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*sigh* you do realize that the claim 'bout needing rebuild almost all housing were part o' that original "farting cow" blunder filled draft that aoc and others admitted were not meant to be released. actual language from the green new deal were for, "upgrading virtually every home and building for energy efficiency." am thinking most is aware we are critical o' aoc and her frequent "stealing bread" stoopid. am not certain why people are so quick to make excuse for aoc mistakes. release o' the original green new deal were only one such mistake. however, is unfair to hold her to the retracted draft. serious. fact check. HA! Good Fun!

the assume they are all liars presumption didn't last long 'round here, eh? predictable false indignation and hypocrisy. HA! Good Fun!

Joint Chiefs call riot a ‘direct assault’ on the constitutional process, affirm Biden as next commander in chief “As service members, we must embody the values and ideals of the nation,” the Joint Chiefs said. “We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.” the joint chiefs of staff release a statement which includes a warning against acts of sedition by military personnel. the joint chiefs felt the need to make such a statement and make it public. so, is this situation serious yet?

well, that was quick FBI report warned of ‘war’ at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence “As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to ‘unlawful lockdowns’ to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.,” the document says. “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” will be interesting to see how far up the food chain such intelligence went. HA! Good Fun!

@IndiraLightfoot the problem is the brandenburg test we mentioned earlier. am thinking is ez to show trump's speech at his rally and his behaviours after constitutes negligence, but 'cause is speech, particular political speech even if outrageous, a court is gonna apply brandenburg. if this were not a political speech case where a speaker is accused o' encouraging an individual (mob of individuals) to break the law or do harm to another, we might be able to get around brandenburg. there has been a couple cases where individuals following the advice o' tv or radio personalities do something inane, or foolish which led to the injury/death o' another and the speech o' the disc jockey/tv pundit were not protected. were no social interest in preserving the speaker's interest simply 'cause the harm they caused were the result o' speech rather than actions. however, is tough to see a standard adopted other than brandenburg unless somebody gets creative in a way we do not foresee. trump's speech, assuming it is negligent, would be creating liability precisely 'cause he were convincing his minions to do harm and/or engage in illegal activity. the self pardon aspect from our earlier video clip post is noteworthy. admissions is always relevant and even overcome the hearsay exception when applicable. if trump pardons self to try and avoid criminal liability, then he may make himself more vulnerable to civil. functional admission. most significant, though not strict speaking a matter o' law, a cop is dead. that makes a difference. this is a situation where most members o' a jury is gonna wanna punish somebody. show proof know beforehand 'bout dangers. we would be surprised if intelligence agencies didn't include in a written briefing the dangers surrounding his rally and the possibility o' violence, but that is just conjecture. trump says inappropriate things all the time. get a witness to share what amounts to an admission or what would amount to trump's state of mind at rally or immediate after is gonna be damning on multiple levels. we can see impeachment affecting civil cases. technical there is no 5th amendment right against self incrimination in an impeachment unless Congress says there is, and am doubting democrat Congress goes far to protect trump. have an impeachment trial after trump leaves office and he won't be able to claim any sorta protections o' the office and there won't be some kinda national security concern which would prevent him from being grilled for hours on end on the floor o' the senate for all the world to see... which may not be a good thing as could be a national embarrassment. having seen and heard and read trump depositions, am only imagining what kinda stoopid trump will say when cross examined by some o' the more skilled ex-prosecutors in the senate. wait to pursue a civil cause o' action until after an impeachment trial 'cause trump is gonna say stuff you wouldn't be able to get through interrogatories or depositions. am not a tort guy per se, but our initial inclination is that if am considering a civil case, we would wait to see if there is an impeachment trial. let Congress do the heavy lifting. HA! Good Fun! ps from a practical pov, if trump cannot dismiss, then he does everything possible to settle.

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a minor quibble. the goal were to prevent biden from achieving 270 electoral votes. if neither trump or biden achieved the requisite 270, then there is a mechanic by which Congress could insert itself into the contest meant to be resolved by the states and decide the Presidential election themselves. one vote per state. at the moment, there are more red states. far more significant than the pga deciding not to have trump courses host their golf events, Deutsche Bank to Pull Back From Business With Trump and His Company The German lender has decided not to conduct any further business with Trump and his company, said two people with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified because the deliberations were confidential. Trump owes the Frankfurt-based lender more than $300 million. Signature Bank, the New York lender that’s long catered to his family, is closing two personal accounts in which Trump held about $5.3 million, a spokesperson for the firm said on Monday. It’s also calling for the president to step aside before his term officially ends on Jan. 20. oh, and... HA! Good Fun!

there has been no actual litigated claims of voter fraud in pennsylvania since one postal employee retracted a fraud claim after admitting they had no firsthand knowledge o' such. the current issue related to pennsylvania is kinda peculiar given what were demanded by those objecting to the electoral count on january 6 in Congress. the criticism o' pennsylvania is that the law passed overwhelming by the pennsylvania legislature back in october o' 2019, in spite o' a gop majority, was unconstitutional because it expanded mail-in-voting and the argument is that the pennsylvania constitution forbids such an expansion. as you might imagine, the pennsylvania legislators who authored and voted on their new voting law debated its constitutionality in 2019. no republicans sought to challenge the new law after it were signed by the govenor nor even after the pennsylvania primaries. weren't until after trump appeared to lose the election that gop lawmakers complained 'bout act 77. in point o' fact, the delay in bringing their case was the fatal flaw in their claim and such is the basis for gop fed senator complaints... as odd as that may sound. laches, which we has mentioned more than once, were basis for denying relief to the gop. so this is one situation where those trump followers is correct that a case was never decided on the merits. 'cause the pennsylvania gop cannot succesful bring a case on the merits until the next election, senators hawley and cruz figured they could make it a federal issue? regardless, in spite o' the protests 'bout fraud, is not actual a fraud issue. the thing is, there just isn't a basis for federal legislators or courts to intervene. all the fundamental republican values o' state's rights and federalism got lost somewhere during the past four years, but regardless, there just isn't a basis for US Congressmen to interfere with the state laws or court decisions o' pennsylvania particular when it comes to an already completed election. would never survive a SCOTUS challenge. now perhaps Congress could pass some kinda comprehensive voter rights law which would affect future federal elections, if such a law were narrow tailored so as to be Constitutional. the thing is, the process o' counting o' electoral votes doesn't offer a mechanic for creating such ad hoc legislation. and yes, flipping two states would not give trump a win, which is why the renegade senators were objecting to arizona and other states as well. the thing is, what hawley and cruz were seeking would not have changed the election even if it were granted. in spite o' the Constitutional demand for Congress to count the votes sent to them by states, ('cause, y'know, federalism,) the aforementioned hucksters were demanding a ten day audit o' state voting practices (georgia had multiple audits and THREE recounts alone) would not have resulted in a change in the election results. unlike the 1876 election when there was indeed a question as to the legitimacy o' state governments, with multiple legislatures sending electoral vote certificates to the US Congress, the 2020 election resulted in each state sending a single electoral count to Congress. the january 6 objections by republicans were theatre, which in and of itself is hardly unique. is frequent a handful o' Congressmen who object to the electoral college counts just so they may go on the record and get national attention for whaterver is their issue. is ordinarily a bit o' harmless political theatre and everybody is aware the objections ain't meant to change the election results. 2021 were different. were not just harmless theatre. numerous Congressmen and the President had convinced millions that hawley, cruz and/or pence could change the results o' the election on January 6. tens o' thousands responded to the President's call to come to washington on january 6. and many thousands responded to trump's call to arms when they stormed the capitol with hundreds screaming for pence's head as they broke down doors and assaulted police. btw, yesterday, eight of the remaining potential election cases SCOTUS has been ignoring were having requests for expediency denied w/o explanation. is only two other cases the Court could choose to consider and those is the pa sequestered votes which could not alter the outcome o' the election anyways. as o' january 20, all the cases become moot, so... the most egregious cases o' fraud related to the most recent presidential election were committed after the election.

Six hours of paralysis: Inside Trump’s failure to act after a mob stormed the Capitol The president, too, ended his speech with an exhortation, urging the crowd to give Republicans “the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” “So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue,” he concluded. Trump, however, did not join the angry crowd surging toward the Capitol. Instead, he returned to the White House, where at 2:24 p.m. he tapped out a furious tweet railing against Vice President Pence, who in a letter earlier in the day had made clear that he planned to fulfill his constitutional duties and certify President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris as the winners of the 2020 electoral college vote. “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,” he wrote. “USA demands the truth!” By then, West Wing staffers monitoring initial videos of the protesters on TV and social media were already worried that the situation was escalating and felt that Trump’s tweet attacking Pence was unhelpful. ... Amid the chaos, D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) had implemented a 6 p.m. curfew for the city, and as darkness fell, the Secret Service told West Wing staff that, save for an essential few, everyone had to leave the White House and go home. At 6:01 p.m., Trump blasted out yet another tweet, which Twitter quickly deleted and which many in his orbit were particularly furious about, fearing he was further inflaming the still-tense situation. “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so ­unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” Trump wrote. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!” HA! Good Fun!

Bill Belichick Says He Won’t Accept Medal of Freedom From Trump After Capitol Riot “Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for prior recipients,” Belichick said in a statement. “Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award.” HA! Good Fun!

regardless o' the dc, personnel issues is gonna be the biggest concern for the dallas defense during the off-season. situation were terrible for nolan. covid-19 hits and a new dc from outside the organization attempts to change the defensive scheme including new nomenclature with the benefit o' far fewer practices than would be ordinary available. a couple key injuries further stymied efforts, but injuries is predictable. 'course once nolan lost the confidence o' the team, were no chance to fix problems. nolan had to go. so, bring in a new dc with decent defensive pedigree who will once again change the scheme while facing numerous (likely) personnel changes due to fa moves as well as need deal with similar covid restrictions as last year lasting deep into summer (reduced) practices. also, the dallas defense doesn't have the kinda interior d-line presence quinn enjoyed in seattle, and am not sure fa and the draft will be transformative. am kinda liking neville gallimore potential, but less so with quinn's scheme, which is too bad. am not a dallas fan, but am always rooting for the Kanadians playing big in the nfl and the dallas d-line is representing most o' the canadian d-linemen playing in the nfl... well, at least the starters. HA! Good Fun!

agreed. and from a pure cynical pov, twitter and other social media platforms recognize they exist as private enterprises at the sufferance o' the government. given the changing political landscape, as well as the recent events at the Capitol, damage control efforts make sense. as we noted already, from a legal pov, these folks is publishers regardless o' whether they is providing services direct or indirect, and such makes 'em subject to tort liability save for the protections they is given by government, and those protections were/are not carved in stone existing into perpetuity. given the changing winds o' public opinion, social media platforms and providers recognize the difference 'tween a hawk and a handsaw. the predictable post mortem o' the Capitol riot, as well as the trump administration itself, is gonna result in many persons and organizations being blamed for involvement and/or lack o' reasonable oversight. get out ahead o' the backlash and make a show o' being responsible is gonna win some sympathy for the providers even if their efforts is belated and mercenary as 'posed to altruistic. social media platforms and those who provide infrastructure o' social media is aware their current business model, which as one may see from the graph has been quite profitable, is in danger o' being subject to lefty-flavored intrusive government regulation, even though such regulation is ironic being championed most earnest from the right. a cynical person would observe the recent response as an extreme calculated effort to maintain the status quo... which am thinking is the reasonable way to read the situation. twitter and amazon and others know exact what they are doing and a short-term loss is deemed acceptable when balanced 'gainst maintaining the status quo. HA! Good Fun!

you do not understand what a "publisher" is from a legal standpoint. the protections afforded internet service providers regarding the speech o' posters who utilize the services o' big tech is 'cause those service providers is nevertheless publishers. being a step removed in the publishing or republishing process does not eliminate the appropriateness o' the publisher label. some degree o' insulation has been provided such publishers from legal liability, but is up to the publisher to decide how to protect their brand. ignorance is not an excuse, but as you attack that hill we will serve as your helpful sherpa, keeping you from inevitably freezing to death as you scale heights far beyond your capacity. nevertheless, am congratulating you for genuine quoting us this time 'round instead of imagining what our statement might be. lesson learned: you are far less likely to blunder into comical mistake if you follow Gromnir's actual words and opinions instead o' attempting to divine based on your own projected shortcomings. good for you. those baby steps will eventual carry you to enlightenment. aside: Axe distances itself from body spray apparently left by Capitol rioter "“AXE condemns yesterday's acts of violence and hate at the Capitol. We believe in the democratic process and the peaceful transition of power,” the company said." HA! Good Fun!

this last year has had us considering a smaug portfolio. other than our silver sell, first ten months o' the year we were bare breaking even, but last two months we see a return equal to all of last year.... and Gromnir investing is s'posed extreme conservative. *sigh* sure, a big pile of gold is unlikely as comfortable as our memory foam mattress, and gold is no less volatile than our real estate or ira investments, but gold is real... at least until a complete collapse in which case gold is no better than paper money. HA! Good Fun!

you do realize it is a fact the response were imagined seeing as how our contribution were posting a link and a direct quote. presume/assume a specific Gromnir response would therefore need be the result o' conjecture. ... and we not need imagine skarp_0ne responses as you so readily leap forward and provide fodder. reflect before posting and you won't end up having your recent posted mistakes thrown back at you. the most amusing part o' this recent silliness is that we have, on more than one occasion, opined that while the first amendment doesn't apply to boards such as this or platforms such as twitter, our signature quote from whitney v california applies equal to private as public speech fora. @Agiel you would think traditional conservatives would sympathize with a business acting to protect their brand by legal means free o' federal paternalism. brave new world. HA! Good Fun!

tough call. you may be even more amusing than the other guy. he imagines our response and makes attributions based on a reputation he creates outta the ether as a way to criticize Gromnir and lack o' diligence in reporting? on the other hand, you chase your own tail so that am dizzy watching your antics, but to your credit, you didn't invoke our response by mentioning us by name when you bumbled your way into insensibility. anywho... FBI memo warns law enforcement across U.S. of possible armed protests at 50 state Capitols "The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official." HA! Good Fun!

always a bad way to look at it. have observed a tendency to view anything less than the missed highwater mark as a loss. if your return is better than what you would have seen from s&p 500, then call it a win. HA! Good Fun!

and the circular silly continues. so we are back to forcing the random suit to publish against their will? HA! Good Fun!

"Typical Gromnir that he actually seems to think "we will only properly scrutinise those we disagree with politically"- which is what they're actually saying- is a good thing instead of something they should do for every bit of information they're fed because it's being fed to them with an agenda." *chuckle* you are a gift which keeps on giving. imaginary attributions and self-sabotage? please, continue? @Skarpen_one is not up to private enterprise to provide an alternative forum. HA! Good Fun!

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wow. came to your conclusion 'bout what we think, putting in quotes even, w/o us editorializing whatsoever. we posted a link to the story and a key quote. rest were you. amazing... and ironic given context. congrats on doing the work for us. HA! Good Fun!

A Truth Reckoning: Why We’re Holding Those Who Lied For Trump Accountable Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away. HA! Good Fun!

the republican party has had the impossible task o' taking trump tweets and statements and making such opinions republican dogma. trump is erratic, ignorant and narcissistic w/o any ideological framework guiding his opinions. if trump accuses social media platforms o' communism when they act to protect their brand, then it necessarily becomes the job o' republicans to make sense o' such stoopid. the only way to achieve what trump wants is, as we noted already, to identify social media as a public utility. it doesn't need make sense. trump isn't reasonable or rational so expect reasonable and rational from trump is itself unreasonable. nevertheless, the party and its defenders has been contorting themselves in an attempt to defend trumpism as complimentary with republican values since the trump became the nominee in 2016. would be laughable, but the trump base doesn't need more than enthusiasm and angry o' trump and from trump. HA! Good Fun!

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yes, 'cause whether is a random suit, or a pizza delivery guy, or a constitutional lawyer, individuals have competing liberty concerns and the government doesn't have the capacity to intervene in the deliberations and agreements 'tween such individuals... save for extreme limited circumstances. agree to terms o' service, or go elsewhere. can't force a newspaper publisher to print an opinion article. duh. obvious. nevertheless, assume a social media publisher (those random suits who run social media platforms is publishers for legal purposes) needs bend over for a random pundit? option: the people, through their elected representatives, may decide social media applications should be public utilities instead o' private enterprises. do so is slippery slope and is gonna counter-intuitive result in more regulation and censorship as 'posed to less. will also likely be more expensive almost overnight. whatever. regardless, at the moment, the liberty rights o' a rando prophet of trumpism is not superior to the random suit. thank goodness. HA! Good Fun!