Gromnir

double, but the michigan board o' o' state canvassers is streaming live... if delayed. https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/will-michigan-certify-election-results/6388530002/ is s'posed at least one republican holdout, but am not even gonna try and make a prediction. HA! Good Fun!

indeed. hardly the laundry list o' reputable sources which suggested there were more than lawrence. we end as we began-- your speculation backed by nothing save your belief that they are all bad. no evidence whatsoever that the lawrence issue were other than a blunder by folks other than clinton as well as kinda compelling evidence the democrats o' the day did not support the sale of plots for donors scheme you claimed. whole lotta nothing... save one dead rat who faced the ultimate indignity, albeit in death. this will not be the last time gd speculates and adds facts to his recollection to reach a conclusion which is little more than a minor variation on the, they are all bad theme you have embraced beyond reason. even when sources you supply reject your stated position, you tighten your grip on the basic premise that shapes too many o' your posts in this thread. am here with the rolled up newspaper. will be here next time too. HA! Good Fun!

what reputable news sources? the actual reputable news sources point out how there were no proof o' wrongdoing and even the veterans groups which were initial angered relented and admitted error... as we quoted from the tampa article. so, one guy who lied to the folks in charge o' granting waivers (not clinton) and were subsequent disinterred. no support that democrats defended the policy o' selling arlington plots as you claimed. no support for any claim you initial made save that one guy, not granted a waiver by clinton, were a donor to democrat political causes and when his perfidy were uncovered, his wife dug up his bones and moved 'em to california. hardly the equivalency you were trying to craft, eh? gd is indulging in trump's "some people say," nonsense. alt-right radio or his own wishful thinking has him creating whataboutism nonsense and then misrepresenting articles to prove a point he should not have made w/o double-checking facts. bad gd, bad. HA! Good Fun! ps gd should read actual sources he supplied rather than simple attempting to compile a list which looks better than a single source. https://www.deseret.com/1997/11/20/19346658/did-clinton-sell-plots-in-military-cemeteries "The president and this administration consider Arlington National Cemetery and other national and veterans cemeteries across the country to be hallowed ground," White House special counsel Lanny Davis said. "It would be outrageous for anyone to grant or influence the granting of exceptions under the rules for burial at national cemeteries because of political or fund-raising considerations." Davis said a report to be published in the Dec. 8 issue of Insight magazine, a publication of The Washington Times, was "based on anonymous sources and innuendo, not the facts." the entire kerfuffle started 'cause o' an insight magazine article which relied on an anonymous source for details. not washington times & insight magazine. nothing wrong with anonymous sources, but the only additional reporting failed to find any evidence which were incriminating. the desert news and tampa bay articles don't genuine support your position and they offer not even a suggestion there were indeed additional political donors who were unjust granted waivers.

@Guard Dog clinton waivers... not clinton term. the us military independent granted waivers. from an article you selective (bad gd. bad.) reference: "The waivers granted by Clinton were to former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall and to Elvera Burger, widow of retired Chief Justice Warren Burger. A third was to a District of Columbia police officer and Marine veteran killed in the line of duty, and the fourth to a Drug Enforcement Administration agent and Army veteran killed while on a mission in Peru." the fifth were a subsequent tax court judge. "Several veterans groups said they were satisfied by the secretary's explanation and added that they regretted the anger the accusations had caused among thousands of veterans. ""It would appear that the anonymous accusations that have been floating around were unfounded," said John F. Sommer, executive director of the American Legion." btw, when it were discovered ambassador lawrence had lied 'bout military service, he were disinterred from arlington. so find us the democrats who were supporting the notion o' political favors for arlington. so far your list o' political donors who maybe got the arlington treatment from clinton is reduced to one, and even he ain't actual in arlington. am getting the newspaper ready again, 'cause gd never learns. HA! Good Fun!

am suspecting you know the answer to your own question. the founders would suggest you has inverted the problem. seeing as how the US (1787) doesn't have any standing armies or a navy, the requirement o' military service as a prerequisite to the office o' the Presidency is bordering on paradox. 'course on a more basic level, you are making a suggestion which helped get heinlein labeled, inappropriate we would suggest, as a fascist. btw, your clinton story is bogus. clinton granted five arlington waivers: a SCOTUS Justice, a member o' the US Tax Court, a dea agent and army vet killed in peru, a washington dc police officer and marine veteran killed while on duty... and the wife of a SCOTUS Justice, but not the same Justice we mentioned earlier in the list. the political donors story were right-wing media shlock which gained traction with a fringe element o' 1997ish conservatives and am suspecting has been resurrected as a predictable flavour o' whataboutism. no proof were ever supplied for the late 90s story and is hardly as if democrats at the time were defending-- most all democrats were suggesting your story were complete bs as 'posed to supporting clinton for his granting o' political favours. that said, am thinking it were wrong for clinton to have granted his five waivers. weren't as if he were the first President to do so, but the sanctity o' arlington is diluted if tax court judges who never served in the military, much less combat, is being buried in arlington. although the "wife of _________," situation is a bit fuzzy 'cause o' the extreme long tradition o' spouses being interred with previously deceased combat vets. ... am waiting for gd to realize that getting his facts from alt-right radio shows will result in the rolled newspaper treatment from Gromnir almost every time. HA! Good Fun!

turkey is kinda meh, but we like the other stuff. we got 'bout a dozen sweet potato recipes we rotate through and a half dozen brussel sprout options. dressing (stuffing) appeals to us as a quixotic endeavour-- why would anyone let bread become stale, dampen with a fluid and then try and bake it into goodness? we have a handful o' dressing/stuffing options we actual do enjoy but am rare having an excuse to use during +11 months of the year. oh, and we like cranberries. admitted, w/o a considerable amount o' sweet, cranberries is vile. orange and apple both compliment cranberries well. mashed potatoes ain't our thing, but spuds is extreme versatile. is a yukon gold and brussel sprout combo we use 'round thanksgiving. is a cast iron pan recipe where we fondant the potatoes for extra crispy goodness. most o' the flavor comes from scotch whiskey and a bit o' balsamic. am also admitting that we have become much better at making gravies in the last decade or so. good gravy will make even white meat turkey appetizing. nevertheless, am gonna enjoy having an excuse this year to not multi-day prepare and cook for thanksgiving. HA! Good Fun!

is fitting that a bad scene from a bad movie offers our best answer to gorth's query. HA! Good Fun!

'cause we were just talking 'bout sydney... ... am a creative and outside-the-box thinker, but we could not have crafted a plausible outcome for the trump campaign legal efforts which matches the reality... and is not over. HA! Good Fun! ps for some reason we cannot get the "hello, sidney," phone call from scream outta our head. am suspecting the judge brann reference to frankenstein didn't help.

one thing to keep in mind as we laugh at the ineptitude o' the trump campaign lawyers is that the buzzsaw o' precedent is indiscriminate. nevertheless the law's capacity for carnage is more sinister and inequitable when it is mauling your team, yes? equal protection claims brought forth by the trump campaign were stretching credulity as the remedy sought were the disenfranchisement o' literal millions o' voters. no excuse. would be laughable 'cept for fact trump is actual attempting to achieve such an end. however, please keep in mind that the fundamental standing issues which doomed trump co are the same used for decades to maintain the obstacles many minority groups must overcome to exercise their right to vote. we justifiable mock sydney powell and her conspiracy theories involving dead venezuelan leaders, but equal protection claims recognizing unfair mail-in-voting requirements is far more likely gonna be advanced by historical marginalized populations than by national reelection campaigns. that buzzsaw we mentioned is no less brutal when it carves up claims made by your guys, whomever your guys might be. am not suggesting we cut giuliani and trump co any slack as they continue to make public claims which cannot be supported in court. in fact, am a bit baffled by the lack o' judges willing to sanction lawyers for many o' the more frivolous lawsuits we has seen brought on behalf o' the trump campaign. the thing is, too many today cheering the courts for defending justice and right don't genuine understand the court decisions they is quoting or sharing. am suspecting in the near future when same judges use same reasoning and precedent to keep rural blacks and reservation indians from making a voting related equal protection claim in court, those laughing today will be incensed by the naked villainy and overt discrimination o' these conservative judges. that said, HA! Good Fun!

seventy-five years ago today. Jackson were the SCOTUS Justice who literal left what would be his hospital deathbed to make brown v. board unanimous, and his opinion in korematsu were arguable the most important dissenting opinion by a Justice during the 20th century.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf pa is a curious state. once there is certification, there is not the same kinda legislative option for nullification which is possible in michigan and wisconsin. short o' SCOTUS review, which is increasing unlikely, we fail to see plausible options left to overturn the results in pennsylvania, which makes many remaining trump campaign efforts in other states approaching moot. arizona and nv is functional out o' reach. georgia has the recount, but am not seeing that as a legit option for the trump campaign to pursue. with the post election legal efforts, trump were not attempting to reach 270 but rather were looking to prevent biden from reaching 270-- force Congress to determine. 'course the real reason for continued fight over unwinnable battles is likely the fundraising which it generates. 75% o' money raised in the name o' legal battle is now going to trump's leadership pac. (started 50% and were then increased to 60%.) trump efforts appears to be poor disguised grift, flimflammery which is nevertheless supported by the GOP leadership and by true believers too ignorant to know they is cheerful buying snake oil. HA! Good Fun!

Wait time at In-N-Out grand opening in Aurora hits staggering 14 hours am recommending shady orders a "double-double, animal style." regardless, even if you do not want the full animal style treatment, "mustard grilled" or "mustard fried" is, in our mind, a necessary addition. when ordering an in-n-out burger, always ask for meat to be mustard grilled/fried... an unnecessary additional demand as is standard when asking for animal style. congratulations to colorado. HA! Good Fun! ps, the in-n-out fries kinda such. we ordinarily ask for our fries to be "well done" but honestly this don't make 'em much better. am understanding you can order 'em "light well," but have never ordered this way. typical we skip fries altogether. animal style fries is kinda tasty, but is honest too much for us if am already ordering a double-double.

the stockton mayor who were championing ubi in his city just lost his reelection bid. 10 points. disappointing, particular as ubi appears to be what led to michael tubbs defeat.

we mentioned earlier how a republican in north dakota who were running on an anti-covid restriction platform died o' covid-19 and nevertheless got elected over a fellow republican and a democrat. senator elect from alabama, tommy tuberville thinks the US fought ww2 to end socialism and identified the three branches o' US fed government as the senate, house and executive. oh, and before we laugh too hard at tommy's error and the stoopidity o' the folks in alabama for voting him into office, consider the following: link "During a livestream earlier in the day, Ocasio-Cortez said Democrats should "work our butts off to make sure that we take back all three chambers of Congress — rather, all three chambers of government: the presidency, the Senate and the House."" no pass for a few ca voters neither we get the government we deserve. oh, and am gonna once again observe how important is education. an ignorant electorate is the single greatest threat to a democratic republic. HA! Good Fun!

@Hurlshot may be relieved to hear that 'ccording to a recent reuters poll, only 68% o' republicans believe the election were rigged. as such, can assume something better than 45 million trump voters saw rampant fraud in spite o' lack o' evidence. unfortunate, given the large number o' americans who didn't vote, that likely means many million additional people believe the vote were rigged with the vast majority o' those believing trump were screwed. has us back in the 70 million range? oh, and yang were math challenged. tax amazon and create a universal transaction tax (unconstitutional) were never gonna work and woulda' needed implausible bipartisan Congressional support... and amazon woulda' needed become much, Much bigger. ubi were not executive order fodder. francis townsend, back in the 1930s, had promoted a similar scheme o' national taxation and his efforts actual helped many people in the real world. yang never did adequate explain how ubi were gonna affect those current receiving benefits such as disability, ssi and obamacare as those is income sensitive. would never have seen ubi under yang. is a shame too 'cause while ubi in the US were not a new idea, it deserved serious reflection as 'posed to the yang treatment it received. most western nations where ubi experiments has been attempted has seen those experiments fail or discontinued. finland, canada and multiple us cities has tried ubi and the results has been educational but wins is hard to identify. (stockton, ca is worth monitoring) however, considering the economic trends only exacerbated by covid, ubi should be getting more attention. automation is only gonna increase and ai is gonna eventual cut into white collar jobs requiring advanced degrees. ubi were/is a worthy idea. deserved better than yang with his misleading "math" pin. serious, nobody who went the ba route for their economics degree should be able to claim they love math w/o being mocked. HA! Good Fun! ps another rudy article https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/when-applying-normal-scrutiny-rudy-giulianis-court-appearance-was-a-total-flop/ When pressed by the judge on what standard of scrutiny should be applied to Pennsylvania government’s action, Giuliani replied: “The normal one.” The response inspired widespread derision from the legal community, where attorneys and others knew the answer exposed the Trump lawyer as unfamiliar with rational basis review, intermediate scrutiny, and strict scrutiny. Giuliani even acknowledged, later in the hearing, that he did not know what strict scrutiny meant. ... is tough to explain how comical bad were rudy

old, white and privileged cheating at golf is, well, par for the course.'course trump has been seen driving 'cross greens with a golf cart, which is sacrilegious. is not a pro-am, so is not as if trump would be playing in the President's cup. oh, and gd numbers for election results is from when? example: current vote gap in pennsylvania is 82,092. so, jorgenson votes, even if all went to trump, wouldn't have been enough in pa. HA! Good Fun!

gonna go out on a limb and guess you will be waiting a long time. https://apnews.com/f10420da35394d30b37d69ec27be6bb6 trump's brand is that he is an outsider. even if the ex presidents, not to be confused with the point break crew, were to meet for an event, am doubtful trump would join... unless the occasion were designed to glorify trump. ... perhaps the President's Cup golf tournament... maybe. HA! Good Fun!

one reason biden won this year is 'cause o' how he turned the independent vote... which is the catchall to which libertarians is relegated. something like a +12 margin among independents for biden. more independents, including libertarians, voted biden than jorgenson. gd sees libertarians when he looks in the mirror. fail. 'course Gromnir is a fiscal conservative who identifies libertarian on fundamental rights issues. near 1/3 o' arizona voters is independents (literal 33%) with a significant portion having voted for biden in a state where independents were much approving o' john mccain. az has many libertarians. +25 biden among independents in az. mcsally and trump were killed by independents, including libertarians, and the lion's share o' those independents voted for biden... not jorgenson. (aside: democrats need to learn that latinos is not a monolithic voting bloc. national average for latinos remained at +33 for democrats, but in az, tx, fl and elsewhere in the south and southwest, latinos, particular in battleground counties, favored republicans. some o' this peculiarity were due to covid. democrats relied on digital media this year and that is a fail with much o' the latino population, but covid don't account complete for the shift o' many latinos to a harder red identification... and the progressives better wake up to this fact and others or 2022 is gonna be ugly.) and keep in mind how last presidential cycle gd were bragging 'bout how many total votes the libertarian candidate received national. just the start o' a new renaissance for libertarians if we were to believe gd. *snort* not only were johnson totals functional insignificant and far short o' what ross perot managed, but jorgenson and spike cohen didn't fare near as well as johnson in spite o' fact it were a more contentious election with far more voters showing up at the polls. 2020 were seeing a % decrease for libertarian candidate in 2020... so if we take gd's 2016 reasoning and extrapolate... inconvenient facts is not gd's friend. spike cohen is the guy on the left in the picture. Libertarians Decide to Become a Joke in 2020 "And so, when running for the veep nomination, Cohen trumped Supreme’s free-pony promise (politicians promise people everything, you see) with an extra offer of free cheesy bread and Waffle Houses on every corner. He also added to Supreme’s long-standing pledge to fund time-travel research and then go back to kill Baby Adolf Hitler with a pledge to kill Baby Woodrow Wilson, too." cohen is another inconvenient fact for gd. independents, including libertarians, is most often playing the role o' spoiler IF they have any impact at all. democrat or republican or more democrat or republican is a a pleasant fantasy for gd which doesn't match reality. is a vote against the incumbent. gd, as is typical, sees what he wishes to and ignores the inconvenient facts. oh, and Gromnir is not half-orc. that were a bioware joke 'cause so many assumed on the boards we were doing a half-orc schtick. gaider made the tob Gromnir a half-orc for funsies. ... for those interested in what happened yesterday in pennsylvania. https://www.thedailybeast.com/giuliani-rants-about-mickey-mouse-and-voter-fraud-in-hearing-on-trump-suit At times, Giuliani even seemed unfamiliar with the campaign’s legal filings: in the midst of reading the word “opacity” from the Trump camp’s complaints, he admitted he did not know what it meant. “It’s a big word, your honor,” Giuliani said. am gonna admit that given how terrible were the day for giuliani, am surprised the judge gave the plaintiffs an opportunity to amend their complaint, but perhaps rudy's complete bumbling incompetence actual served a purpose as the ex-mayor were not actual arguing relevant +50% o' the time. the judge had difficulty squaring the hearing with the complaint and so offered the amendment option... which will drag this out at least 'til friday. oh, and the audio from the hearing were horrible. twice were the feed entire dropped but even when working properly, we were only able to hear 'bout 50%. is not a name you are likely to recognize, but uzoma nkwonta were fantastic for the dnc yesterday. am not knowing much 'bout him but this is clear an oversight on our part. sure, rudy were an ez target, but mr. nkwonta delivered a beatdown reminiscent o' the first bane v batman fight from dark knight rises.... although unlike bane, mr. nkwonta did not sound like auric goldfinger with a mouth full of marbles. oh, and we did warn people 'bout michigan, yes? the wayne county kerfuffle yesterday may very well be replicated at the state level 'cause state certification has same 2 democrat +2 republican composition. HA! Good Fun!

peer gynt is the unapologetic narcissist and liar who follows the advice o' the troll king, wisdom which actual belonged to shakespeare by way o' polonius-- "to thine own self be true." keep in mind, polonius were not advising self-reflection and moral integrity. to read thus is a modern perversion o' the original meaning. in this one instance, trolls, and the modern day equivalent sitting behind the resolute desk, better understand polonius than do modern audiences. look out for number one. regardless, in the hall of the mountain king is the music we hear when we reflect on 2020. ... and the line rider bit is kinda nifty too. HA! Good Fun!

quick update on the recent redlined pennsylvania election case-- plaintiffs is on their third set o' lawyers in less than a week and the most recent team's request for a continuance 'cause they only joined today were denied by the fed court. with less than a full day o' prep, a legal team headed by marc scarinigi needs resuscitate the trump campaign's expiring efforts in pa. third set o' lawyers? one week? ... is no way we could imagine a charlie fox scenario like the one we are seeing evolve. what trump and his minions is doing is dangerous for democracy as +72 million people aren't aware o' the haphazard and crackpot nature o' the efforts to overturn election results. +72 million people believe trump and lindsey graham. at this moment there is reason to be concerned 'bout the lengths/depth trump loyalists will go to undermine faith in the electoral process. we have all witnessed how there is no rubicon which the trump campaign will refuse to cross, yes? however, from a pure objective pov, the legal efforts to change the election results is comical. assuming gd does not get his wish o' the federal government imploding, it won't be long after january 20, 2021 before a bestselling book is written 'bout the 2020 Presidential election as well as the efforts o' trump and rudy giuliani to gaslight america and beat math. the book will be comic. farce. we simple need hold out a bit longer and perhaps pray harder... this is all gonna look hilarious in a few years and at such point is gonna be difficult to explain to people how real and reasonable were the fear. sure, we will be stuck with trumpism for some time to come, but is less than a month before the electoral college safe harbor deadline is reached. the finish line is in sight. HA! Good Fun!

that changes january 21, 2021. we did not mention a wisconsin fed lawsuit previous 'cause it were only kinda/sorta a lawsuit... and now it ain't even a schrodinger thought experiment. lawyers filed an election fraud fed lawsuit w/o any supporting affidavits or factual support but claimed the missing meat would be forthcoming. we were kinda waiting for the forthcoming. were much akin to the pa lawsuit which is attempting to invalidate mail-in ballots en masse, but again, were making no offering o' proof. forthcoming never happened and this morning the wi lawsuit were voluntarily dismissed by plaintiffs. not related to any lawsuit, but almost as funny... trump as homelander kinda works... though need make fat, orange and take away all homelander superpowers and replace with a sorta knock-off maxwell lord mind control which only affects americans who is white and working class. HA! Good Fun!

quick legal update: y'know how the trump campaign has been complaining 'bout the inability o' their people to material observe the ballot counting process in philadelphia? has been many tweets from trump proclaiming how such interference were affecting hundreds of thousands o' ballots and that such behaviour were illegal and unconstitutional. well, the trump campaign redlined their lawsuit and removed any mention o' republicans being denied a meaningful opportunity to observe the ballot counting in pennsylvania. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ev6nac59w8lc4mk/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.125.1.pdf?dl=0 so... what remains in pennsylvania is an argument over the curing o' mail-in ballots. affects a relative small number o' ballots... nowhere near the 68k vote differential. m00t. the ballot curing bit is kinda a curious argument but is not complete w/o merit, save for recognition o' m00tness and fact a fed judge reviewed nominal the same issue earlier and were extreme reluctant to disenfranchise voters based on what amounted to red counties choosing not to use an option available to all counties. is not a fraud issue, but there were a ballot curing process put in place which many predominant blue counties took advantage o' in limited numbers. almost no red counties used the ballot curing option. the argument is that there is an equal protection claim resulting as different voters in different places in the state were treated different. am tending to believe this is also an example o' a lawsuit which should be disallowed by laches. the ballot curing methods in montgomery and philadelphia is not new in 2020. republicans knew 'bout the ballot curing methods previous to the election and chose not to question 'em at the time. wait 'til after the election to raise the issue is gonna be getting the skunk eye from many/most judges particular as the result would potential disenfranchise somewhere between a few hundred and a thousand voters statewide. the equal protection claim related to curing o' mail-in ballots is not a complete frivolous lawsuit... save for recognition o' it being moot. ... what is still on the table? in michigan there remains a fed lawsuit, but the near identical state lawsuit were already dismissed, and the fed option is weaker. so other than fanciful dominion voting machines conspiracy theories, which ain't actual been the subject o' a lawsuit, am curious to see what new theory the trump campaign could advance at this late date. HA! Good Fun! ps there is one additional pa case we didn't mention in the 'bove post. we have referenced previous how the trump campaign is arguing the entire balance o' pennsylvania mail-in-ballots should be disallowed... 'cause? ultimate hail mary as the state legislature voted in favor o' the expansion o' mail-in-ballots earlier this year. is not as if the secretary o' state or governor unilateral implemented. would not be shocked if this lawsuit were withdrawn monday.

fyi, heritage has a curious definition o'"recent." forty years. 1298 state and fed instances o' voter fraud in forty years. literal billions o' ballots. HA! Good Fun!

https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html 0 ballots left to count. more bad legal news for trump, and not even election related. Federal judge invalidates DACA suspension Driving the news: Wolf issued a memo in late July that said DHS would no longer accept new DACA applications and would limit renewals, pending a review of the program. The move came despite the June Supreme Court ruling that said the Trump administration violated federal law when it ended the program, which offers protections from deportation for roughly 649,000 immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children. judge garaufus was not amused. the wolf memo goes in the round file. particular noteworthy were footnote 11: "because the court finds the gaynor order had no legal effect, it does not find it significant that the government is now confused as to whether the order was issued after mr. wolf was nominated to be secretary on september 10, 2020-as it originally claimed-or before. the court wishes the government well in trying to find its way out of this self-made thicket." HA! Good Fun!

tommy tuberville, the senator-elect from alabama who is unable to identify the three branches o' US fed government, unsurprising is confused 'bout the legality o' soliciting campaign donations on fed property. TCS: You gonna go campaign in Georgia, help them out? CTT: Oh, yeah. I’ll go over there at least a week or two and campaign myself, along with a lot of people in my former campaign staff. We’re raising money for them, the whole caucus is. You know, I had my first caucus meeting yesterday and Vice President Pence was there and spoke to us about the next two months. I got to get up and introduce myself and tell everybody, you know, why I’m here and what I want try to get done. It was very good, had a lot of good reception. Of course, setting up an office to work. Right now, it’s a temporary office. Now, it is five rooms, it’s huge, there in the Dirksen Building. But it’s something that gives you somewhere to work out of, whether it’s interviewing, whether it’s fundraising like we’ll do for Georgia. It gives you a place to work. So, anyway, I got it up and running and I got a couple on my transition team that are going to be on my staff at some level once we get this thing going full speed. But they’re all setting it up. I’m back in Auburn today and I’ll be back there most of next week handling all the major interviews for the top-tier positions. ... this kinda thing is not a grey area as far as illegal is concerned. HA! Good Fun!