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They do and this is discussed in aluminiumtrioxid link.

Thanks for sharing, I can give similar stories about ladies I know who have been harassed and abused online only because they are female. But you have made the point brilliantly that this problem is real and exists. What frustrates me the most about some people on these forums is that they have a view that either the problem that SJW raise isn't as severe as they make it out to be or there solution to address this problem isn't really a solution at all. In other words you hear comments like " but men get abused online...someone once was rude to me" or " I'm sick of hearing about this sexism issue " as if that makes any difference whatsoever to the reality of the situation Well the good news is that there is an increased awareness, solutions and condemnation from many circles of society around these types of social issues. So for those that are tired of hearing about sexism and misogyny my advice is " get use to it, its not going anywhere "

But that's unpatriotic, you need to support German software developers. Isnt Piranha Bytes German? Don't be a bad citizen Lexx....support your country

I generally don't research issues that I feel are absolute rubbish. But people can provide credible links that support the view that Twilight somehow supports abusive relationships and I'll read them Bruce, you know I'm fairly vocal around here in my support of feminism in general, so maybe you'll believe me when I say that Twilight's absolute garbage. Here's a fairly detailed analysis why. Okay I have only read this link and not Indira's, which I'll get to later, but this article is enough to completely put me off the books as offering any intrinsic value on any social issue For the record this very insightful and erudite analysis doesn't really say the books are about the abuse of women but it does the discuss the rampant objectification and gender stereotyping of women. How Bella is actually completely useless without Edward and she only really exists in the novels to embellish his personality. The books are a terrible example of educational and valid feminism and do more to enforce the subservient role that women need to have in some conservative cultures and groups. This is probably done unintentionally but the perception is still there I recommend everyone reads it, its long but worth it to gain the correct view on why Twilight is garbage. Last point and still relevant is Gaider didn't read the Twilight books because he wanted insight into gender equality. He wanted insight into why these books are so effective around Romance and also as a part of popular culture. I respect him for using multiple sources to attempt to find the right way to implement Romance in DA:I

I do sometimes get the odd funny comment right hey Barti

Yes Monte it is. You need to prove to me you are right, please don't be lazy. You have loads of time to comment on how much you dislike Romance but you can't spend 5 minutes researching perceptions around Twilight. This tells me you lack commitment around your perspective I generally don't research issues that I feel are absolute rubbish. But people can provide credible links that support the view that Twilight somehow supports abusive relationships and I'll read them Bruce, you know I'm fairly vocal around here in my support of feminism in general, so maybe you'll believe me when I say that Twilight's absolute garbage. Here's a fairly detailed analysis why. I do respect both of your opinions immensely on almost most issues of social justice. Thanks for the links, I'll read them and get back to you

Barti you should try to play the Hitman series with the non-lethal strategy. That takes real skill, if you can get through the game without killing anyone then "you are da man "

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that

I generally don't research issues that I feel are absolute rubbish. But people can provide credible links that support the view that Twilight somehow supports abusive relationships and I'll read them

You see your post highlights the issue I have with peoples opinions around Twilight. Its basically completely dismissive and condescending around something that millions of people really enjoy and identify with And that's the first time I have ever heard that Twilight somehow encourages acceptance of abusive relationships. You obviously are joking

oh thats clever....well played

Storage Area Network? What has that got to do with Gaider and the relevance of his blog

Yes I read that but he did watch all but one. Also his intention is to understand through various sources of popular entertainment, like Twilight, what resonates with people around topics like Romance. This is basically research for him and he is not watching Twilight to pass judgement on the entire genre.

That's very interesting, so you admit you haven't watched all the Twilight movies but you believe you can offer an informed opinion around the good and bad of this cult series ? Do you honestly think that this type of analysis would be considered acceptable and valid in RL around any other topic or subject that requires critical thinking? I'll leave it at that and you let ponder my words yes. is valid. how many episodes o' breaking bad were there? assume for a moment that we claimed to hate breaking bad. any jackarse that made claim that we should watch all five freaking seasons before making a judgment is nuts, stupid or just obtuse. am recalling that we walked out of a nicolas cage and tommy lee jones movie. how bad could it be with tommy lee jones and nicolas cage? were called firebirds and it were kinda a top gun knockoff... but cage was playing campy and everybody else were straight. 45 minutes were our limit, and no humane person woulda' demanded that we spend another minute watching before we justifiably dismissed firebirds as complete ****. we can go on if you wish. wheel of time books? how many of those were there? a dozen or so, right? each were 400-500 pages. no f-ing way. guess what, no novelist we know would demand that you read 24 chapters o' crap if the first 12 were horrible. we got some experience with this. is artists job to make appealing and not to make you endure. we is fair. not nice, but we is fair. HA! Good Fun! ps we liked breaking bad Fair enough, I agree about a long and excellent TV series like Breaking Bad. But I don't think its a fair and reasonable analogy to compare someone sitting through the entire Breaking Bad series just to confirm they don't like to someone watching the 5 Twilight movies in order to give objective analysis?

You right I could have said that and attempted to catch Gromnir out with that logic. But that isn't my intention. I was just raising the consideration with Gromnir that maybe he is doing exactly what Gaider is suggesting. He is disliking Twilight because " everyone" tells him its a puerile series. He is not practicing critical thinking but being more of a sheep. Also I don't think it is fair to suggest that anyone outside of being a 14 year old female teenager that enjoyed Twilight is a troglodyte that lives in a cellar. Especially if you haven't watched the entire series, this goes towards a persons credibility on a topic

I'm interested how you thought this thread would go? I never try to predict the direction or comments of people on forums when I comes to certain topics

That's very interesting, so you admit you haven't watched all the Twilight movies but you believe you can offer an informed opinion around the good and bad of this cult series ? Do you honestly think that this type of analysis would be considered acceptable and valid in RL around any other topic or subject that requires critical thinking? I'll leave it at that and you let ponder my words

Yeah, probably too many people complained.Me personally, I think Risen 2 is just meh not because of the pirates, but because the gameworld feels badly designed. Right now I feel no motivation to play Risen 3. The setting shown so far simply doesn't interest me at all. To be honest I'm confused by your guys comments. I don't know how you can formulate an opinion on the world setting in Risen 3 from a 2 minute video that showed a battle between the hero and some sort of undead necromancer in a ruin? Yes it doesn't appear to be a pirate theme, which I did enjoy, but surly we can't comment on the success of the Risen 3 theme until we actually know what it is....or am I missing something

No Gromnir you are mistaken on several levels Firstly you are doing exactly what Gaider talks about, you are dismissing the Twilight series and basically mocking the people who enjoy watching it. Do you think too many people are now going to say " yes I enjoyed Twilight " after your characterization of what constitutes Twilight fans? So basically you are drinking the "anti-Twilight kool aid " But what concerns me the most is you are saying you don't like Twilight but have you watched all movies in the series so you can engage in honest critical thinking about the good and bad ? Finally of course the themes of Romance are universal, you don't need to be a 14 year teenage girl to want fall in love and find true happiness. The idea of Cinderella may be naïve and idealistic but that doesn't change the fact that human beings do aspire for happiness and the idea of love, romance and contentment. Romance is something on a certain level that resonates with all of us if you are honest with yourself and you understand the definition.

Can you determine why they aren't active though? Is the forum (or its posters) uninviting or are women uninterested in posting? The recent boob armour discussion is a good example. Mihura posted she didn't like boob armour. (I'm assuming she's a girl). Also, I noticed that it was the guys who wanted boob scale armour or didn't have a problem with it. Yet, when a female posts her dislike for it, there's immediate disagreement from the guys. Even so far as someone pointing out Mihura's forum avatar. So it went from disagreement of boob armour to pointing out forums avatars? Then science and animals was introduced and Mihura pointed out 'Let's not go there'. Eventually, it appears Mihura has decided not to waste any more time and leave. I can see why some females may not be interested in posting on these forums. It's just not worth it. I'm not defending or white knighting. It's just an observation I noticed in that thread. Am I the only individual who thought it was Ms Mihura whom was being a touch confrontational and impolite, I was in general supporting her position on de-emphasising the bust and yet got called stupid for my troubles, and the tone of her posts to other respondents was similarly rather abrupt. Then again I am old fashioned and courteous to a fault so may be more easily shocked. Okay Nonek what did you say to her? You sound very guilty about something, tell me exactly how the conversation went and I'll let you know if it was sexist or dismissive. I am very good at determining intentional and unintentional bias against minority groups. Sometimes people don't even realize they are doling it so consider me your social justice barometer to help you wade through this sea of moral and offensive uncertainty. But you need to be honest and tell me EXACTLY what you said and how you said it You seem to be missing the point of my posts. Did you not read this part of what I posted before: If you're going to ridicule and take the discussion off topic and attack them, then I can understand why they might not feel welcome. So here's an easy question. If male gamers make personal attacks against female gamers, will they feel welcome? On a more serious note Hiro has succinctly summarised the real issue at hand. We should all be asking ourselves this question "how do we make female gamers feel welcome " Of course personal attacks don't help the situation but there is more we can all do if we are honest. I am not going to make any suggestions. It would be great if everyone thought about this and posted there own ideas. Remember this is no such thing as a bad suggestion around this discussion so don't be nervous that people may dismiss your views

Gorthfucius !!!! Where have you been, it seems like ages since I read one of your erudite and omnipotent posts

am feeling the same... although we probable fall into the **** category. the thing is, Gromnir treats everybody equal bad. oddly enough, this endeared us to many o' the female posters at old interplay boards. we don't like lack o' fairness, so maybe that strikes some kinda resonating chord. dunno. regardless, am thinking most women ain't as frail as they is frequent portrayed. treat with same respect/disrespect as male counterparts, and female gamers/posters respond positively... for the most part. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir have you not noticed there are very few females members active on these forums? Am I the only one who is concerned by this and wonders why? Can you determine why they aren't active though? Is the forum (or its posters) uninviting or are women uninterested in posting? Those are the most relevant questions to the topic and I am not sure of the answers, it could be either but is probably a combination. Either way I don't think its a fantastic indictment. What do you think? But I'm also not sure what you could do to change it, these forums are open to all and have an active policy of not allowing discrimination so what could we realistically do differently to get female members more active?

I've said this before and I'll say it again "white, straight males don't need a safe place. Everywhere is our safe place "

I wouldn't want to be part of any forum/guild/group or any other system that said women weren't welcome. And to be honest I would consider myself lucky to not associate with people who had those views

am feeling the same... although we probable fall into the **** category. the thing is, Gromnir treats everybody equal bad. oddly enough, this endeared us to many o' the female posters at old interplay boards. we don't like lack o' fairness, so maybe that strikes some kinda resonating chord. dunno. regardless, am thinking most women ain't as frail as they is frequent portrayed. treat with same respect/disrespect as male counterparts, and female gamers/posters respond positively... for the most part. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir have you not noticed there are very few females members active on these forums? Am I the only one who is concerned by this and wonders why?