SHADOW, I'm leaving this like this to show you a case of my quotes seemingly failing for no reason. If I break it up into two posts, it will work, but why isn't it working now? ideas?
It is clearly not.
Example: Pompeii was saying that Marc Anthony must not be harmed. As soon as Marc Anthony called for all his men to rally around him I knew what would occur. This is because the show showed it's hand too quickly. In the bar fight they had a "slow down" moment where the man who attacks Pullo eventually is watching him. That and Pompeii saying 1,000 times that he must not be harmed. Watch again, the signs are clearly all there.
From that point on, it was just waiting for the event I knew would occur to occur.
and you know what, thats fine, but they do that almost everytime!
It's not like I'm make this up to sound cool. "O, how smart I am, blah blah blah". It's that I thought it was obvious. Just read the Lost thread. I miss alot that others catch.
The show just always lays things out for you. No suspense. No surprises for the most part. The story is blah.
I don't agree with the logic, but not because of why you think I do.
If events are not important, only the results, you have to remember the results are also events. And by your logic, unimportant. Unless of course, you suggest watching a uninteresting show just to see the series finale.
Great, they foreshadow alot, doesn't make something fun to watch automatically. How about some deception in that foreshadowing?
Didn't consider it. I was thinking about how dull and predictable the episode was at that point. I wasn't really pulled in enough to care. Hence my point. If that is what constitutes a surprise or a twist in this show....
It has conflicts. Are they interesting? Not really. As you say, they are uneventful events.
What is boring is basically seeing this:
Mom: "don't visit him or he dies"
girl visits him
mom kills him
Very deep there. Very very deep. Such twists and turns. Who among us could have imagined that senerio? Another issue is I didn't really "feel" that the daughter loved Glabius. As you say, those events are setting up future events, but I don't think they have the audience really caring enough about those two to use that as a catalyst.
If the events are not themselves interesting, I don't care what the payoff is, because I don't care about what remains.
My mistake, you didn't think he would be just captured, but you do in fact admit you thought that the boy wouldn't just arrive in Caesars camp due to "FORESHADOWING". Hence the ambush, which was supposed to be a surprise I thought, was expected. What fun is that? Snore.
I can't find the logic in your opinion.
No event should be useless. Everyones time is too valuable to be watching useless events.
Hence when they tv show is sanitary or soulless, it quickly becomes not worth my time.
I also have trouble with the realism or the show, as I've said. Band of Brothers and Deadwood make me feel like I'm there. Rome is actors in armor.
No, I have rather not seen it coming at all. It was clearly supposed to be a "surprise" to the viewer to find out that was, in fact, the case. I like being blindsided but clearly knowing what happened when the "big" moment comes.
No, I have rather not seen it coming at all. It was clearly supposed to be a "surprise" to the viewer to find out that was, in fact, the senerio. I like being blindsided but clearly knowing what happened when the "big" moment comes. Or as I like to think of it, the "oooooooooooooooo' moment. The Revan is a sith moment. <-- I think I'll catch heat for that.
Amazing, because of the blatent foreshadowing, it was both.
In a matter of days he went from raping murder to savor of damsels in distress with little significant reason. The actual actions he took tho, were heavily foreshadowed.
Fact is, I did, while I'm not mad, don't tell me I didn't. I did NOT think thats what he would do at the start of the episode, but in terms of time, I saw it well before the action occured.
It might as well been a silent picture with the words "I'm going to save the girl" pop-up. That obvious a tip off.
I'd would be honestly surprised if he didn't want to help the girl. If it turns out he had other motives, maybe we got something. The writers gave no indication to me that they are that clever or actaully have anything up their sleves. I'd be willing to bet he helped the girl out of the goodness of his heart, which is a unexplained diversion from character, only to have her try and screw him out of the gold.
And likes raping, killing, and saving women from certain death
His intentions, pre-gold, were clear tho. He wanted Lucius to help him save her. I doubt he thought Lucius would allow him to rape a Roman or someone elses slave. Do you? Don't give the writers more credit than they deserve.
along with talking about enjoying rape and going to a whore house. O, he enjoys killing too
and he talks in wonderment about why anyone would stay with one women. He speaks of the wine, dine, bang, goodbye philosophy. Soooo thoughtful. Conflict much? Hence my point.
He does show he knows how to get into their pants, but as far as caring about women goes, nope.
He clearly wanted to help her pre-gold. With Lucius there even. He doesn't need to go all the way back to get laid or to make a few bucks from what is in the cart. He could have easily done a bit of looting and raping in a undefended Rome.
Then it is clearly beyond my powers to show you what I see on that point. And vice-versa I suspect.
We arn't debating?
I find all of the above, mostly boring dialogue, stiff, uninspired but well acted - AT THE MOMENT
I don't know where its going yet. If it turns out fantastical I'll be first in line to buy the DVDs. Right now though it has a lot of potential, but most of it unfullfilled
