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That's a horrible analogy. Van Gogh is widely known and discussed everywhere where art is discussed. PST is something that very few people even know exists. Also, whoever brought up PST being on the GOG wishlist, just because ~6500 people want it released isn't the same as them talking about it. There would only be money in a PST sequel when done on an extreme budget, but with similar quality.

Sleep is for wusses. Character trailer

Steam going down?

That's Resident Evil, bud. I distinctly remember a part of the DMC4 demo where you are on a staircase with a fixed camera. It was stupid before that, but at that point I just uninstalled it.

Bah, fixed camera should die in the hell that it came from.

I don't get it

Expansion packs don't really work too well with consoles unless they are completely stand-alone.

I told you art was nothing but trouble. It's like arguing over religion, nothing good comes of it. So how about that skull, he was pretty funny.

The Activision / Blizzard merger makes much more sense to me now. Satan wants to play free WoW?

That's pretty rich considering that Van Gogh (among others) was horribly underappreciated during his lifetime. I guess his contemporaries believed themselves to be every bit as enlightened as you believe yourself to be. "Art" is make-believe. Planescape Torment was released a decade ago, which is a practically a century in the video game world and we're still talking about it. That's more than 90% of games can claim. To be fair, we are talking about it because this is the ex-BIS and generally wRPG-oriented forum. Pretty much no one else is talking about it.

Rather when you are taught to recognize what makes it art, or put another way - where its value resides and why its exceptional. It could be no other way, knowledge doesn't come out of thin air. So once thought you could unmistakably pick out art from non-art without being familiar with that specific piece? I maintain that something that is art to one person might not be so for another, even when they are both educated.

But can you rip Helios' head clean off in Dante's Inferno? I think not. From what I've seen DI looks like a pretty obvious GoW ripoff. At least GoW3 has those awesome backgrounds with titans fighting each other and whatnot.

Maybe if enough people believe that PST is art the universe will bend to make it so? @Boo: sounds like you can only recognize art when you are taught that it is art.

It would be a very different game. I don't see April as having several different incarnations, or being interested in the philosophy of the world. For an artist, she had a very straightforward outlook on life. I was thinking more of a general Planescape game with April. @Boo, if you sat down someone who's never heard of Picasso or seen his paintings and showed him one of Picasso's pieces and some crap you made in 5 minutes, could he pick out the "real" art every time?

My philosophy is that if Steam goes down, all hope for PC gaming is lost anyway.

I feel that Steam is the necessary evil in this case. A DRM-free service probably wouldn't get many of the publishers to sign up. At least you get something for your DRM with Steam as opposed to a 5-install limit Securom. Of course props to Good Old Games for doing it DRM-free, but their situation is a bit different.

Yes, but they are fools. And they say the same about you. There's no objective truth, everything's subjective. In the end all you have is your opinion. EDIT: At least when it comes to art.

I'm generally against DRM, but like Steam. Do you have to hate everything universally? I like to cherry pick, thank you very much.

Yeah, but so do half the regauar discussion topics on the internet. Still, bringing up art is like asking for trouble. @Boo what if the rocking horse was painted or carved really well? Can't it be both?

The game has 22,800 unique objects and they work as you would expect them. For example a dog chases a cat, a stake kills a vampire, zombie turns a dude into a zombie, flamethrower sets things on fire, shuriken can be thrown and cut ropes etc.

I never said they were equal. The art discussion always goes straight to hell.

you missed this line... Torment, unlike the games you mentioned has the other half of the argument aswell So the games I listed have no artistic value?

Windows installation drives people crazy enough, no need to aggravate it.

Is Pacman, Super Mario Bros or Tetris art? What about Doom or Quake 3?