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That's where you lose me. No, that's where you lost yourself. The setting you estabilished on the last page made a point of equalizing men and women warriors, which most likely includes physical aptitude (after all, that's your argument for why women and men aren't equal in real life). For some reason, you choose to interprete that as armor having no inherent value anymore. Instead, as you should, its best to assume that, as physically men and women are similar, they should be able to wear similar armor. Therefore, there's no reason for the chainmail bikini.

Or, instead of applying nonsense to a mundane aspect of the setting, you simply have both women and men wearing similar armor. Because, the average female and the average male adventurer are physically similar.

Not really, I accepted dan's premise of a fantasy setting where women and men are equal combatants. So why don't men wear chainmail bikinis?

I'm sorry, I do not follow. You said that the world's logic estabilished that women are equal fighters to men. According to that logic, if men need to cover as much of their skin as possible, so do women. If women don't, neither do man. And considering the cost and weight of materials involved no, its not a stylistic choice. I never claimed realism, I claimed internal logic.

Indeed. Therefore once you've established a fantasy world where women are equal fighters to men, you might as well run with it. At that point any discussion of how bikini armor is unrealistic becomes irrelevant. Wouldn't that imply that all armor would be bikini armor?

I kinda expect a character system similar to those games they cite a inspiration. But I also personally prefer a class based system.

Source? The bayonet.

Why do you keep linking that? Do you think it proves anything? That because some Amazon tribe had female fighters 200 years ago, that women are equal to men on a battlefield? Does that quote somehow historically equalizes the sexes in matters of war? Certainly not, that would be ridiculous. But its the actual example of a all-female army, one that defeated a contemporary and much stronger force no less. I saw it as a apt response to the post I quoted, more apt than 'LOL ITS FANTASY IDIOT LOL' anyway. Yes and they wore no heavy Armor they used their own strong points to defeat them and none of them were wearing heavy plate armors not only because they did not have them but because it would give them a huge disadvantage. Neither did who they fought. No one called me a idiot, that was a indicator of how stupid the 'fantasy' argument is. And no, a woman defeating a man in hand-to-hand combat isn't fantasy. Melee was still very important in the era of those dahomey amazons. It would still be all the way up the world wars.

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Why do you keep linking that? Do you think it proves anything? That because some Amazon tribe had female fighters 200 years ago, that women are equal to men on a battlefield? Does that quote somehow historically equalizes the sexes in matters of war? Certainly not, that would be ridiculous. But its the actual example of a all-female army, one that defeated a contemporary and much stronger force no less. I saw it as a apt response to the post I quoted, more apt than 'LOL ITS FANTASY IDIOT LOL' anyway. Next I see Joan of Arc's chainmail bikini, I'll know that my concerns have nothing to do with logic or realism.

That was doable in the IE games, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Note that I did not say that that Witcher 2 picture was a bad example, but rather that the 'issue' of 'turning people into asexuals' is only really present in plate armor. So yeah, I don't really care about clothes and mage robes (as long as the design isn't really stupid, but that's another story). http://en.wikipedia....Dahomey_Amazons How does that contradict anything I've said? Even in the link you've provided, they're wearing regular clothes and carrying muskets. Neither of which requires any kind of physical strength. Show me any period in history where a female regiment wore heavy armor and successfully fought men in hand to hand combat. Just so you know: armor became progressively pointless since the invention of the crossbow and melee combat was still very important all the way up to the world wars. This is why muskets effectively doubled as a lance for a long time. So that all female army? They defeated a technically superior european force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey_Amazons

That's not even armor.

This creates issues. If you find yourself using magic constantly, magic is nerfed. If you're conjuring lightning bolts constantly, then it will soon take multiple massive electrical discharges to hurt a normal being. Quite frankly, what you said is true. There are entire genres where magic is underpowered and melee characters reign supreme. But one important thing to note is that Magic does not mean Mages. A pure fighter transcends his mortality when wielding a Sword of Awesome +3. Indeed, provided generous itemization, some D&D games allow melee characters to scale almost as exponentially as spellcasters. But Magic is still rather powerful, and it does have a limitation to it: you're not likely to spam it as much as the pure fighter is going to swing the Sword of Awesome +3.

Boobplates can break a woman's sternum. Again if you want to go with realism. A male knight in plate armor will destroy the female one because the plate mail is damn heavy and for a woman a huge disadvantage. If I wanted to go with realism, I'd deny the concept of plate armor itself. Armor was already being downsized for mobility due to the invention of the crossbow. I do think that the boobplate is retarded and awkward, but its still better than the chainmail bikini. http://madartlab.com...-and-lady-bits/ This entry has a few good examples of female armor, the best not requiring boobplates or chainmail bikinis. It also has a terrific suggestion to shift the focus from the torso to the face, which is what happened in IE games.

Boobplates can break a woman's sternum.

Aesthetically, the only 3D that can compare to the likes of ToEE is way beyond the scope of this project. D3 and DS3 are way inferior, IMO.

http://en.wikipedia....Dahomey_Amazons Wikipedia isn't that unreliable, people.

Both assertions are painful generalizations, but I don't think I need to point that out.

Fireballs are so overrated. Anyway, I think Eternity's going to use the standard tropes of the fantasy settings so Dwarves are probably in.

But that's what armor does to women. Look up modern female soldiers on google. CEREMONIAL armor is a whole other matter though. Hell, I've seen dresses forged out of metal. totally wrong: just a small example and I can show you dozens more. Worst platemail I've ever seen.

1 million dollars and the recognition that Neverwinter Nights sucks is the secret God tier of Kickstarter pledges: design your own character race.

Armor isn't supposed to be a seducing device. If a woman soldier must be ugly to you so you don't kill her, then power to her because she'll be alive and you'll be dead. Chainmail bikini is retarded, and its a fantasy unworthy of existing outside of low art. Boobplates are also stupid, with the woman who wears it risking nothing other than her sternum. If men need to err fulfill their fantasies so much, and I actually believe that's merely a stereotype these days, that's what google images is for. Deviantartists are there to undress the RPG characters.

This is because it makes sense. Much better than have those who can manipulate reality and those who can't (and don't actively try to do so vai magical devices) on a same level.