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GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem Who are the Republicans? That really is the question. Every election they present themselves as the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility. Then once they get elected they act like anything but. I've said this a number of times but the only thing I hate more than the Republicans are the Democrats. But I will hand it to the Dems on one thing. They are honest about their intentions. They do not value freedom, or individual liberty, or private property, or Federalism and they do not pretend that their aim is anything other than to take all these things away in the name of a "fair" and "just" society where they control everything and everyone. But GD when you say the Democrats don't value freedom or individual liberty what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Internet surveillance I'm guessing here but I will say that its a case of same **** different package. When to comes down to American politics corporate interest are at the top, bipartisan issues and party politics take the second and thirdly are the issues that actually concern Americans which become a stage for parties and representatives to flex their muscles and brag, which means they don't get resolved. Guys can I ask you all a question, it seems none of you are prepared to vote Clinton....I won't lie, I'm disappointed But are you sure its not some misplaced view around the fact she is a women? It may be a subconscious view that you arent necessarily aware of..and this is not meant as an insult many people in my country say they aren't ready to vote for a women? It just may be best to acknowledge it...get it out there ?

Correct. The extreme lefties vote for Sanders, the rest of the party of big government and no freedom votes for Clinton and the republican nominee winsRepublicans aren't voting for Clinton.

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem Who are the Republicans? That really is the question. Every election they present themselves as the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility. Then once they get elected they act like anything but. I've said this a number of times but the only thing I hate more than the Republicans are the Democrats. But I will hand it to the Dems on one thing. They are honest about their intentions. They do not value freedom, or individual liberty, or private property, or Federalism and they do not pretend that their aim is anything other than to take all these things away in the name of a "fair" and "just" society where they control everything and everyone. But GD when you say the Democrats don't value freedom or individual liberty what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Internet surveillance

Man do you vote Democrats ...or are you one of those white supremacist dudes who just rejects the idea of a vote

Yes I agree with SJ influence to allow things to appeal to a broader audience....Volo you now have Syrians in your county so there entertainment needs should be considered? Have you ever watched Islamic TV...we have it in South Africa and I get it on my cable selection. It must be the most boring and brain numbing channel I have ever been forced to watch...sorry to sound critical but its really bad. I remember the one show was just about this guy in a white room and all he did was pray and recite this song....thats it ...for 1 hour I assumed it cant be popular, I thought our SA Muslims can't seriously enjoy it ....but they do

Yes my friend.....stats don't lie....this is scientific but maybe not so many .....give or take a few But they are spread all over the world I hear they sending 40 k to San Diego because you guys are so friendly and welcoming

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem

Those are the stats now ? Ask Volo its all over Canada....there information is generally accurate But Hurlshot thats only 10 %? Why is that such a concern

You know this is where I tell people you make irrefutable points that are logical .....you right here. Why even mention the 90% ..its always the 10 % we worry about Thats something I never focus on and always say 90 % are harmless...I am going to say what you said next time on the radio

Volo....it looks like you have been cursed by Prophet Mohammed for your Islamophobia ? Do you feel guilty ...now your country is being overrun and conquered by radical Muslims I warned you about this....lucky Qistina isnt here

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ?

Mmmmm....so much for the hardcore socialist values Guys its fate, Clinton is obviously the choice

Why am I not surprised that people on this forum are not impressed ? Obsidian elitism strikes again....does anyone actually feel like they are now just being unreasonable

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live Because I wanted to avoid needless tags. People from Western EU, US, Canda, Scandinavia, and generally rich countries, perceive people from CEE as "beggars" and sometimes worse. It would not be the case if a lot of people from CEE would not go to other countries and do some simple jobs, even when holding masters degree... and why? because salaries in the CEE countries are relatively small, while prices are on near West EU level, with exception of rents, public transport and general grocery products + health care/beauty related services - like dental services and plastic surgery. Here, example from Poland, which uses median (gross salary, so you need to take away taxes and social insurance deductions, which amount to roughly 30% in the lowest range). Remember that 1USD is around 3,93PLN and 1EUR is around 4,27PLN while for example a price of a perfume i recently bought for myself, because i am used to it (Channel Home Allure 150ml) is 609PLN (includes VAT), 40cm radius pizza costs around 35-40PLN And Poland is one of the richer CEE countries. Yes I understand what you say some people think about Poland, we have property in London and the one day I was watching a protest from the BNP and there is nothing more annoying than watching fellow white people who are not only racist but ignorant..anyway they were complaining about the all the illegal " Polish and Romanians\Hungarians" living in the UK " living off the social services " ...basically implying you guys were parasites Also my dad was telling me in his day everyone use to joke about Polish people ....but my point is so what? You need to look at the reality of EU So firstly as you know I really believe in the EU but we need to be honest about some things, so lets look at the " old Europe " view of East European countries. Yes there was a time where Poland, Hungary, Romania would have been looked down on by some people. But now we have an EU where the country that was defeated in 2 world wars is the dominant and influential....yet they have no army? How is that possible ....funny enough that is a question some people in "old Europe " ask themselves and they feel a sense of resentment towards the Germans. But the realty is Germany absolutely deserves to be such a dominant economy, they were able to recreate themselves out of the inferno of shame of Nazism and economic defeat. They could have given up....people like Lexx on this forum is German and yet he refuses to give his country any credit and says things like " what Germany has done anyone could have done " I don't blame him for this view. I am not here to tell people to be proud of the EU, you guys will naturally appreciate your way of life if its ever threatened by external forces like Islamic Extremism. And this basically includes most people on this forum who live in the EU but seem to think its weird to say "I'm proud to live in Netherlands " ( TN and Hoonding especially unpatriotic ) Anyway so now there are people in old Europe who can't accept that Germany is the most influential power in the region....they seem to live in the past where they think WW2 matters....so first thing those are the type of people who look down on East Europeans and rely on insults to justify there importance. But now what matters is the economic factor of any country in the EU. This is correct, in previous times it was about military success but the EU doesn't need an army. It has our American friends, the UK and France to address the military aspect So as far as I know Poland was considered a rising and economic star...I'm not sure if that is still true with the right wing government ? But CNN has done numerous documentaries of Poland called " Poland Rising" and my Polish friend tells me how well the country is doing So if I was you and any other East European I would just ask myself " why do I care about bigots in countries who aren't even the most relevant anymore " But then it gets worse for " old Europe " ....the mighty and historical PIGS countries, the birthplaces of Democracy ...the places that have always existed and always will as they " don't really need to work hard and maintain good governance" .. no not them. Everyone else in the EU like your countries, Scandinavian countries and Baltic states gets down and works hard but suddenly after 2008 various levels of mismanagement and economic incompetence is exposed in these PIGS countries This is actually an embarrassment ...well it should be because the reality is there are African countries who are working harder than these PIGS countries and they work harder under much worse conditions . I work in the financial section and what was asked of the PIGS countries was nothing unreasonable ...seriously. People like 2133 will claim how imperialistic and dictatorial Germany and the EU Troika became. How unreasonable the austerity is....and you know what? Its quite amazing how everyone else in the EU can maintain the rules of the EU..in fact the EU Troika gave countries like Greece many chances. I'm sorry but why should We feel sorry for any country from a prestigious region like the EU for not maintaining its own economy ? So now back to Poland and other East European countries. I am absolutely amazed that you may feel you are not legitimate and proven members of the EU? Under the last few years why you would feel inferior just doesn't make sense And I am very supportive of the EU but its all about the economic success and this is a good benchmark

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live

I am from EU Yes but you also understand life under Communism...you know how bad things can be Do you think people who never lived under the USSR understand it? I have talked about it with my boss from UK/Scotland who is hardcore socialist, he was unnable to get even a glympse . but I was lucky that i was living in it only like year or two Its annoying when people who have never lived under Communism but live now in first world countries complain and say things like " Communism is more fairer than Capitalism" ...yes I respect some countries prefer the USSR like Mam War but he is more the exception

Guys please don't assume I am as ignorant as some about East European countries I am just amazed that you think admitting you Polish is something that you need to keep secret, I never told you I have had several Polish friends in SA. One of my ex-Girlfriends was from Poland. Her name was Alicja Grakalska (spelling on surname )..anyway she was a really nice person and she was a professional pole dancer. I always use to tease her when I saw her and pretend to speak Russian...but she had no accent, she always use to laugh. When she got married to a good friend of mine we had a South African and Polish wedding You see this is one of the problems with the EU and why some of you guys feel threatened by the Syrians , there is this bizarre historical resentment of Germany and then you guys think that the fact you come from East Europe somehow is a bad thing because of historical biased from some European countries ..." look its the Slavs " ....alum actually thought I was suggesting the country of Hungary is genetically more inclined to commit rape Sorry I'm not going to suggest there is something wrong with you or suggest you are all ignorant. There is nothing wrong with any of your countries but the fact you seem to think there is actually a self-repeating stereotype. You are all white to us in Africa ...you are all European to us. It makes no difference ....be proud of where you come from I am not trying to make you feel guilty but I live in a country where large numbers of people have a real lack of confidence and feel they have no heritage....

I am from EU Yes but you also understand life under Communism...you know how bad things can be Do you think people who never lived under the USSR understand it?

So when you say Public housing do you have photos..also does Canada pay for that ?

Okay sure, I know people say they don't like it but why is this an issue?> Because I have to scroll through walls of text i already seen and at top are no longer relevant to actual topic of discussion No problem, I understand your reasons...you see if someone from a first world country like the USA or EU had asked me I would have assumed they were being lazy but I know you guys don't complain for no reason due to your history

Okay sure, I know people say they don't like it but why is this an issue?>

Yeah, only a poorly thought-out post that you composed in less than five minutes cannot really compare to a mural and even in this day and age would not be considered art by anyone. Feel free to go draw up a rape scene involving refugees on the side of the town hall, though. And hey: if you care so much about the victims of such rapes, why aren't you devoting every single free second of your time to help rape victims? There are volunteer organizations for this as well as career choices you can make to help people, you know. (see what I did there?) But it isn't about people at all, but rather your own issues, yes? Maybe get help? It's clear that venting is just not doing the trick. Good luck. I appriciate your concern, but i am already a member of such organisation that actively help people and donate my own money monthly. These "artists" piss me off like no other since they are the most vocal while doing the least. Previously, at least they managed to raise a debate with some insight, but now they are just dumb. I dont know Meshugger but 2133 makes a good point here. Can I give you some advice that I learnt about living in South Africa. its much better to just say " I dont want thousands of Syrian Muslims immigrating to Finland because we have such different cultures " ...you don't even need to justify it because there is no country in the world that would be fine with it under the circumstances unless you prepare to accept them like Germany or like Sweden you really believe in the social aspect But what you are doing, or rather what it probably seems for others, is finding actually irrelevant or contradictory reasons that come across as you being racist ot bigoted. Now you shouldn't have to feel like that but if you take what 2133 is saying he is right yet I know thats not what you are really saying Its funny but living in the West sometimes we feel because of our past we can''t ever say " no I would prefer only limited migrants " as that would seem racist. It's just because you're close-minded. One can have altruism for others, while still wishing the best of your own people. It is possible But you must realize thats not how you coming across ...hence the reason people like alum and 2133 challenge you on some things So? Even if it gets heated, it is a debate afterall. Ideas exchanged, etc, etc. It would be quite worse if we all just got along, yuck! No you misunderstand me, of course debate is good I'm saying people are getting the wrong idea about you and why you say certain things ...thats not the same thing as a good debate

No its not strange, its exactly as I called it I wish I could say its because I am so insightful but the reality is sometimes stranger than fiction. I am more excited to see if I'm right about the overall election result as that would confirm my view around how the American minority groups influence overall results....now then I would share some pertinent information about appealing to these groups

Yeah, only a poorly thought-out post that you composed in less than five minutes cannot really compare to a mural and even in this day and age would not be considered art by anyone. Feel free to go draw up a rape scene involving refugees on the side of the town hall, though. And hey: if you care so much about the victims of such rapes, why aren't you devoting every single free second of your time to help rape victims? There are volunteer organizations for this as well as career choices you can make to help people, you know. (see what I did there?) But it isn't about people at all, but rather your own issues, yes? Maybe get help? It's clear that venting is just not doing the trick. Good luck. I appriciate your concern, but i am already a member of such organisation that actively help people and donate my own money monthly. These "artists" piss me off like no other since they are the most vocal while doing the least. Previously, at least they managed to raise a debate with some insight, but now they are just dumb. I dont know Meshugger but 2133 makes a good point here. Can I give you some advice that I learnt about living in South Africa. its much better to just say " I dont want thousands of Syrian Muslims immigrating to Finland because we have such different cultures " ...you don't even need to justify it because there is no country in the world that would be fine with it under the circumstances unless you prepare to accept them like Germany or like Sweden you really believe in the social aspect But what you are doing, or rather what it probably seems for others, is finding actually irrelevant or contradictory reasons that come across as you being racist ot bigoted. Now you shouldn't have to feel like that but if you take what 2133 is saying he is right yet I know thats not what you are really saying Its funny but living in the West sometimes we feel because of our past we can''t ever say " no I would prefer only limited migrants " as that would seem racist. It's just because you're close-minded. One can have altruism for others, while still wishing the best of your own people. It is possible But you must realize thats not how you coming across ...hence the reason people like alum and 2133 challenge you on some things

Uh-huh. Not good enough, sorry. If you aren't helping out all day everyday, you have no right to raise a point. It's not that I believe this, of course, but that's pretty much the logic you are using with the tired "he likes immigrants, he can take them all in his house instead of speaking up" nonsense. Also, I have serious doubts that you actually know anything about the author(s) considering that you can barely spell the name right. Feel free to prove me wrong. They are dumb, but you aren't exactly raising the level of the debate, yourself. 2133 I wish you would engage with me, I enjoy our debates and what is frustrating is people like you and Zora refuse to debate with me because you think I'm a troll. For me I'm fascinated by what motivates you and yes I will always be honest with you which I think you think is trolling but surly after all this time you can't still think I'm a troll? I'll be honest I like debating with clever people and I know you are bright but you just have a few misconceptions about things like the EU...so its not like we differ on everything and I appreciate your support of SJ issues