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am unsure what proof you believe you are offering. no doubt at some point law enforcement had the manpower, experience and equipment to deal with the shooter. few would question that observation. local cop leadership were quite possible wrong in their assessment o' the situation; dunno as info and timeline keeps changing. regardless, randos making judgements 'bout the bravery o' those involved is... amusing. "brains," btw, is often gonna look like cowardice to keyboard warriors. HA! Good Fun!

and it's so much easier being brave a few thousand miles away with a keyboard as your weapon of choice. HA! Good Fun!

you did catch the part 'bout how you likely woulda' died before reaching adulthood, yes? even then, am questioning sanity o' gd if he would rather have lived through the american civil war as a southern man, even as a white southern man, as 'posed to living 21st century USA. possible worst o' all for gd, you woulda' had fewer gun rights back then compared to today. HA! Good Fun!

in the past we has used 5 gal food storage buckets to make sauerkraut during the late fall and winter months when garage temps made such feasible. work well enough. however, this previous winter we tried something new... well, new for us. we used a couple .9 gal containers 'cause once the kraut were fermented, the containers were o' a size which would fit in our fridge w/o taking too much space. with two containers we coulda' kinda rotate 'em into the fridge as it took 'bout two weeks to hit optimal kraut stage in the garage... plan ahead on when we would be out o' kraut. HA! Good Fun! ps last year we spoke o' how we save extra watermelon by freezing it as puree and we turn the rind into pickles and/or deep fry. figured as watermelon season is fast approaching, we would mention how we most frequent use the puree, other than in a fizzy beverage. gazpacho. serious. ingredients: 3C watermelon puree. (alternative, use 4C cubed and seeded fresh watermelon) 2C cherry tomatoes 1 1⁄2 C cucumber, cubed, peeled, seeded 1⁄2 red bell pepper, seeded and diced ¼C red onion, diced 2T lemon juice 1t garlic, minced 1⁄2 C extra virgin olive oil salt and pepper directions: add first seven ingredients to a food processor or blender and puree. (edit: let rest a bit after the puree stage as you are avoiding cooking and chances are your fluid is already getting a bit warm.) with blender/food processor on lowish/medium-lowish, drizzle in olive oil slow to your puree. add salt and pepper to taste. chill overnight in the fridge. ez. ... hadn't thought 'bout garnish. cilantro? maybe some kinda olive? HA! Good Fun!

sounds nice but am calling bs. gd wants the water running through his property to be clean as well as the air he breathes to be less than lethal. manage that w/o government interference? he also wants the government to protect him if other and more powerful people (or more desperate, 'cause while power corrupts, powerlessness corrupts absolute) wanna take his stuff... and think o' all the stuff he wouldn't have save for the government, such as drivable roads 'tween wisconsin and tennessee, vaccines and the internet. etc. gd has a romantic notion o' world sans government interference, a fantasy based on some kinda jerimiah johnson movie setting which ignores how mr. johnson were as often as not struggling to survive the predations o' his fellow humans as well as the indifferent violence o' nature. most o' the other mountain men no doubt died young, painful and unmourned. you know where the rl jerimiah johnson died? a veteran's home in santa monica, ca. the government were taking care o' mr. johnson in his golden years 'cause the mountain man sh!te don't work so well once you hit senior citizen status. heck, life expectancy when jerimiah johnson were born were 29 years, which is misleading. the reason the number is less than 30 is 'cause in the late 1820s, like most o' history, a significant % (majority) o' children died before they reached adulthood. chances are w/o government and its benefits, gd wouldn't be alive much less posting on the internet. calling bs. gd wants his idealized minimalist government, but only in the candyland world he has imagined would exist where his fellow humans is compassionate and fair and mother nature ain't a b!tch goddess bent on his extinction. HA! Good Fun!

the unfortunate side effect is those folks who is so invested in a pov or side that they cannot wait for credible info is the same folks who won't change their pov or even admit they were wrong once their hasty narratives is undermined. doesn't matter the facts in a specific case 'cause they are defending ideology or somesuch... is better to be moral right than factual correct, yes? doesn't matter if the issue is blm, hunter biden or the cops. those fighting on the side o' righteousness gotta defend the bigger truth and they see their truth everywhere regardless o' reality. 'course bias is only an issue if you are one o' those bad people on the wrong side o' an issue, yes? *snort* HA! Good Fun!

the timeline keeps changing and the inexplicable gaps is why we were concerned. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/26/uvalde-escalon-police-press-conference/ the thing is, as o' when most folks in this thread were complaining 'bout the cop response, the actual info provided were kinda different. *shakes head sadly* a few obsidian boardies undercut themselves by jumping the gun. if some had waited even half a day the new pressers woulda' revealed conflicting police info. eventual we could indeed have a very clear picture o' cop malfeasance, or not. won't matter though 'cause the folks who jumped in early undermined their own legitimacy and any possibility o' pretending to be fair. eventual folks is gonna learn 'bout being a bit patient and waiting for the chaos to dissipate before they go exposing their biases in the absence o' info... or not. actual works better for us if "not." HA! Good Fun!

and to think we purpose avoided adding one o' our other faves. any legit Gromnir playlist is gonna include heavy doses o' bach, gershwin and arvo pärt, with philip glass having a curious tidal appeal. 'course chicago blues (buddy guy, muddy waters) is also likely to get due consideration albeit to a lesser degree. am finding contemporary pop music to be kinda monotonous and uninspired, but otherwise is gonna be difficult to find a genre we do not like... though as a generality we feel 'bout jazz much as does stewart copeland. HA! Good Fun!

as is usual, a whole lotta folks is making claims based on imperfect info. after actual reading the links provided in this thread, it sounds as if the cops did engage the shooter immediate, at which time at least two cops were injured. that said, am admitted curious 'bout the time delay before somebody obtained a key for the door to the room where the shooter barricade himself. is also a whole lotta not info 'bout the cops s'posed evacuating their own kids. details? none provided in this thread. that said, am having no issue whatsoever if cops evacuated kids from the school and simultaneous prevented rando parents from trying to enter the school. a whole lotta angry and frightened parents (texas parents some o' whom likely were armed as well) running 'round the school were not gonna improve the situation. no doubt the longer the cops stood around looking impotent, the angrier parents became, and the more difficult it became to control the situation, but preventing parents from acting on the "just rush in" impulse does not seem unreasonable. the timeline is curious and am gonna want info as to why it took so long to gain access to the room where the shooter were barricaded, but most other complaints we has seen thus far appear to be based on complete unsubstantiated sources not actual contained in the links, or is conjured rage which reflects all too obvious biases. btw, cops is not paid heroes. they ain't even soldiers. you people watch too much tv. first job for most o' these cops is to get home safe to family. safety o' self and fellow cops is actual priority number one. the internet, which never lies, tells us the average yearly pay for texas cops is $53k. how much heroism is you folks paying for with $53k a year? you don't like the reality? then nationalize cops and turn 'em into a military force as 'posed to civilian. @Guard Dog would have issues, but then you could order the cops to be heroes. problem solved, right? HA! Good Fun! ps am not sure what a "freighted parent" is, so we corrected.

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for those unaware, mr. kerr has a more personal pov on gun violence than does most o' us. The assassination of Steve Kerr's father and the unlikely story of a champion

gave up on the no/low carb effort? am nevertheless applauding the prospective career change, but only if you get the filling-to-dough ratio better than the average pork bun vendor. aside: recent have been using powdered gelatin with some frequency. https://smile.amazon.com/Knox-Unflavored-Gelatin-1-lb/dp/B001UOW7D8/ref=sr_1_5?c=ts&keywords=Gelatins&qid=1653493096&s=grocery&sr=1-5&ts_id=6492316011 we ordinarily have at least a gallon o' homemade beef and chicken stock in the freezer, with liquid amounts in the fridge, but pre/during/post easter we did a whole lotta large group prep and we somehow managed to run out our stock and we have not replenished our reserves... so, am using better than bullion for a bit, which is actual a solid substitute for reals. whatever flavours am missing by using better than bullion we may always perk up with appropriate seasoning, but the one thing even the best store bought stocks tend to be short o' is the the gelatin. the powdered and unflavoured gelatin, in small quantities, ain't so much added by us as a thickening agent but rather to provide depth. HA! Good Fun!

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reversed. the spaghetti monster is the death knell o' all things, the final but ultimate unreachable end of creation. HA! Good Fun!

2nd Amendment honks are terrible historians. even the scotus Justices got their heads screwed on wrong whenever history and firearms becomes the topic... which is just one reason why the alito draft opinion killing roe is so problematic. 'course to be fair, those who push gun legislation are also kinda horrible at history. there were a 2008 scotus decision (heller) which addressed gun control. curious, before 2008, nobody had done a comprehensive study o' gun ordinances and laws. no joke. were literal no comprehensive written history o' gun laws in this country. as it turns out, pre 1900ish, near all efforts to restrict firearms were indeed directed at gunpowder and ammunition 'stead o' guns themselves. when state and local did get around to final addressing guns, those governing bodies, through democratic process, chose draconian limitations as often as not. have mentioned previous the myth o' the lawless wild west towns. reality is most municipalities other than a few notable mining towns in ca and other far west states, enacted extreme limits on gun possession w/i city/town limits, and such remained the norm 'til 'round ww2. is hardly as if the founders o' the US enshrined the right to bear arms in the Constitution and only recent has the libs messed with the god given right o' gd to hoard weapons and ammo. the second amendment, for much o' history, were considered a limit only on the fed government and a rather insignificant limit at that precise 'cause ammo and gunpowder were the main target o' legislation efforts. 'course the folks who says US doesn't do anything 'bout guns is also history challenged. the 1994 assault weapon ban were curious simultaneous effective and pointless. firearms with attributes described in the ban became non factors almost overnight. the ban were extreme effective at getting ar-15 kinda weapons off the street. huzzah! however, is inconclusive as to whether mass shootings decreased and firearm related deaths overall changed not a bit, 'cause as has been stated frequent by this poster, handguns is what is the cause o' the overwhelming firearms death numbers in this country. btw, 'cause is an issue folks never wanna discuss, but suicides by firearm is overwhelming linked to handgun ownership. believe it or not but suicide is an act o' convenience and making the means by which a person would kill themselves even a bit less accessible has a significant impact on suicide numbers. more than 50% o' all firearm related deaths in the US is suicides. HA! Good Fun! ps: we loathe wiki links, but today am just too lazy to do better. anybody wanna criticize our weak-arse wiki links? will get zero pushback from us.

since we were thinking muppets, we got more o' the curious Gromnir brain linkages. paul williams is the guy who wrote (co-wrote) rainbow connection. we mock the 70s from time-to-time, but it is amazing the number o' quirky stars from that decade clear deserving o' their accolades who nevertheless woulda' had far more difficulty becoming famous at any other time since. side note: mr. williams is a guy who had a whole lotta rando tv appearances over the years. @Hurlsnot is possible gonna recall him from goliath. the trek fans maybe remember (or possible forget) williams were in an episode o' voyager where he curious played the leader o' a planet w/o music. etc. HA! Good Fun!

the rita moreno & muppets version is fun. HA! Good Fun!

canada is a nice place to live, but we wouldn't wanna visit. is there a tim horton's in wisconsin? am knowing there are locations in indiana, michigan, ohio and ny state. hit up a tim horton's and then rent strange brew or kids in the hall episodes. save yourself a trip. ... kinda/sorta kidding. we like montréal, especial the food scene. am suspecting the sex trade ain't gonna be a draw if you are taking a companion. HA! Good Fun! ps another alternative to road trip, exotica is an excellent canadian film, but not only does it carry the post weinstein miramax taint, it may be difficult to find a copy to rent.

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am maintaining our distance from ukraine specific discussion, however, we couldn't help but recall another uc berkeley talks event. long but worth a listen. now keep in mind am not suggesting the russian generals deserve to be fired. is tough to tell how much the fails o' the invasion is due to military blunders as 'posed to political interference and the russian culture o' kleptocracy. is also kinda weird how guys such as michael kofman constant warn us to not underestimate russian military based on the social media coverage o' ukraine while they simultaneous blast russian efforts thus far with more than a little frequency. is just one reason am keeping some distance from commentary 'cause many is generalizing, often self contradictory, 'bout situations which is ambiguous... save for stating obvious that the only way the original invasion made real sense is if russian leadership genuine believed the ukranians were just gonna roll over and effective surrender with little resistance, 'cause were nowhere near the manpower or the resources required to achieve meaningful successes assuming any kinda meaningful ukranian opposition. regardless, point is a willingness to fire generals were arguable a strength o' the ww2 era US military which has been lost. combat relief due to lack o' effectiveness or a refusal to be a team player were not career ending for a ww2 US combat commander-- leadership had "sixty-to-ninety days" to prove itself. in fact, in the linked video, is anecdotal examples offered o' commanders being relieved after three days. also, am gonna admit the linked video is 'bout generals firing generals and not so much civilian leadership doing so, but am gonna suggest a willingness to relieve combat commanders quick is not necessarily a problem. HA! Good Fun!

aside, for years we thought we disliked stephen king, until we read short stories. now admitted, is a whole lotta terrible stephen king short stories, but we were pleasant surprised by how much better king were in smaller portions. HA! Good Fun!

you identify/repeat the problem and not a solution. is overstatement and misleading to state that lies is believed the more they is repeated. no matter how many times Gromnir hears moon hoax claims, am not gonna be more likely to believe. am not the significant portion o' the population which already wants to believe the government would coverup a moon hoax and we got too much science-based education to fall for the outright misinformation. you are speaking o' lies which resonates with a significant portion o' the population 'cause o' biases or faith in the speaker. is those lies which gonna be believed even if is untrue. can't fix that with more truth or alternative lies. also, and have observed this curiosity more than once, but is distrust o' mainstream news and government which counter-intuitive results in the self described cynics glomping onto alternative and fringy sources. the more the mainstream news and government pushes back on the lies and disinformation, the more credible the lie becomes to the "significant" portion of the populace which wants to believe the lie. after all, the reasoning *snort* goes that the government wouldn't be pushing back so hard if there wasn't something to hide and the faceless and soulless government is precise the kinda organization which could fabricate chem trails or seth rich and then manage a believable coverup. prove such lies ain't true, eh? lies which resonate is credible to a significant portion o' the population 'cause we educated previous generations poorly and have now replaced reflection and cynicism with faith-based political beliefs and fear inspired ideology as sold by folks such as tucker carlson. to be fair, is not as if ignorance is a new problem. the situation we face in 2022 is no different than the mid 1800s or 1920s or whenever save for changes in tech. the internet and social media makes it much easier for the disenchanted, fearful and angry to find sources on the internet which resonate. lies proliferate so much faster nowadays and those who embrace quackery and lies no longer feel marginalized by embracing their crackpot beliefs 'cause is always experts somewhere on the net who agree with them. heck, we even had a President, an unrepentant fabulist, spewing national enquirer quality bs, which further legitimized for the "significant" portion of the populace," that their ignorance were in fact the last best hope for preserving democracy and the american way o' life... but not real democracy or american life as it ever existed for reals, but rather the convenient fairytales sold by skeevy politicians and infotainers. if there is a solution to the problem o' disinformation other than real education we ain't seen it, and education takes time and bipartisan commitment. HA! Good Fun!

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solutions is all long-term and unfortunate is gonna be as much if not more resistance to real solutions 'cause they involves education, and education is current a bugaboo for elements on both sides o' the aisle but particular for the maga crowd. with US first amendment, you are not gonna stop the flow o' disinformation. solutions has gotta instead be dedicated to teaching the public to discern disinformation and how to choose more reliable options w/o ignoring fact even reliable options for info is gonna be wrong 'cause o' biases (willful and unconscious) as well as simple mistake. we recent read a couple scholar linked articles offered in this thread. am not gonna call out specific, but the sources offered were terrible, but you wouldn't know they were terrible unless you bothered to read not only the sources offered but a few o' the linked sources the articles used as support. follow chain and realize the authors use a single judge taking bribes from a local private run juveniles facility to support the notion that law enforcement is active supporting privatization efforts is kinda a suspect basis for a generalized claim, no? bunch o' such examples, but who is gonna read what appears to be legit academic sources, eh? worse, we got the folks who cannot discern reputable sources from reliable. as already noted, no source deserves your complete faith, but the conspiracy-minded folks is quick to dismiss those news sources which do not conform to their own personal biases. why? well, look how many times ________ and _________ reported wrong. *sigh* saw this with the russian invasion o' ukraine invasion stuff. if ___________ reports that "pentagon sources say," and the pentagon source ends up being wrong, then is not a situation where _________ were wrong and unreliable, but rather the reader didn't have enough intelligence to realize that unnamed pentagon resources is not particular reliable given obscurity and uncertainty which comes with the fog o' war. readers need be smart... more smarty. regardless, just 'cause a so-called reliable source is run by libs or conservatives don't make 'em wrong, unfortunate we got a populace so distrustful o' news in general that any source which do not resonate with the reader will be dismissed outta hand. is also true major news outlets which provide news daily or even 24/7 is gonna be wrong from time-to-time. *feigned shock* nevertheless, the folks who argue in favour o' their skeevy state-run sources or fringey conspiracy blogs will focus anecdotal on the times major and reputable sources got wrong and ignore how their preferred sources is orders o' magnitude less reliable particular when a relevant issue is related to an obvious bias o' the source. first step o' education is the most difficult: help people understand their own biases and how those biases colour their perceptions. regardless, the real solutions all involve teaching kids to be better than us. decades long approach to fixing disinformation. decades long fixes is not political popular. explain how the real solutions to biggest problems is generational, taking many years to provide meaningful results is never gonna sell in a democratic republic. each new Congress or Presidential administration is gonna have their own priorities and is rare generational fixes survive. is much easier and is providing a better political payoff to end those useless and anti-liberty government programs initiated by they and them from the previous Congress or the former President than it is to commit to long-term solutions. HA! Good Fun!