Consumer advocates are disappointed in this exception because of the 4.4 million people who have been in repayment on their loans for more than 20 years, roughly half are in default. Advocates argue that these people need the most help and have experienced the most harm from a broken repayment system." am recognizing is political difficult to get support for a plan which subsidizes perceived deadbeats. heck, we got people on these boards getting all frothy 'cause o' school lunch programs, so imagine the pushback on student loans being forgiven if the the borrower defaulted at some point. that said, it would appear the folks most in need is gonna be the ones unable to avail themselves o' loan forgiveness. HA! Good Fun! ps am gonna admit we took a long time to repay our loans (didn't need undergrad or grad, but for law school we took max dollar amount possible) but the reason we stretched out repayment is 'cause, curious enough, all those student loan accounts helped our credit rating. we purposeful avoided consolidation, so instead o' having to manage a bunch o' credit cards we didn't want or need, we had a bunch o' different student loan accounts, which perhaps ironic bolstered our credit rating. 'course when we payed off our loans, we went from low 800s to 750ish almost overnight. didn't take us the 25 years to repay needed to avail self o' post grad/professional loan forgiveness, but am suspecting a few o' our contemporaries is still paying.

we almost never went to costco save for gasoline pre pandemic, but we bought a whole lotta fuel as we had a noteworthy daily commute, so the membership were worth it. with retirement and the pandemic, our fuel consumption dropped dramatic. however, during the worst spikes o' the pandemic we frequented costco with a certain amount o' regularity as our neighbors for whom we did shop always wanted costco specific groceries and supplies. not a complete loss as we discovered kirkland brand extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar is excellent. am understanding costco prize for select brands o' booze is also excellent, but as we don't partake, that is less o' a draw. regardless, on a whim we bought a spice rack which claimed to provide free refills for five years... cost us $29.50. we assumed the quality would be dreck, but given how much spice/herbs we go through, for thirty bucks the gamble were negligible. there is negatives. refills is not complete free as there is a delivery charge which means it only makes sense to order refills in batches o' 4, 10, 20, 35, etc. for all intents and purposes, if am ordering 4, is a buy one and get three free deal. not a fan o' their garlic powder. terrible. also, takes 'bout five days to receive a shipment, so if you need tomorrow, is not gonna work. once we did receive oregeno when we had in fact ordered cayenne pepper, but a replacement were sent immediate after we made an email complaint. as one might expect, weight o' refills varies considerable depending on the herb/spice, but the refills appear designed to fill the 3oz (fluid) spice jars which come with the rack... save for bay leaves. am gonna admit am impressed with their bay leaves, but is no way the leaves they send via refills is fitting in a 3oz jar; would have nothing but leaf fragments, and indeed, in the original spice rack we got a jar full o' useless bay leaf scraps which were promptly replaced but only after we took a picture to prove the condition matched our complaint. annoyed. general quality exceeds mccormick or even morton & bassett, save for the aforementioned garlic powder which am wondering if it were nothing but cellulose filler. ordinarily when we use cayenne pepper in a recipe, we double the amount described. am not doubling cayenne with the orii stuff. sinus clearing, but in a good way. few complaints so far. our order history says am averaging four refills a month, so am spending $6.25 on "free" refills monthly. even so, it feels like a decent deal but only 'cause we use so much spice. am mentioning if anybody happens to see the spice rack go on sale at costco and they is curious. HA! Good Fun!

along with absence o' gore, the most oft offered explanations for why falling deaths o' villains is so common in disney movies is as you describe. as such the hero's hands remain clean while the villain falls to death due to pride/hubris/whatever. compare the aforementioned hunchback of notre dame climax from disney to source material or most film versions. in the novel, and not disney, quasimodo hurls frollo to his death. ff to 37:15 HA! Good Fun!

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nothing really 'bout the 80s (or 90s) which set it apart. coulda' added jack nicholson's joker and sean bean from his bond film for 80s and 90s, but if we get 70s and 00s you are gonna have a similar list o' notables. however, am suspecting the obvious answer as to why is 'cause it is a common nightmare scenario. only 'bout a bazillion links, yes? show dramatic falling is a straight shot to the id or somesuch. director is gonna get an emotional response which resonates with many in spite o' fact nobody in the audience has actual experienced such a death themselves. HA! Good Fun!

1 2 and from 2000s there were no shortage o' such 3 ' course gollum goes out similar. we used death o' saruman in rotk 'cause is homage to christopher lee's death scene from sins of dracula (1970). peter jackson is a serious horror film nerd, so no accident. regardless, is a whole lotta disney films which do the villain falling to death starting from seven dwarfs and continuing through the decades and is no shortage o' imitators.... though admitted, pretty much every hunchback of notre dame film is gonna have such a scene, and there has been at least ten going back to 1911(?). HA! Good Fun! ps (edit): obvious king kong (33,76, 05) will be the most famous use o' the literal fall o' the antagonist, but we tend to not put kong in the villain role 'though "bad guys" works.

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puns, eh? well then, am gonna suggest nato may sweden the deal before they is finnished. and that effort at pun should last us another six months. HA! Good Fun!

another unfortunate and predictable side-effect o' the pandemic, other than inflation, has been the rise o' rat aggressiveness and even cannibalism. warning: the following clip may be too disturbing for sensitive viewers is exactly the kinda thing which shoulda' been anticipated, though perhaps some good may come from this if enough o' the filthy rodents destroy each other. HA! Good Fun!

gołąbki/cabbage rolls is kinda ubiquitous eastern european with all kinda small variations depending on region and the babushka from whom one learned the recipe, but is near universal delicious in spite o' simplicity. gonna admit we never use canned stewed tomatoes. have never made cabbage roll soup, but soup is not terribly hard and is having fundamental steps. if we were gonna make a cabbage roll soup, sans the rolls, we would likely do something similar to lc but replace the stewed tomatoes (though is a personal thing as we can't recall the last time we used stewed tomatoes) with whole tomatoes we hand crush to an extreme degree (in a non metallic bowl) or perhaps take a stick blender to the tomatoes and puree, add a bunch o' marjoram, black pepper and cooked rice to ingredients she already mentions. maybe add a bit o' stock. probable avoid the jalapeno. finish with the aforementioned sour cream and dill your significant other prefers. since is a soup, am gonna go more heavy on tomatoes and more stingy on rice and meat. anticipated steps: in a dutch oven sweat the onions in olive oil and/or butter then add garlic, salt and spices and cook for a minute. add in the cabbage and dehydrate to desired amount. meat(s), tomatoes, rice and stock goes in the pot, bring to near boil and then reduce to simmer and cook for thirty minutes to an hour. would also recommend adding a whole carrot, quartered. fish the carrot out at end o' cooking. is natural sugars in the carrot which is gonna cut the acidity o' the tomatoes w/o altering the flavour o' the soup. can always stick blender the soup if you want it smoother than what you got. serve with the sour cream and dill. am suspecting your wife and in-laws would enjoy the result, or perhaps they would wonder why you were too lazy to make cabbage rolls and as such the experiment would be an utter fail. if you are genuine curious, we could trial and error a bit and come up with a cabbage roll soup recipe with specific ingredients, quantities and steps... give us a month as am just finished with our easter feast for visiting family and am kinda cooked out and also lacking refrigerator space as is filled with leftovers. HA! Good Fun!

and o' more relevance is fact what is being described in the forbes article ain't actual crt in any meaningful sense. mentioned earlier how well intentioned libs is making the situation worse by attempting pushback by embracing the talking point and slipshod vernacular o' the gop bloggers who made crt a thing. am gonna note how a linked study in the forbes article refers to crp and not crt. culturally relevant pedagogy http://lmcreadinglist.pbworks.com/f/Ladson-Billings (1995).pdf am gonna admit the methodology described by gloria ladson-billings shows just how limited were the study conducted, but we did find interesting how the great bulk o' scholarly work tended to focus on explaining minority failure as 'posed to identifying common elements o' minority success, and ladson-billings were coming at the problem from the more novel direction. regardless, for the crp efforts from ladson-billings, class size is not a relevant factor so much as is finding a culturally responsive approach. competent teachers who were able speak to engage their minority students showed success, if those educators in fact believed in the educability o' their students. the sfusd program looks to be an effort to systematic apply a few o' the lessons gleaned from crp research as 'posed to needing rely on individual competent teachers capable o' overcoming cultural communication obstacles developing their own schemes to promote learning o' historically disenfranchised groups. HA! Good Fun! ps didn't make clear, but creating a crp enlightened curriculum does not instant transform crp into crt.

the tucker carlson vid offered by kp cuts off before it gets to the best/worst part: testicle tanning. edit: am seeing is subscription, so will offer a small portion, for educational purposes The second season of the Fox News host’s docuseries is trending thanks to a trailer for the episode, “The End of Men.” The series promises to offer solutions to the “problem” of declining masculinity, with one promo video showing ripped bare-chested men flipping truck tires, chopping wood, and shooting machine guns in an ultimate display of Crossfit allegiance. But Tuck outdid himself with one segment in particular on testicular tanning — a practice so ludicrous it might be the one time everyone can agree with Kid Rock. As with many outlandish health claims supported by no evidence, the notion that low-level laser therapy will increase testosterone and fertility is not new. Red light therapy — or as the Hungarian scientists named it in 1967, photobiomodulation — is experiencing a renaissance in potential treatments for muscle recovery, depression, and wound healing, topics regularly discussed on far right wellness podcasts with affiliate links to massage guns and infrared saunas. Which naturally led some men to strip naked and point the light at their balls. ... Umberto Eco Makes a List of the 14 Common Features of Fascism people throw around "fascism" often w/o thinking what it means. that said, am o' the opinion the naked appeal to toxic masculinity by tuck is gonna satisfy at least one o' umberto eco's factors. HA! Good Fun!

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edit: irv pankey played on the rams ol as a left tackle for a decade, but for most o' that time he played opposite o' jackie slater (rt). is understandable few save hardcore rams fans recall his name.

going for irony again, eh? whatever. some folks never get tired o' being wrong. while am able to block bruce posts, when another boardie quotes bruce, we will see those quoted portions. such limitations on blocking is a flaw in the system, similar to the inability to block mods. that said am admitted pleasant surprised by the absence o' your reflexive qq, clown and deflection schtick. you deserve a cookie as positive reinforcement, even if is a predictable off-topic adventure. HA! Good Fun!

same. is why w/o specific examples o' how cross -curriculum is being taught and in the absence o' any data regarding relative effectiveness o' traditional and insular teaching v. cross-curriculum, am thinking it is the course o' wisdom to avoid positing conclusions we cannot support with anything more tangible than gut reactions... but am quirky that way. HA! Good Fun! ps and again, is a distraction from the imaginary bogeyman the gop is using to frighten working class whites, tucker carlson viewers and bruce.

as usual, @Hurlsnot would prove a better resource, but... How to make cross-curricular teaching part of your plan just a rando interweb link, but cross-curricular is not new, though is likely unknown to more than a few o' us who did matriculate decades past. teach history & math or english & physics as complimentary as 'posed to insular is having more than a few educational proponents. is a tendency for us older folks to respond to newfangled ideas as wasteful and unnecessary, and perhaps curmudgeons such as gd is correct. nevertheless, am not feeling particular threatened if material which would ordinarily be taught in a 1980s social studies class, such as the underground rail road or the triangle shirtwaist factory fire, managed to be incorporated into science or math lessons. our background most assured is not education, so am not suggesting cross-curricular is a good approach. however, am suspecting cross-curricular explains some o' the more ludicrous claims from the current gop regarding indoctrination via math and science textbooks. HA! Good Fun! ps it's monumental stoopid to debate what the florida gop and other red state legislatures might be aggrieved concerning the teaching o' *add scary abbreviation du jour here*. w/o concrete examples, is ridiculous to imagine the phantoms being imagined into existence and then defend or vanquish such manifestations. that said, whenever presented with concrete examples, as the fox article we has mentioned previous in this thread, so far we has seen nothing to support gop fears.

couldn't helped but be reminded o' a recent video. obvious this is kinda tongue-in-cheek, and perhaps too soon for some, but am thinking your comment 'bout target audiences is what is essential. we chuckle at the vid we link, but a handful o' obsidian posters is gonna reflexive whataboutism or worse, they is gonna outright identify with z... whatever z is. viewing propaganda dispassionate, particular fascist propaganda, is never gonna fully explain its success. what made those pre-war rallies work is they were bypassing reasonable and rational. too many dismissed a fringey and extreme movement seeming led by a funny little caricature o' a man 'cause they were looking at the rallies and marches rational and reasonable. focus on trump and what trump says is a mistake. the crowd cheered, and the crowds kept growing. am betting you watch trump rallies and marvel at how willful obtuse must be those cheering and supporting, but you ain't the target audience. current gop has realized that thanks to the almost unique US republican scheme, they got a formula which succeeds with a populist who is only speaking to 20-30% o' the US population. putin is extreme popular in russia, far more popular than is trump in the US, and some o' that approval is justified. russians were freezing and starving during the 1990s, while western nations were ignoring the suffering. after ww2, japan and germany were rebuilt with the aid o' a whole lotta western money. after the cold war the carcass o' the soviet union were seen as a source o' potential plunder by domestic gangsters as well as foreign multinationals. putin may be a bad guy, but he did save a whole lotta russians and they will never abandon him. period. add to this a kinda endemic russian conspiracy theory mentality coupled with (understandable if not reasonable) NATO/western fear, loathing and envy such that no source other than state tv/media is gonna be believed, and the current russian propaganda which looks transparent silly to you or Gromnir is widely accepted by russians. ... and 'cause the predictable whataboutism responses will derail the thread, am gonna observe how am actual looking forward to the new thor movie, and will make this a legit segue by observing how we were one o' the folks who saw merit in taika waititi's jojo rabitt. am believing the writer o' the recent hawkeye tv show co-wrote new thor with taika waititi, so that is also a plus for us. HA! Good Fun!

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is why we gave up on bruce. is no different than blm. bruce is looking for the answer which corresponds with what he wants to believe, so he finds convincing and latches onto any story or headline which confirms his bias. he will keep coming back to crt until he gets the right response or answer. is exact why we don't give him a simplified definition for crt 'cause you know he will twist whatever definition is provided so as to legitimize his own preconceptions. am guaranteeing this is not happening in hurl's classes, or any other middle school classes... though admitted am not aware o' any law school prof who requires students to stand when responding nowadays, so that part is different. and in spite o' fact we don't know with absolute certainty, we would bet every cent we have that k-5 math classes in florida is not being taught like professor kingsley's example. is safe to say having students do the bloom taxonomy analysis, apply and evaluate at law school or grad school levels is so not happening at any public primary or secondary school in the US. have mentioned previous how impressed we would be if such were the case. explore banking regulations and fec rules through socratic method as a means o' considering the inertia o' systemic racism in the US is a common lesson o' crt and if hurl were doing legit crt in his classes o' snot-nosed crumb-snatchers we would applaud his edumacational skilz as beyond 1337. 'course the aformentioned fantasy is so not what is included in a 5th grade florida math textbook which perhaps mentions harriet tubman in a rando word problem... or lord only knows what is the actual obstacles florida identified in their textbook review and denial as they refuse to provide examples. however, none o' this matters, 'cause (and AGAIN, and again and again and again,) at least one boardie will keep coming back to this until he gets the right answer. HA! Good Fun!