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He says: "It's because I couldn't make up my mind, when you were inside unit 3. I didn't help you and I didn't kill you. Because I didn't want to take responsibility." I don't see where the issue is. He did not want to attack her, but he didn't do anything to help her either. I think what I said still stands. Does not mean they were emotionally programed, or confirm what Asuka said is true as they obviously had no idea what Gendo's plan was. That was a joke on my part. It was such a blueball ending, that it's not redeeming in my eyes.

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I tend to agree, as I don't put much stock in to reviews nor do I read them.

The only solution I see is better AI. I despise that the difficulty settings in these games are just letting the AI cheat. I would imagine that getting the AI to band together is a better stopgap to the endgame problem, but I have never seen it done well.

Tbf, Pillars was doomed from the start. You can't sell a product that is going to be the new baldur's gate and after getting funded you proceed to tell the fans how you didn't like baldur's gate and are going to change a bunch of things because of that... Not to mention that, putting personal opinions aside, the rebuild movies were a financial and critical success. on a separate topic: https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3679522/netflixs-live-action-cowboy-bebop-series-will-premiere-november-first-images-revealed/

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Big yikes, if that is how Mari came to be... I mean if that was the case she turned out great! It's certainly memorable I'll give it that, then again I would guess Mari is memorable for you and @majestic. Point taken. Although that still doesn't mean they had the complete story outlined or if they did that things didn't change along the way. 3d is simply faster to produce, edit and control. There are people that still do 2d, but it's becoming a dying art.

@majestic I definitely need to rewatch the original series and the movies. I seem to have forgotten a lot of things. I couple of years ago (maybe 5 or more...) I gave Puella Magi Madoka Magica a go and stopped watching it either on the first episode or on the second. I don't remember my opinion on it at the time, but for a while I kept it on my hdd to give it a go again, but I seem to have since deleted it. I think that Asuka was referencing the second movie, I have rewatched the scene and while you are right and he did not want to hurt her, he really didn't do anything other than get strangled. Perhaps she wanted him to do something more, or perhaps she wanted him to be the one who stopped her and not an automated robot (Asuka is not the most rational character), or the most probable reason that she is angry with him is that he would have let her kill him. Re:Mari Do me a favor, I know you hate the movies, but give the last 5 seconds of the second movie a listen (end of the preview for some evangelion movie in an alternate reality...) there is something there about fanservice. I don't really know what to say about the character other then she really didn't bother me at all. As can be seen from the previews, they either changed their minds about the direction of the movies (which I'm 99% sure is the case) or possibly the previews happened between the movies, but let's focus on the 99%. When the whole rebuild has a somewhat disjointed story it's not a surprise that the characters are also like that, so when that is the case I have some understanding for the character. Let me just say that I agree with both you and @Bartimaeus that she sticks out in the movies, but it's just that it doesn't bother me. By the end of the 4th movie, she had her place. She was never going to save Shinji, she could just show him that he can be happy, he still needed to get that place on his own. I don't know why you guys hate Anno's wife, what has she ever done to you. Re: Imortality I think a lot of stuff was left unanswered. Looking at the previews it looks like there were going to be at least two more movies. That was all relegated to being mentioned by a couple of characters as past event. Re: Characters I think you are putting too much stock in what Asuka said to Rei, I think she was just trying to be hurtful. If there really were any modifications like she said, how was she able to transcend human limitations in the end. Re: Spears As I said, I need to rewatch it all at some point. I am misremembering a lot of things, even from the previous movies. I'll laugh my ass off when after all of this he does something else with Evangelion, even though I don't see how he could after all of this. Re: Ending The difference is that in one ending we get "Disgusting" and in the other we get a resolution, character growth and an uplifting note. @Bartimaeus I like your optimism in thinking that the original series was thought out from start to finish. I personally do not share that opinion and I think that is crux of it, how I see it and how you see it is different. If I fooled you with anything I said I apologize, but it's simply how I experienced the movies. I'll repeat what I said above, I think Mari is the casualty of the how the story was told. Either there are some missing movies, or the story was changed and her character suffered for it. Overall I was ok with her character and the movies as a whole, especially after seeing the ending.

Fair point. I would only say that she is a side character at best, so not much is expected of her. As far as I know the arrival of Adam triggered the first impact. But either way I misremembered there being 2 spears at the end of the original series, this happened in the movies. So my theory about the impacts being needed for the spears is possibly wrong. Reading about it now there are theories that Cassius is Lilith's spear (from the third movie) and Gaius is created from part of the ship that was the spine of an angel. Need to rewatch some scenes and look in to this. Thought that part was obvious, if there was no interest there would have been no "sequels". My personal opinion is that he was constantly being asked about the ending and this was an effort to give a "better" ending and wash his hands of Evangelion.

What KP said I would mirror, this was pretty much par for the course of Evangelion. The plot didn't make any more sense in the original series and it was up to the watcher to dig deep and make connections. I, and I think KP too, simply disagree with many of your takeaways from the movies. I would have replied to your impressions, but the replies would mostly boil down to: "it didn't bother me", or "I disagree". At the end of the day Rebuild was never going to be NG:E, it was always going to be different as it should be, otherwise what was the point in making it. The funny thing is that even when the Rebuild picks up it's queues from NG:E, it still somehow manages to hit a completely different note for you guys. You know what I'll give it a go. @Mari I do not get the hate here. At all. Were there supposed to be no new characters in the rebuild? Tbh, that seems like the only reason for the hate. In my opinion she is supposed to be a new character archetype that is supposed to balance Shinji. Where he is a depressed and unwilling in the face of adversity, she is happy and willing to suffer with a smile on her face (her advantage being years of experience). I agree with KP that there were some hiccups with deciding the stories direction, which made her "purpose" a little clunky, but overall I was satisfied with the explanation, even though I didn't get it straight away. @Eva imortality as majestic already mentioned, in the original series Shinji fused with his Eva and was reconstructed. This was a continuation of this idea and in the sea of crazy thing in Evangelion doesn't strike me as out of place at all. @characters Funnily enough I always liked Asuka the least of all the characters in NG:E, but that is probably because I dislike the tsundere archetype. Rei... I never could come to grips with that character. She is a clone of Shinji's mother (full or partial I have no idea) and their affection always struck me as familial bond, especially because we were shown that Shinji had a sexual attraction to Asuka in the original. When Asuka says that she was designed to have affection for Shinji that just kind of confirmed it in my head. Misato, she is the capable and fearless type who is a surrogate mother to Shinji and is crippled by guilt over what she thinks she did to him. This kind of gutted her character in the movies. Genji, the broken mirror. He represents what Shinji is and what he needs to overcome. Shinji, the awkward little boy who no one wants to admit represent at least some part of their childhood and growing up. But people usually hate their own weaknesses and so poor Shinji never stood a chance. @spears of destiny The spears were always created, this was the case in the originals and was continued as an idea in the new movies. It was never specified what the material is but an impact was always needed to create one. @SEELE's plan. All according to keikaku. Again this was all the same in the originals and is where the rebuild mirrors it. @music I liked the music. The rebuild was made because the fans wanted it and because the ending of the original series was unsatisfying. This series gives...well me at least...that, a satisfying ending to a cult series.

There is a theory going around that the rebuild movies represent Anno's life with NG:Evangelion, its fandom that is going around in circles and that the ending symbolizes his life after Evangelion.

Oh wow, the ****ing photograph... Missed that completely. You know what. Maybe I'll rewatch the movies. edit: Yeah, now I see that she was the one in Gendo's sketched memories...

Hmmm, I didn't catch that part at all. Maybe I should have rewatched the previous movies before watching the last one. I just don't get what part of the movies show that she remembers the previous worlds.

@Bartimaeus should get a medal for persevering until the end! Congrats! As for the movies, they did a lot to explain what was going on in the originals as far as the story goes, as far as the characters go it was mostly a rehash of the originals (minus she who shall not be named), although this time around he gave us some closure and didn't blueball the ending. Overall I much prefer this ending to what we got with NG:E, I would even go so far to say that I like it very much. I think it goes back to what KP was saying, these movies are made for the people who already watched the original series and so a lot of the character interactions have been skipped or have simply been sped through. Overall the focus was more on the "story" this time around. As for what the story is, this is how I understood it. The rebuild is the continuation of the original series. At some point after the ending of NG:E someone wished for a restart of the world, it's also hinted that this restart may have happened a couple of times with different variations of reality, ie. wishes being made that affect the world. Gendo's wish being that all barriers are removed and thus all beings become one (this was a theme in the original series too) so he can be with his wife again who is now part of the original Eva (and after the second movie part of Shinji?), so he tricked pretty much everyone from the beginning to make this scenario happen. Now to make this happen he needed the spears, ie. wishes. That is why he needed the impacts to happen as they provided the materials for the spears, ie. fuel for the wishes. The rest is I think pretty clear by the end of the last movie, Shinji mans up confronts his father and with the last spear wishes for the end of Eva and thus choosing to grow up and face the world on his own. As for the ending itself I think it's a comment on the real world being interesting enough without Giant robot battles and magic technology.

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I did warn you that it was an acid trip.

I would recommend finishing it, if for nothing else but to see what the point of rebuild was.

Yeah, sadly I agree. Although they did try.

I'm looking at what you linked and I simply don't see it that way. Maybe I'm jaded after all the crap I have seen, but it all seems like a combination of POVs and scenes that want to capture both characters.

Ok, I rewatched the scene @Bartimaeus is talking about. First off the scene follows her clenched fist which ends with her punching the glass. Second they are wearing plug suits which no matter where you pan the shot, is going to be awkward. Third let's not forget that this is from Shinji's POV and that he masturbated to Asuka in the hospital. As for the rest I'm waiting on you guys to finish the movies before joining the discussion.

That's how it works.

The biggest issue with Civ like games, is the endgame. If someone figures out how to make that interesting they'll take the throne.

Strange, the app really should be QAed for LG... In fact that should be Amazon's primary testing environment. Guess money isn't everything...

Which brand TV do you use?