BruceVC

Admittedly I haven't looked at how things went down in places like reddit or 4chan, but in the confines of what I have seen, my perception matches that of TrueNeutral: For the record, I don't consider abuse acceptable on either side of this (or any) conflict. @BruceVC But don't you see a problem with taking a descriptive term that an entire subculture made up of a diverse set of people have chosen to positively self-identify with, and trying to overload it with a narrow and negative meaning for rhetorical purposes? Even when sincere (rather than just an excuse for demeaning the whole group), I would call that "negligent lack of clarity" at best, and "intolerant dismissal of other people's identity" at worst. Imagine if someone started a campaign of rudely lashing out against "LGBT people". Or "members of hip-hop culture". Or "Muslims". And when confronted with backlash, said "What's your problem? I consider that label to only refer to bad people!" ...Would you respond with "Oh, okay, carry on then"? I wouldn't... No I don't really see any problem with what I am saying and trying to explain. But you have given me a way to make an excellent analogy to reinforce my point. Personally I have an issue with Muslim extremists, like ISIS and Boko Haram, but not with Muslims. But within the Muslim community there are some people who think criticism directed at extremism is the same as criticism towards the whole Muslim community. But its not and that's not what I am saying. Its not my fault that people can't distinguish between the two. The word "gamer" doesn't mean all gamers, but if people keep wanting to believe that they are creating unnecessary vexation for themselves

Hi JFSOCC "waves" How long are you in Italy for?

I don't understand why Scotland would really to separate from such a prestigious and successful union as the UK especially with all the new concessions they are getting. I have heard most of the arguments from the SNP and Alex Salmond but they wouldn't convince me if I was Scottish I think this type of independence is overrated

I know I shouldn't find these posts funny but they did make me laugh But aren't you worried about the economic impact, the Pound has already lost some value and that's just because the Yes vote is ahead, imagine how the pound will be hammered if they actually get independence?

That doesn't bother me, I'm happy to wait that long

I have also had to fake certain expected emotions at funerals and other events. But I think we all grieve in our own way. You will probably get upset later but in your own time

If only the English language had adjectives. It means a gaming enthusiast, simple, believe it always has done that, even though you and your kind would like to redefine it to suit this purpose. In any event, that's still crap - if it means white males, that means all white males are the bad guy then ? Okay I see you guys still don't understand what the term "gamer " refers to. I'll try to explain it one more time because I have honestly explained this about 5-6 times on this thread alone The term "gamer" does not refer to all white male gamers. If you look at websites like RPS or the Escapist the majority of there fan demographic happens to be white males ( the same as these forums) so why would these websites attack and insult there own fanbase with a generalization that "gamers " are misogynistic. What business sense would this make? What are advantages of this? Its like opening a Mexican restaurant and saying you hate Mexicans. Its illogical So the answer is "they wouldn't and they haven't ". The word "gamer " refers to white males who refuse to recognise inclusivity and changes to the gaming industry. The words "the gamer is dead" applies to people who don't want to be part of the change in the industry. But this is also figurative, you mustn't take it literally. It doesn't actually mean people who are opposed to change must be killed, it just means many websites who support inclusivity won't tolerate an opinion that says " gaming is the select domain of men" You guys have decided to create your own interpretation for this word for reasons that stupefy me. If you disagree with me please find one article posted about this development, outside of radical feminists who I admit many seem to have an inbred dislike of men, that says the term "gamer" refers to all white males? In summary no gaming journalist is going to that stupid to basically suggest that the largest gaming demographic in most gaming genres , white males, is irrelevant and bigoted. That is not what gaming journalists are saying

I've been assured by people supporting the journalists that this is not the case, which is the problem. These journalists carry weight and have reach - the moment those articles went up, the connection has been made and some of their readers went on the attack. No half-hearted retraction such as the one from Rock Paper Shotgun is going to matter. What do you think the word " gamer" means in this topic? Every single person who plays games? White males who play games or something else?

You wrong. Personally i support continue of war (but not support neither side in this war) and don't like such politics of Russian government (and don't like Russian government also). Such events as wars is very good for progressive society changes (WW1 - give birth for USSR, WW2 crush colonialism), isolation of Russia is very good too... Just reminder about World Revolution 2.0. http://scepsis.net/eng/articles/id_10. I'm confused by your perspective now? Do you not support Putin and political aspirations?

Yeah that makes sense as well, its more and difficult to convince people to part with there money when there have been several subpar and disappointing KS games

Interesting post, I wonder what's the real reason they won't use funding systems like KS again? I wonder if its more to do with the criticism they received for not adhering to what people perceived the game was suppose to be about ?

Yes there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine and no Russian military support of the separatists

Could be, I think this is more about the fact that this conflict is really spiralling out of control and sanctions are increasing and Russia realizes that a military solution will in the long term harm them more than a diplomatic one. But we can never say for sure what motivates Putin so this just may be a way for Russia to rest and consolidate its military strategy

Oby why has Russia agreed to this ceasefire? I thought Putin didn't care what the West wanted or thought and he just did what he wanted?

Its not a bad read, he positions the whole " yes women are more likely the victims of sexual violence than men but men are also treated more unfairly then women in institutions like family court " in way that is objective So I think its a reasonable article because he does acknowledge the gender inequality that exists in society that effect both men and women

Yes as far as I know it could be still be part of the Commonwealth if it wanted to, but I'm not sure about points like what currency would Scotland use and would they be part of the EU?

You've raised a good point and it is related to the definition of certain words and what we decide they mean. But we do need consistency, do we accept that certain words don't mean what the official dictionary says they mean based on the context and the discussion at the time? Or do we say that a words definition doesn't ever change irrespective of the context? The meaning of words changes over time. Sometimes the dictionary doesn't keep up. The problem in this situation is that you have 8 or 9 journalists using "gamer" to mean the unwashed basement dwelling mysoginist arseholes, and everyone else reading it and thinking "why are they being so hostile to me and my fellow gamers?" not realizing they have suddenly narrowed the definition. It wasn't a natural evolution of the word, it was a bunch of people writing nonsense. Sure I understand your concern. I feel the same frustration. There are several people on these forums who say feminism means a hatred of men and that feminism means that women must be more fairly represented at the expense of men. But what can we do about people who refuse to understand or accept what words really mean?

As I've said numerous times the word " gamer" doesn't mean all gamers, in this discussion it has never meant that. Its just become a convenient way for people like you to vent and show outrage at "the terrible way you have been treated by gaming journalists and the industry " The irony being you have never respected and liked gaming journalists anyway, so its just double standards and false indignation The problem here is how upset you get when it seems like the majority of people have a negative view of the word feminist, but the negative interpretation for that comes from decades of misuse and negative association. Gamer has never meant anything but "people who play games" until the game bloggers decided to hijack the meaning for this discussion. This is why #GamerGate got so many supporters. Imagine how mad you would be if there wasn't any negative association with feminist and everyone widely accepted the term to mean someone who believed in equality, and suddenly all the feminist blogs suddenly started using it to exclusively describe the crazy "all sex is rape, men are the cause of evils, long live the matriarchy" feminists and decry the end of feminism. You've raised a good point and it is related to the definition of certain words and what we decide they mean. But we do need consistency, do we accept that certain words don't mean what the official dictionary says they mean based on the context and the discussion at the time? Or do we say that a words definition doesn't ever change irrespective of the context?

As I've said numerous times the word " gamer" doesn't mean all gamers, in this discussion it has never meant that. Its just become a convenient way for people like you to vent and show outrage at "the terrible way you have been treated by gaming journalists and the industry " The irony being you have never respected and liked gaming journalists anyway, so its just double standards and false indignation

But of course you understand the concern from the UK, the UK has to be strict with Polish immigrants because the last thing the UK wants is thousands of Polish mass murderers running through the streets of London and inflicting carnage and mayhem on people trying to have there tea and scones? You can understand why the British want to prevent this disruption to there lifestyle, its not unreasonable .....

Do you think the majority of people in Texas would vote for independence if there was a referendum? With current situation in states not only Texas. I'm not with you ? What current situation in the USA, do you think that despite some of the perceived economic and political challenges in the USA states would really want to be independent? I don't think so ....

This is a really insightful post but its far to reasonable and logical for this thread If you are shocked by the viciousness of SJW you should read some of the comments directed towards feminists and there supporters. Comments like " a women like you needs a good raping to sort you out " But the main thing for me that I have found completely exasperating about this debate has been the constant and deliberate attempts by people to intentionally misunderstand the intentions of gaming journalists and many people who support Zoe Quinn. And it really comes down to the word " gamer". As I've tried to explain the word doesn't apply to all gamers, but it does apply to those gamers who refuse to accept change in the industry. And this applies to those white, ,male gamers who don't believe in inclusivity. But once again this doesn't mean all white, male gamers. Anyway its always best to stay on the side of virtue and righteousness ....fight the good SJ fight

Do you think the majority of people in Texas would vote for independence if there was a referendum?

Yea that would be cool