BruceVC

Ýou see this is also a valid point...there are homeless people, that can be victims in RL, in GTA that you can kill. So once again another valid criticism of the article

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore In summary many hookers in RL are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry? By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered? You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same? The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want? Young black men are the most likely to be killed in America, particularly poor young black men. The conditions these people live in are terrible, with little opportunity for making legitimate money or advancement and crime being rampant around them. Seeing as the conditions many poor young black men live in are awful, why is murdering them in GTA acceptable but killing prostitutes not? Look this is a good point that could be argued, you right I did say I don't support this article anymore? I am just explaining its perspective

No I have no shame, should I? I go to legal strip clubs, why should I be ashamed ? None of the girls are trafficked..they work there as it pays well...they aren't forced. You don't seem to know much about strip clubs ? But Nonek please stop pretending you actually care about the plight of girls who work in the sex industry. I doubt you do considering your contempt for women who wear revealing clothes..like when you said that young girls going out partying where you live were dressed looking like whores....nice choice of words there to describe a liberated and confident young women...very progressive And you still missing the point, hookers in RL can be victims due to there lifestyle choice ...what crimes are you talking about You can go to however many strip clubs you wish to Bruce, you're right I have no need to pay women for their company and would not think of doing so, as I do not see women as pieces of meat to buy. However that is different to the prostitution you boast of indulging in, which is illegal and harmful to women across the world, and certainly makes your claims of supporting social justice hypocritical and two faced. I do care for and respect women, and do not have contempt for women whom wear party clothing, I actually like the modern trend of dressing outrageously, though I do not wish my daughters to do so. As for when I said whores, that was in response to you calling Volourn's niece a whore, you brought that up not me, and i'd prefer such a term to be used rather than a politically correct term that abusers find comfortable such as escort. Anybody can be a victim of crime in real life whatever their lifestyle choices, not just sex workers, a child could understand this. You don't understand my connection with strip clubs, you don't understand the context or why I go so lets stop throwing around this baseless criticism every single time you have a debate with me. Its really childish and I would think this type of debating etiquette was below you ? I can't explain for a fourth time why hookers in the game can be seen as different to other characters..sorry I give up trying to get you to see the point

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ? And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL When I engage in spree shootings in GTA are the victims not the equivalent of the victims of real spree shootings? You're equating game actions with issues in the real world, so it bears to reason that what's true for one is true for all. Nitpicking at just the cases that make you feel the worse is the most telling bias of SJ; it is not about equality it is about emotion. Which is why you can't justify your subjective reasoning to people using objective reasoning since your argument comes down to feelings. I keep explaining this point and it seems none of you guys are getting it so I must assume I am not explaining it properly The issue with hookers is that they are often victims of a lifestyle choice in RL . None of the other random people you can kill in GTA are like this. They have normal jobs, like a hotdog seller

No I have no shame, should I? I go to legal strip clubs, why should I be ashamed ? None of the girls are trafficked..they work there as it pays well...they aren't forced. You don't seem to know much about strip clubs ? But Nonek please stop pretending you actually care about the plight of girls who work in the sex industry. I doubt you do considering your contempt for women who wear revealing clothes..like when you said that young girls going out partying where you live were dressed looking like whores....nice choice of words there to describe a liberated and confident young women...very progressive And you still missing the point, hookers in RL can be victims due to there lifestyle choice ...what crimes are you talking about

" buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash" You still on about this as if it makes any difference to me..I am not embarrassed and there is no contradiction on what I say Its seems fatuous to keep repeating something spurious ..remember the whole " please no soapbox sermons "

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ? And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore In summary many hookers in RL are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry? By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered? You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same? The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want?

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore In summary many hookers in RL are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game It was you who first suggested that course Bruce, not me. Just remind me of the context? here's your quote from this thread: Mature discussion on LGBT/Feminists who want to censor games. Since I know you don't advocate piracy, I simply took the logical leap that paying and buying were synonomous Yes ...but I see now contradiction in what I said ? My point is absolutely valid, if a person doesn't like game design decisions then don't buy the game but for me having hookers in GTAV is not such an egregious decision that I feel I need to now not buy the game. If I felt strongly enough about a design feature then I would boycott a game, like Hatred

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game It was you who first suggested that course Bruce, not me. Just remind me of the context?

How about following your own earlier advice and not buy the game in the first place if you don't like the game design decisions? Thats a strange point from someone of your reasonable nature and intelligence My issue with having hookers in GTAV is not serious enough that I would not buy the game...thats just silly Hookers must represent about 1-3 % of the overall game

Who said I want to remove hookers from GTAV because I dont like what they do in RL? As I have said several times I have no issue with sex workers or strippers And no sex is not bad but thats not the point

1) It is unreasonable for a game the size and scope of GTA. 2) Why? Judge your own actions. Why do you need the author to tell you right from wrong? Why do you need the virtual world to be policed? I am loving GTAV but they should just remove hookers completely from the game, it will have a negligible impact on the overall game play but reduce the controversy Yes, because this very corner of the internet didn't just explode for a few days simply because of the removal of a poem from a niche game. Yeah there would be a level of outrage but it would be misplaced like the limerick event Besides companies are allowed to make changes to gaming formulas if they feel it is relevant

Yes that would also work..but I am not suggesting we remove anything else...just the hookers

So that is what it's all about then? You are not going to listen to people of a different nationality? I am incredibly grateful that's not how things work in the scientific world. There's nothing inherently "Scandinavian" about proportional representation. The two most popular systems of proportional representation were first formulated in Belgium and France (although France uses neither of them, obviously). Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with culture. Back in the days everybody used FPTP variants, because it's the simplest way to arrange elections. Then at some point it became feasible to use more advanced systems, which might require voting results to be summed up centrally before final results can be announced, and more complicated mathematical formulae. At that point a lot of people switched to proportional representation, becuase that is what most people want out of democracy - that the parliament reflects national voter sympathies. The old system of FPTP voting is instead an absurd game where the biggest party wins, which might not reflect popular opinion at all. If 20% vote right-wing and 80% vote left-wing, but spread their votes evenly across eight parties, the right-wing will win. If this is not a complete bankruptcy of a voting system, then I don't know what is. This is also illustrated in practice by the Green Party in the UK elections, which serves as a spoiler for the left-wing. But this has nothing at all to do with what we are discussing. Nothing. At. All. This is about proportional representation, in case you have missed it. Not what people vote for in certain countries. In any case, the last Swedish election resulting in a left-wing majority took place in 2002 - 13 years ago. There has not been a consistent left-wing majority in polls for some time. You heard it from me first - you might want to revise your picture of Sweden as a left-wing country. Just look at the UK - the results of proportional representation would disfavour the Tories most, and favour the UKIP instead. That's definitely a shift to the right. SNP would also be hit hard by proportional representation. Dont take Monte's comment personally Ros..you know the English, very intransigent The rest of us really enjoy your insights. I wish my country was run like the the Scandinavian countries ..I think overall you guys have the most effective government model to uplift your citizens and ensure economic prosperity

1) It is unreasonable for a game the size and scope of GTA. 2) Why? Judge your own actions. Why do you need the author to tell you right from wrong? Why do you need the virtual world to be policed? I am loving GTAV but they should just remove hookers completely from the game, it will have a negligible impact on the overall game play but reduce the controversy

Which they shouldn't, according to you, because...? I find worrisome that there exists so many idiots in this society. You're dodging the question. Unlike what our experience in first grade has taught us, calling people who don't agree with us names does not count as a coherent argument about why they're wrong. Nice try, because i never implied that they shouldn't say anything. People can say whatever they want, but if it is idiotic, it simply just is, as i pointed out. I give you a B+. Yes but why are they idiotic...its not enough to say " they are idiots " ...why are they idiots ?

Irrefutable proof of how hard Finnish is to comprehend for mortal man

My citation says 10 per 100,000 deaths. Personally, I do not look it as numbers so much as I do lives. Do you realize that 10 deaths per 100,000, if we were to apply that to Obsidian forums as an example, means ten of us would be gone right now. Every life should be valued. I know that sounds corny, but think about yourself, all your uniqueness and all your stories and opinions you'd like to tell, and every single other human on earth is exactly as unique. The phrase "you are special, just like everyone" is infact not a paradox. 10 per 100000 deaths in the US are due to guns? Last study I looked at(http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809516) shows obesity being responsible for 18.2% of deaths. That's 18200 per 100000. Being obese kills 1820x the rate of a machine designed to kill. I'd say violence is certainly isn't much, and obesity is easier to address both culturally and legally than guns, which are protected by an amendment and one of the most effective political lobbies in the world. As someone who has personally suffered with weight issues, including obesity, I can say that it is much worse than the statistically insignificant damage gun violence causes, in that it renders the lives of those who suffer with it plagued with health problems and a sense of worthlessness. Addressing the issues that cause obesity, such as the crap food available to low-income households or the lack of education in nutrition and fitness is also easier to do than touch gun ownership. I always notice that when I visit the USA..you have the most beautiful people in the world but also seemingly the most obese

Which they shouldn't, according to you, because...? I find worrisome that there exists so many idiots in this society. That doesn't really answer the question...or am I missing some nuances here?

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic Finland needs to abolish finnish and change it back to the swedish like the one Snellman talked. Just like God intended. Finnish can be a curiosity like Gaelic. @ Meshugger Do you and Elerond both live in Helsinki? I currently live in Tampere, which is third biggest city in Finland that locates bit under 200km north from Helsinki. I don't have any knowledge where Meshugger lives, but from his suggestion I would guess that he lives somewhere where those some demon language (Swedish) speaking bättre folk (Swedish speaking Finns) live. Asun suomessa jossakin...ja veden lähellä tietysti. Jos on lammen, joen tai meren lähellä en viitti sanoa. Guys remember most of us can't speak Finnish.....English please What did you say Meshugger ? He said: "I live somewhere in Finland... and of course near water. If that is near pound, river or sea I don't care to tell" (that specification that he lives near water dosen't narrow the area anyway as there isn't residential area in Finland that isn't near to water) I used a Finnish to English translator...check how it translated " I live in Finland somewhere ... and near water, of course. If there is a pond, river or near the sea, I say, give me a break "

Here advanced course to spoken Finnish... * Links were meant to only for Meshugger who in my knowledge knows Finnish and lives in Finland, which is why he referenced largest Finnish Newspaper , when he said that he didn't find any news about the conflict. ** Also i made English summary of those news in my post before those links *** Sorry the of topic Finland needs to abolish finnish and change it back to the swedish like the one Snellman talked. Just like God intended. Finnish can be a curiosity like Gaelic. @ Meshugger Do you and Elerond both live in Helsinki? I currently live in Tampere, which is third biggest city in Finland that locates bit under 200km north from Helsinki. I don't have any knowledge where Meshugger lives, but from his suggestion I would guess that he lives somewhere where those some demon language (Swedish) speaking bättre folk (Swedish speaking Finns) live. Asun suomessa jossakin...ja veden lähellä tietysti. Jos on lammen, joen tai meren lähellä en viitti sanoa. Guys remember most of us can't speak Finnish.....English please What did you say Meshugger ?

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know, I watch 4 major international news channels and only CNN mentioned it briefly...which is weird because normally this type of story is on Al-Jazeera at least...it may be now so I will check http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32695909 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32686628 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32680904 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32679984 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/11/macedonia-violence-nikola-gruevski-government http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/10/macedonia-police-alleged-armed-group-balkans-kumanovo http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/10/macedonia-police-idUSL5N0Y00LP20150510 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/11/us-macedonia-crisis-storm-idUSKBN0NW19120150511 http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4436829.ece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/world/europe/macedonia-22-killed-as-police-and-militants-clash.html http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_MACEDONIA_SHOOTINGS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1235381 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/09/macedonia-3-police-officers-dead-20-injured-in-clashes-with-armed-group-in-city/ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/nato-eu-call-calm-macedonia-150510182019133.html http://www.wsj.com/articles/macedonia-clashes-leave-eight-police-officers-14-gunmen-dead-1431267177 http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-nato-u-n-call-for-calm-in-macedonia-1431365446 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/5-police-killed-clash-armed-group-macedonia-n356616 I should have known not to ask that type of question when you are around ....well played sir Okay so the truth must therefore must be that I just don't particularly care about this event that much which is why I haven't been researching it in more detail

I live in the suburbs and its not unusual to see raccoons, opossums, deer and wild dogs and cats (and rabid dogs and cats at that). A bit more uncommon (but not unheard of) to see coyotes and bears. And not too long ago, there were some alligators just on the other side of town. Holy Smoke dude, thats awesome.." bears " Where do you live again Amentep ?