BruceVC

What was the surgery for? Exploratory? She has chronic pancreatitis. A couple years ago, her pancreas flared up and she was in the hospital for about a week. They don't really know what caused it, possibly her birth control pills. Since then she has been on a restricted diet and takes enzymes with every meal to help process fat and sugar. She had a flare up again recently, but it wasn't quite as bad. The problem is it has not improved at all (although it hasn't gotten much worse) so they want to take a closer look. It's not really clear why it is happening. We get an MRI next. Sorry to hear that, my thoughts are with you

But this event is much more nuanced than " lets bring the SJ brigade on-board and express our outrage " For me I support real SJ issues, so I am interested in how relevant this video is. And what I mean by that is there have been several opinions on this thread that have made me question how clear cut the point this video is making As I said in the beginning this video was being discussed on a prominent South African radio talk show in the 4-6 am slot So I plan to call in tomorrow morning early and give a different perspective. And I'll be honest several views on this thread have helped me with that opinion

Funny enough one of the reasons I questioned the accuracy of this video but I didn't say anything was "how come it seems to be only African Americans who are commenting on her " Its like they selected certain neighbourhoods to do this social experiment? It does seem a little slanted ? Well done Malc, you have this uncanny ability to find certain interesting links

Not sure if trolling..... No, my comment is real? That's exactly what the video is suppose to demonstrate. Not sure why you think I'm trolling?

It must be a very sad place where you live in. I (or people here) never had any issues with people greeting you or approaching you. Maybe because a lot of people here are tourists asking for direction or something. But in general I don't have this fear of insane people around every corner. If normal looking people greet you politely you respond politely. I did run into a few crazy people on the streets, but those were the one that talk to themselves and you wonder what they are doing on the streets and not in a loony bin. That video looks so staged it's hillarious. Again just to clarify, obviously you can pick up on people who have different motivations (tourist, lost or confused person, someone who needs help), but I just said that as general advice for visiting big cities. I would agree with the desire to not respond to those people though. My mom used to greet people like that and she got followed by the crazies CONSTANTLY until people finally told her to stop being an idiot and acknowledging them. Wasn't saying "omg be paranoid at all times," it's just generally a good idea to seriously size people up and unless a practical motivation is obvious (business, requesting help, etc), best not to acknowledge in bigger cities. And again that's exclusive for bigger cities, not everywhere else. Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ?

You mean it's really creepy just walking beside him for 5 minutes. The dude just walks, she is clearly trying to walk at the same speed as him. The guy even looks at her with "wtf are you doing" stare few times. And following someone who is heading the same way is harassment? It's the most efficient way of walking or driving. Just set yourself behind someone heading the same way and you can mostly drift off in thoughts. No dude, that's obviously not what is happening. He is walking next to her and making it quite uncomfortable

No its a serious video that is attempting to highlight the issue of harassment directed towards some women who walk the streets of any large city Normally I am very supportive and in agreement of these types of developments but I am not convinced that this video accurately raises a real issue in this example ?

"Traffic light". Yeah we also call them that and we call them a robot. I only thought afterwards that Traffic light is a universal name

Maybe she would, but it shouldn't be assumed. So we still need to accept that a good looking rich boy can also be guilty of harassment ? I will accept when I will see a single instance where a good looking rich guy will be treated the same way as a bad looking poor fellow. Before that I will stay by my personal research in the subject that concludes in: women want to be harassed only by good looking rich men and ban everybody else. I can agree to a certain degree, most people are less likely to say " harassment " if its someone that they find attractive or appealing on some levels But the one consideration is we mustn't use this as a reason to dismiss real cases or accusations of harassment. I know its a fine line to walk because its easy to think people are inconsistent but there is a difference

Again I just wanna say this not so much in regards to this issue, but a little (important) life knowledge: there ARE cities where it's typically a bad idea to respond to a stranger saying things as simple as "how are you." I'm not talking a guy with some flyers to pass out or someone obviously trying to promote a product or whatever, but some random person chatting you up. This applies to both men and women. There's sadly some unstable people out there and you simply don't know what'll trigger them, so it's best to ignore them. No eye contact, no vocal acknowledgement, no nothing. Just keep walking and if you feel followed or in danger, head towards someplace you feel safe. While I actually do have respect for the modest and humble efforts by that Hollaback group, I also think it's still a truth that this issue cannot universally be weeded out so long as mentally unstable people walk the streets. I would dare say those men who followed her (and maybe one guy that was dressed very odd) do not count as good evidence of "harassment" in my mind solely because I question their stability. They could've easily acted weird towards anyone, but attractive people unfortunately attract crazies as well and thus have to cope with them more. You have made an interesting point, maybe in some places you just cant take the chance of greeting someone back because they may be mentally unbalanced and will misread your intentions? This probably isn't common but it is a valid concern

Never. That's the normal experience , but I really am different in that respect and I have met some really interesting guys just from offering them a drink. And there is no risk of them thinking "I'm actually hitting on them " because I normally do this in places like Hooters We know guys buy ladies drinks but for me lets say I meet a lady at a bar and she has a guy friend. I make sure I offer him a drink and include him in the conversation, because I ask myself "how would I like to feel if the roles were reversed " In other words being cut out the conversation just because someone likes my lady friend is not nice. Also the lady you are talking to realizes that you aren't threatened by her guy friends and I see it as a way of showing respect

Maybe she would, but it shouldn't be assumed. So we still need to accept that a good looking rich boy can also be guilty of harassment ?

I'm interested in this perspective and reasoning, what is the basis for this type of thinking ?

Yes the whole issue of statuary rape can be very controversial In South Africa the legal age limit for sex is 16 but the reality is we have girls who fall pregnant from the age of 12 and onwards ( mostly from 14 ) So now they have passed new legislation that says consensual sex between two people under the age of 16 cannot be statuary rape

Yeah I'm sure being a beautiful woman (as opposed to an unattractive one) would just suck. If that's their only problem... they have no problems. Being a beautiful woman looks much easier than being a poor dude. Growing up without much money, I tend to view stuff like this as sort of inconsequential. I suppose that's just my unchecked privilege though. That's true, when was the last time some guy bought you a shooter at a bar just because he is being friendly ? For the record I hate drinking by myself and I have on several occasions bought men drinks or asked them to join me for a shooter if I'm by myself

Good points raised, I suppose the argument would be men generally aren't exposed to the same type of constant harassment that potentially women are. So a man getting greeted by random women is probably not as common and therefore not such a big issue?

Yeah that's a very valid point, your chance of success is almost zero Its funny and I have mentioned this before, I have several friends who work at Hooters and they constantly tell me stories about pick-up lines they are subjected to at work by guys who think " this is really going to impress them " ...yet they have really heard every single line in the book. And the most annoying thing is they have to smile and just pretend it doesn't bother them

It's suffocating. Try to imagine yourself constantly being talked to or acknowledged by others. You'd feel as though you can't get a moment alone, and if you're shy or anxious by nature, then strangers would surely worry you. Yeah you right, I can completely understand that perspective. It must be awful, but remember that video is a social experiment. And she intentionally walked through certain areas in Manhattan to see if she would get a certain reaction ?

Sure you right, and I have acknowledged that there are weird people on this video that have overstepped what is acceptable communication. So I'm not defending those people But why its relevant for me is its now doing the rounds on the South African media circuit ( well it will be for the next 24 hours and then people will move on ) and its really getting lambasted by the talk show hosts because "it shows how hard women have it some cities where they can't walk anywhere without getting harassed " I just think that isn't a fair representation of the video and what it means, or rather for everyone on the video?

A women phoned in on the radio station that played this video after I commented and basically said " men don't think its harassment until its happened to them, this video is absolutely harassment and an invasion of a persons space" Now I felt guilty when she said this because she was suggesting that I don't understand the plight of women and how they do get harassed But once again parts of this video surly aren't harassment? So I don't think its as simple as labelling this video as " unequivocal harassment " ?

You and I are normally on opposite sides of the discussion around these topics but I think you raise some good points in this post

Okay. Bruce. Please step back and breathe, and please do not use buzzwords like this that make it easy to legitimize the idea that there are such a thing as SJWs. It would be nice if you answered my question instead of criticizing my choice of words Its easier to just say SJ code instead of going into great detail explaining my view on issues like sexism and racism We all know what a " SJ code " means as most people know my stance on these matters

I finished the first one and I did enjoy it, its not as good as Dead Rising but it was fun exploring the resort and doing some of the quests I'll play this one but later when its on a Steam sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A Some of you have seen this video. The reason why I am posting it and getting peoples opinions is that its doing the rounds on a prominent South African talk show and the general consensus is that it is harassment But I am not sure it is a good example? There is no doubt that some people are harassing her and overdoing the effort to speak to her but some guys are just greeting her. Is being friendly now something that is wrong? The reason why I am asking is I often greet ladies I don't know and they generally always respond with a greeting back, but I am worried that maybe I am unintentionally breaking some part of my SJ code? Am I actually harassing women just by greeting them? I doubt it but this video is good talking point around what is the difference between greeting someone and harassing them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A So this video that was posted in the Attractive Womens Thread is now on this radio station I listen to, its interesting because most people seem to think its an example of harassment and so does the radio talk show host I phoned in to basically say " not everyone is actually harassing her, some people are just greeting her" That didn't go down very well and someone said " I don't understand what women go through in society" " I don't understand what women go through in society !!!! " Don't they know I'm a SJW !!!! Its weird to think of people thinking I'm not properly committed to SJ causes