Drowsy Emperor

They aren't killing off anything but they are shaping the tastes of the newer generations of players due to their success, and influencing the market. Its not a coincidence that there are so many diablo clones, and attempts to emulate WoW. Its pushing the traditional RPG ever more into fringe territory as a product that is desired by a small crowd of people, hence less attractive to invest in.

Sorry I can't stand that self righteous, crusader mentality.

Could be, could be.

Never said it was. Are they better than VtM Bloodlines in your opinion?

Money. I like the way this game looks but it smells like all the reviews are going to be 90+ by default. I though that was obvious considering amounts of hype this game has. It was but it stinks more than usual. I'm skeptical that the game is as top notch as they are going to claim it is. Call it a gut feeling Although I certainly wish for it to be. Btw has it been noted that the character models, faces specifically and their animations are complete crap? Apart from the protagonist who has obviously been given special attention.

I recognize the sentiment. Its echoed in Mein Kampf.

Money. I like the way this game looks but it smells like all the reviews are going to be 90+ by default.

Even if it makes you cry?

Let's meet in there sometime! I'll send you a message when I get to it (in a week or two after exams )

The dark magic is not having anything else to play that doesn't cost money.

Age of Conan it is then.

That happens a lot in this forum. Aahahahahahhaha *did

No, it was beautiful, had some interesting and more mature players that I imagine roam some of the more popular games. I played on an RP PVP server, which of course helped in regards to maturity. But while the community and the setting was extremely nice the gameplay was just sorta lacking, I completely lost interest in leveling because the grinding was so horrible. But I hate mmos exactly for that so call me jaded. Yup, AoC was a bright beacon of potential in the post-WoW world, but the developer/publisher dropped the ball on endgame content and post-release support basically killing AoC a few months in. I've just read it got 300000 new subs since going F2P. Maybe there is hope yet. Which should I drop into, WH Online or Age of Conan as both are free now?

The horror.

I'm not seeing a problem there, the man didn't ask for an opinion and he got it. He got others as well so he has more advice to help him make up his mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said, I think we're sore about different issues. You're sore about dumbing down and needless tinkering, and I'm sore about the action RPG and MMO's (which have similar gameplay) as a genre. I resent their success because I see it as another nail in the coffin of the traditional RPG and a triumph of mediocrity over quality (and yes, I know its not exactly that black and white).

^^ I have Deus Ex and Baldur's Gate II installed on every computer I own. Always. Okay, I'll own up to BGII and Alpha Centauri. Well see there, I played PT multiple times and I'd say that game offers something you won't get anywhere else, hence I'd always recommend it. To everyone. At great length. Or at least for as long as I can get them to listen. With Deus Ex I was under the impression I was playing a once great but dated game. I really like Blade Runner and cyberpunk and I was perhaps expecting a deeper, more meaningful story. Deus Ex is more the Neuromancer side of things. In fact its basically as close to Neuromancer as you can get. The fact is I barely remember it now, a few visuals and nothing about the story so that says something in itself.

Well I hate them for that too, so I guess Conan is not for me, but I'm curious how they are going to offer a modern city RPG because there are so many things that could stand out and break immersion... And they are promising less grindy gameplay, removing classes and levels in favor of a skill based system etc.

**** you Bioware!

No, you'll only be left scratching your head at what everyone's drooling about like I was. It was a great game at the time supposedly but it hasn't exactly aged gracefully (early 3d graphics ftw). Just play the new one.

I considered playing Age of Conan for a while but was turned off by all the bad rep the game got. Was it as bad as they say?

You make the mistake of thinking I'm proposing a radically different Diablo sequel when I was merely pointing out that ten years later here we are, still playing the same garbage - only in HD. The PC has like five decent titles per year and four of them are HD remakes of whatever semi decent 90s/early 00s titles the suits managed to dredge up. I have no patience for grind and heavy repetition in my games, dumping time into self serving game mechanics (replacing your +5 sword with a +6 one, two more points to dexterity, blah blah) is (no longer) my idea of fun - narration and getting to a point (as in telling a well rounded tale, ) - is. Thats why I liked the Witcher. It may have had portions with grind, but at least it killed the randomized loot and tried to focus on the story.

If you look at other genres most of them have gone through a lot of changes - FPS is a good example. Back in the day we had Doom, but from then on a lot of things happened, like Half Life, System Shock 2 or whatever. Diablo is a dressed up gauntlet, and gauntlet is an arcade game, basically "Doom" in the RPG world. If you like that that's fine, but for me its lame in the day and age when RPG games offer coherent storylines, involving quests, sometimes diverse gameplay and the like. It basically takes the worst, most mundane aspect of role playing games, the mechanical grind and progression and makes it the sole virtue of its gameplay.

Hey peeps, what's the general opinion on the upcoming: http://www.thesecretworld.com I really like the premise...

And this, folks, is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. Yeah, I'm like that. Probably a good thing, saved me 50 bucks there.