greylord

You should have put spoilers on the LotR parody of the game...

You have to fight the big bad end boss who wants to take all the power and become the next Deity...if you beat her you can take her power instead and become a deity, or you can stay on Faerun. Either way determines what happens between you and your Love Interest/significant other. If you stay it typically has some sort of happily ever after, if you leave something else. Also, if I remember correctly it details what happens to each of your other companiosn that traveled with you. So...overall...much more in depth and much more resolving on your situation and the rest of your companions that travelled with you than ME3 or most other games. No Red light, Green Light in that ending.

I admit, I've been a Bio fanboi. Normally that means I'm Defending Bioware...not ashamed at how bioware has been handling itself. I also give criticism where criticism is due. Bio hasn't done too hot recently in it's releases. Popular theory is that it's the EA influence...we'll see.

I've always held that ME2 was absolutely awesome. I'll even go and say that the ME series will be the greatest series Bio has made up until this point, perhaps (not necessarily) surpassing the BG series. I don't think the last 10 minutes ruin the series for me, though I think Bio definately needs to do something about the ending of ME3.

I'd say it does. The first part is sort of forced upon you with very little choice. It opens up a great deal AFTER you hit the Citadel portions.

Heh, thanks for that... Just to be clear, I'm NO Volourn, nor do I want to act quite so...like a Volourn. But I do want to say I actually see how the endings COULD make sense...as Endings...not just the entire stupid Indoc idea people tossed around (I personally leaned more towards seeing how the indoc idea actually makes MORE sense then the endings as endings...BUT I also hate the idea of being shipped an incomplete game so much that the entire idea of having to D/L an ending of several hundred megs is kind of repulsive). I also say...hey...it's only what...10 minutes out of the rest of the game. BUT, I also see where everyone else is coming from. When 90% of the fans of a 50K poll stand up and say...this is soooo Volourn....I'd say anyone in their right mind should probably stand up and listen. Even if I think I know where bio was coming from with the ending, I also agree the ending was handled pretty badly. That Bio has acted so arrogantly thus far in regards to their fans is even more infuriating however...and seems pretty awful.

Yes, I'm a Bio Fanboi as you would put it...and even I HAVE problems with the ending of ME3. Hey...why are such Volourn about these things? Then again, you probably just can't help it.

Yes...choose the traffic light so you can destroy the Reapers...makes so much sense now....NOT.... In DA1 you go to kill the archdemon...that was introduced much earlier in the game and that was part of your goal. Choosing a traffic light wasn't any part of any goal in any part of the ME series really. I'd ask you to stop being so Volourn about all this...but seeing that in truth you ARE Volourn and in some sense you would therefore define it...I suppose I can only say continue being volourn about it.

You really don't follow bioware at all, despite what you say, do you? Bio built a pretty good solid following. With DA2 the general sentiment was that everyone was going to give them a second chance, in fact most of those griping even stated they would pre-order ME3. Most of those day 1 sales probably WERE inclusive of pre-orders. With the ad campaign and the rest of it, I think ME3 was bound to be up there with the CoD games in sales....as long as they didn't screw things up. With DA2, along with other noises...they hurt themselves somewhat. They've hurt LONG TERM sales, meaning those over a week, with the latest fiasco...and that probably would be half the sales right there that they've lost. People who hadn't quite bought it yet and were put off by the entire DA2 thing probably have solidified their options of whether to or not to buy. ME3 was bound to be a hit regardless, the only question was how big a hit. Bioware basically shot themselves in the foot several times. I personally think there's more going on behind the scenes than fans will think about or support. I think Bio WANTED ME3 to be the end of the series...and EA wanted an MMO, an FPS, and other games out of the ME franchise...aka...to milk the ME franchise. Bio smiles and makes nice...and quietly does what they do to try to kill that idea. Destory the ME universe...and it greatly dampens EA's opportunities. Yes...I'm saying Bio purposefully has those inside of it fighting against the EA influence. Regardless of what they smile and say...afterall you don't tell your boss to go screw himself unless you want to get fired...even if he's wrong. You do it much more subtle and politically. However, this still may shoot them in the foot. But if you knew anything about the DA2 and ME3 fiasco...it's not ME3 that is seriously going to have a hard time selling, it was always going to be the game after ME3, dependant on WHAT happened with ME3. Right now I'm not thinking it looks all that bright...but we'll see. I think if they hadn't sabatoged themselves, Bio could have propelled themselves up to CoD status games in terms of sales with anything they released after ME3. Currently I don't think that's going to even be a possibility anymore. AS far as referring to BG2 and all that, those were purely PC games...and came out over a decade ago. What are you smoking. That's like saying Blizzard could never move a game with 8 million units because it's original Warcraft game didn't come close to that. That comparison you made is just... So Volourn....

Hmm...how to put it without really big spoilers. Imagine a game like Dragon Age but in space. You have to unite the entire galaxy against the big bad guy. So the entire game you struggle to do this. Then you fight your way to the big bad guy...and suddenly instead of a big battle you are immersed in light. You are levitated and brought before an angel who says...I want you to pick one of three choices. You can pick a green light, a red light, or a blue light. You do so...and the game ends. I was like...WTF does that have to do with the game? How can simply picking a traffic light color have any relation to what's gone on before? I actually see more logic in the endings then most, but I'm still with them when I say...picking a traffic light out has no relation to the end of a War and magnitude of what the game was about.... And... that pretty much covers it.... Most people don't see a connection between picking a traffic light color and the rest of the game. Hence, the big outcry is some resolution as to what their actions did, how their actions affect the end of the game, and something along the lines of C&C where their actions actually have SOME relation to the end of the game. In a broader sense, for those who played the entire trilogy it's not just the choices of the game, but the entire trilogy.

If Bio had avoided the latests fiascos, I think they actually could have sold near 10 million at least...and their games would be gold for sellers in competition with the biggest sellers out there... IMO. I think they squandered much of those possibilities though.

Not really. Once you get into the last 30 minutes...there aren't any choices at all except MAYBE to talk one main enemy to death. The only real choice you get is to choose red, green, or blue. I actually prefer they keep the endings then to scratch it all and say it was Indoc. To say they gave us an incomplete game would upset me FAR more than simply giving us a bad ending like they did. However, you're actions through the game really only do one thing...enable you to chooose green instead of blue or blue instead of red. Other than that..they do absolutely NOTHING really. So you saved the Geth and Quarians...that really has no result on the ending. You don't see them on the ground with you, they don't save Tali, or anything. So you got the Krogan to help you...you get to see them blown up in one cut scene BEFORE the ending portions, and nowhere really in the end. Really, C&C is basically tossed completely out the window in favor of Deus Ex Machina Otherwise there aren't really that many choices. But yes, you're right, regardless of whether you choose the red, blue, or green, the choices basically have the same ending except for about 5 seconds in them depending on whether you chose control...or whether you played MP long enough to maximize some war assets you have and have enough of those to see the 5 second clip when you choose destroy.

PS and PS3 owner. However, with the way Bio pushed the MP and didn't really answer specifically on what they were doing about the ending debacle...no way I'll touch their MP currently. Plus, there are better MP games out there anyways, even by EA!

Don't nuke Canada! I'm not even certain Volo even played ME3. AS far as the end of the trilogy, I would think Volo would believe Bio at least [clarification: Bio were the ones that said this was the end], but then maybe he falls into the boat that he distrusts anything Bio says these days (many are starting to fall in that boat with how Bio's handled the ME3 ending debacle).

Yep, Red light, Green Light...oh and blue light. and everyone dies unless they have space magic. You're full of it in regards to C&C in that ending. So...tell me...how did you end up saving the Turian fleet from starving to death...and keeping the relays going...and how did your choices to help the Krogan or salarians preserve anything.... Oh wait...that's right...you could somehow choose to have the green or blue light instead of the red light. There's more C&C in BG2:ToB's ending then ME3's.

And yet you claim to like the ending of ME3. C&C must not mean THAT much to you. In fact from your approach you basically seem to imply the exact opposite of what you just said above.

I have to admit, I don't go to metacritic for scores or reviews. That said, if you have user reviews, I'd trust user reviews 1000x MORE than ANY "professional" review. To me, professional reviews are basically people bought off by the game companies. They have NO integrity, and NO honesty about them overall. The closest they will ever get to actual honest reviews are when the game companies don't pay them any heed, don't give them advanced copies, or anything else. THEN and ONLY then is when you may get an honest review from these "pro" reviewers. That's why their scores vary so much from game to game, and why half the time they'll say something I love is only average (which if they are being honest, it probably IS average, just like another game they may have rated a 95+ was average...they just are being honest rather than their usual bought off selves). I DO see Gamespots/gamefaqs user reviews typically and USE THAT as what I balance my buying off of. User reviews are FAR more dependable overall, and typically if you ignore the number score you can also see what their gripes are about. I tend to go see what the lowest rated ones are, and see what the middle of the line and the highest rated ones say. Together they typically paint a pretty good picture of what to expect of the game.

I don't really think I have a bargaining stage with games....they are just entertainment. I have a WTF stage and then a FU stage... In the FU stage it's more of, I have better things to do and other games to play then waste times with someone else's stupid mind games. If they want to take a month and play mindgames and think they're clever they can do that, but I have other things to do than wait around pissing on the ground with them. By next month there may still be furor over this, but their sales will be done and ME3 will be old news. Unfortunately, the next game I'm really waiting for doesn't come out till June though, which is Agarest 2.

As many have said about "The Truth" and that entire thing...I'll believe it when I see it. Also, Bio would be better to release it sooner than later...cause if it's later they'll still have people get it...all 3 out of 3.5 million who are still paying attention... (probably a slight exaggeration, but it gets the point across...at least better then Bio's current ending).

Actually a majority I think were like me. Since they assured us that there were two different teams and it was totally separate, I decided to hold off judgement until ME3. DA2 could have been a fluke, every company has them occasionally. Whether I or those like me buy another bio game in the future actually hinged very strongly on how ME3 turned out. Faithful enough that they wouldn't condemn bio for one game...but basically waiting with Bio on probation for however it turned out with the results.

Explains why Zaeed died in my first playthrough. It was with my character which I basically said...screw you Zaeed, I'm helping the workers!

Oh, and why I came here...Did Casey Hudson just give all the raving fans (~90% of them) the big middle finger in a recent interview that came out today....