BruceVC

Today is a public holiday in South Africa, its called Heritage Day. Its a day where we celebrate our diversity and the fact we all come from different cultures but we are all South African Its also called Braai ( Barbeque) Day so the idea is people spend the day around the braai with friends and family. And that's always a good time to have a public holiday

Guys quick snap poll because I haven't played this game yet. Which game in your opinion is better, WL2 or DA2 ?

Better? Yes much better, he is hot. Now do you have one with him wearing knee-high boots and fishnet stockings ?

Funny

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about. Of course I am not saying everyone on GG has the same motives. There are some legitimate points raised by some people on it. But unfortunately you have your extremists along with your moderates. So many people won't be associated with it because of the extremist elementAnd the extremists have been condemned here, so why keep bringing them up? Now that's a strawman, I thought we were talking about why Obsidian doesn't actively support GG? I gave you a reason why, now you asking why am I bringing it up because "that has already been condemneD" Your point has nothing to do why Obsidian may or may not support GG You aren't very good with English. We were talking about how you keep misrepresenting what GamerGate is about, not why Obsidian hasn't said anything about it. Incorrect, since I started posting today I have only raised issues about why Obsidian isn't active on GG. Just because you decided to change the discussion halfway through and now make it about "why am I misrepresenting what GG is about " doesn't change the reason I made the original point So once again nice Strawman

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about. Of course I am not saying everyone on GG has the same motives. There are some legitimate points raised by some people on it. But unfortunately you have your extremists along with your moderates. So many people won't be associated with it because of the extremist element And the extremists have been condemned here, so why keep bringing them up? Now that's a strawman, I thought we were talking about why Obsidian doesn't actively support GG? I gave you a reason why, now you asking why am I bringing it up because "that has already been condemneD" Your point has nothing to do why Obsidian may or may not support GG

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about. Of course I am not saying everyone on GG has the same motives. There are some legitimate points raised by some people on it. But unfortunately you have your extremists along with your moderates. So many people won't be associated with it because of the extremist element

And that's the nice thing about these forums, we are all entitled to our opinions. And maybe you right

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP

Maybe the reason that Obsidian doesn't openly support GG is that they fundamentally don't support it because they feel the way Zoe and others have been treated is worse than any perceived outrage certain gamers feel due to the subjective definition of a word? Did it ever occur to you guys that maybe they just think GG is ultimately a flawed initiative?

Nope, what makes someone gay is, well, being gay, that doesn't matter whether you're poor or rich. But a reasonable amount of money is a factor that makes someone more likely to be 'socially aware'. If I think about that logic it does make sense, a very impoverished person is not really going to care about gay rights in Russia because there primary objectives would be survival

Are you sure that's confirmed because the interview I watched with him he said they didn't know the full scope of the violence, then when he saw the video they decided to act against Ray Rice

Intelligence reports say they were raped and killed. Seriously? Or are you joking What kind of sick joke would that be? Do you have any links, I want to read about this

No the game is fun and I thought kept you interested in the narrative the whole way

Intelligence reports say they were raped and killed. Seriously? Or are you joking

Funniest line of the week

After beating the game and loving the direction it took in the latter half, I basically started consuming every video and article that discussed it in detail. There were a lot of very similar interpretations of authorial intent there, and most of those were proven correct in Walt Williams' We Are Not Heroes: Contextualizing Violence Through Narrative session at GDC 2013 Well all I can say is "Well done Sir" , that was very fascinating

So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no. So, when Quinn posts stuff on Twitter about her abuse or Sarkeesian 'quotes' stuff there as well, you're ok with doubting that, correct ? I was told that was a big no no. That's different Malc, they're SJWs so they would never lie. There is a propaganda war going on from both sides and people like you are falling for it. They use the easily influenced to spread the misinformation, not all information is false but don't think for a second there isn't an orchestrated campaign to align people to either side. Stop being manipulated No I don't believe Twitter comments, I need real links that I can verify. Have you ever known me to post Twitter links

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics It should be below you He probably just forgot to put a winkie emoticon after it. You not still annoyed with me about that Neo-Nazi comment are you, you know I was teasing you

Nonek the word " fascists" is a naughty word, we don't like to call people that. Its like playing the Hitler card, its just hyperbole and theatrics It should be below you

Why are you victim blaming, Bruce ? Listen and believe! Guys seriously, all I'm going to say is if you endeavour to partake in truthful and interesting debates where you make a point from a position of intellectualism ( and I assume this applies to all of us ) and when asked to substantiate your point all you can produce is Twitter comments.....you are in big trouble of people questioning the validity and credibility of that information " Do you guys want to know something the USA is building prisons on the moon and will be sending all Islamic extremists there to serve there sentence. Its true, I read it on Twitter" You see my point

Three things: A) While helping Syrian rebel certainly did benefit ISIS; that wasn't the intention of Israel or the US. It was another unintended consequence of our idiotic interventionist attitude. B) The US is no one's puppet. We are however, bleeding heart fools who seem to have forgotten how to mind our own business; this tends to be a problem as we don't always even understand the situations we get ourselves into. Iraq is a good example of how pathetic our understanding of a situation can be. C) Israel is hardly to blame for ISIS. America is very much at fault however. Starting with our aid to al-Qaeda when they were fighting the USSR in Afghanistan. Followed by our hapless invasion of Iraq. Finally, we gave aid to a bunch of radicals we knew nothing about in their fight against a brutal but secular Assad. Ladies and gentlemen: America's brilliant foreign policy. Some good points raised, a couple of considerations ISIS in its current structure is the due to the prolonged civil war in Syria and the fact that when the USA left Iraq Al-Maliki didn't incorporate the Sunnis in the new government. I'm not sure why you feel the USA is responsible for either of these? In fact as I've often said if the USA and its allies hadn't be vetoed in the UNSC by Russia and China they would have intervened in Syria years ago, like Libya, and ISIS wouldn't even exist. Remember Syria is there homeland and "birthplace" in there current form and they only exist because Assad has been incapable of dealing with them so they become stronger as more people flocked to there cause America never aided Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, they helped the Mujahideen who were fighting the occupation by the USSR. No one knew that Al-Qaeda would evolve eventually from some of the Mujahideen fighters and also remember that the Cold War was on going at the time and the greater evil was always Communism. There were various proxy wars fought between the USA and USSR and sometimes from the assistance that both powers provided there were unforeseen consequences that came to effect years later. That's why the USA basically ignored Apartheid for so long because South Africa was staunchly opposed to Communism

Did you find with all your training you were doing it helped you sleep?

Extra Credits (<- as spoiler-free as can be) and Errant Signal should explain it more than adequately. If you haven't played through Chapter 8, then you haven't reached the part where the game starts making its point. Starts. Before that the game carries itself like a dudebro shooter with subtle hints to the contrary No, absolutely not. Never. Suggesting anything like that makes it clear that the entire message of the game went very much over your head. Imagine the reveal in Kotor 2 where your weird nature as a wound in the force is why you get XP and level up from killing things, amplify its importance by 10, then say "this should have been a book". No. Player agency and the illusion of player choice are fundamental to the message the game is trying to convey here. It's actually not- It's a subversive discussion on the shooter genre itself. I'm going to assume you haven't gotten far yet How did you guys know all this about the game, its very interesting

No offense TN but is social media really irrefutable proof of anything? Like that photo of the syringe...how do you know its real? Can you possibly post some credible links that can be verified?