BruceVC

There you go again, of course not. But it's alright, we all have our bad days, no need to push it. You're excused. Yeah, I highly doubt you would see it. Of course you're not making sense, you throw in things that had nothing to do with GG to begin with: Like Bethesda and Ubisoft are making **** games and are treating the employees badly, while a problem in itself it was not part of the scandal; how eCelebs are using their fanbase to ****post on youtube and finally you said that Hatred was made out pure politics by GamerGate while conveniently forgetting this game quite unknown outside of Postal-fans gor banned from Steam and GamerGate made sure that it was allowed back in. Quite simply you were angry that GamerGate wasn't what you wanted it to be and you had to vent for a bit, which is perfectly ok in itself. To be fair he is making sense, he is just frustrated and he is taking a position you may not agree with

No my friend unfortunately you are equally as culpable as the rest of us for the protracted and unnecessary GG campaign But Geez that last link is terrible, people still have NO idea what SJ is about...or rather I should say " SJ on the Internet" I won't go into too much detail but the initial question just highlights how misunderstood the role of SJ is...why would you ask people who you have clearly antagonized and associate the words " SJW" as an immediate insult " why dont you like SJW " You dont look for vindication in SJ campaigns ....you don't do it for that reason. And you can see from the responses those people also have a very negative view of SJ That last link is the truth of the matter of the larger culture war, but you are free to hide from it or claim that it is false as much as you wish. Its not as intense as a " cultural war " ...I would say its more an Internet clash of ideals, how widespread would this be in RL?

Bill Gates is a great humanitarian and one of my favorite people, I use to work for Microsoft and I respect him immensely I support most of what he says

The changes don't affect me? Sorry Bruce I like you but you don't know what the f--k you are talking about. My cost for health insurance has tripled, (you understand the meaning of that word?) tripled in the years since the ACA passed. When Barack Hussein Obama took office I was a RF Design Engineer with AT&T. I had a great job with a decent salary. The ACA drove up costs to the point that AT&T laid off 12,000 employees. I was one of them. The ACA included a "Medical Device Tax" that includes EVEY F-----G piece of diagnostic medical equipment in the US of A, Including veterinarians. So thanks to Barack Hussien Obama it not only costs more to take care of myself it also costs more to take care of my dogs. Thanks to Obama's "war on coal" the cost of electricity has doubled per kilowatt hour all across the US (even in markets served by nuclear power). Who do you think that hurts the most? The wealthy? Guess again. He allowed the sale of guns to Mexican drug cartels under the premise of "tracking" them. Those guns have so far been used to kill 17 US Border Patrol agents, 32 US citizens and over 200 police and citizens in Mexico. Obama's response to all this? Cover it up and make a cynical attempt to blame the violence on the need for more gun control. Under Obama the IRS has become the "Thought Police" ruthlessly persecuting PACs and individuals whose politics they don't approve of. They got caught, the Obama admin tried to cover it up, but the worst f-----g part is it's STILL HAPPENING! Don't even get me started on the VA and his notion to make veterans pay for their own healthcare for combat injuries. And to top is all off let's look at his admin's deficit spending over the last seven years. Tell me Bruce, how long can anything spend more than it's income before it collapses? It was not an exaggeration to say his administration has spent more in real dollars that all 43 administrations before him. No this is just the way he has hurt people. I didn't even get into the power he has usurped from Congress, or the political philosophy on the role of government or the way he has groveled and weakened our position in the world. If this is your idea of making things better you can keep it. Okay thats a grim picture, I agree Before I respond I would like to see if other US members have similar bad experiences in there states with the Obama presidency

Volo how do you feel about your support for GG? Do you realize some of your energy was misplaced and perhaps more an emotional reaction rather than logical...is there anything you regret?

RANT TIME: Yeah, that's why I joined it originally. I saw this stuff first hand as a game dev. I left because that's not what it's about. Even if it used to be, it's no use even trying to discuss this on the hashtag. It gets ignored. Whenever I tried to bring the conversation back to this, the response came down to "who cares, a perpetually offended feminist said something stupid about us on twitter I should be equally perpetually offended about". Actual game talk gets consistently gets less talk than some white knight or tumblrina making nasty comments every single time. Hell, the hashtag was at its most busy when it was about a scientist's T-shirt and absolutely not about games. And the rare occassions when it finally did talk about games, it was always defending bad practices from publishers that practically abuse their game dev employees because otherwise you're "attacking gamers", taking the side of utter corporate ********s like Bethesda and UbiSoft over game devs that actually needed support. Even to most of those that claim it's about artistic freedom in games it's not really, and honestly judging by how much nonsense you have interjected about post-modernist bull**** I count you among those. #GamerGate injects more arm-chair politics into gaming than feminists were ever able to, and companies are using it to promote games consumer lifestyle, not a promotion of game merit. Instead of paying GameSpot for Mountain Dew and Doritos ads, they've leveraged angry nerds to make viral memes about it while they pretend everyone else is a sheep. You can "no true scotsman" those "e-celebs" as much as you want, but guess what, they and their followers are the movement's majority and they think you're no true scotsman. And with them overflowing comment sections everywhere to the point comment sections in gaming media are going extinct, they're more annoying and pervasive than SJW tumblrinas could ever hope to be. BasedGamer was the only good thing to come out of #GamerGate. The peepz behind that were smart in leveraging nerd rage. And Anti-GG became the same thing in most cases ....so called SJW websites where they believe in equality are happy to generalize about white, gamers or have forgotten that gaming is about ....gaming Its interesting TN how you have articulated my view in your own words better than I can....end of the day what is the result of GG? Its like you said, but at least there are large numbers of people who have left the GG and anti-GG movement and just game now and stay out of the " politics " Also its much harder to take an introspective look at ourselves and realize we were wrong about something we use to believe in.. So well done for having the ability and insight to do this. I had to do the same and despite what people think I feel much better. Its good to be able to discuss how we made mistakes in life

Its not so much Clinton I like but she wants to continue the fundamental policies of Obama which are about ensuring a more equitable society and a stronger more significant middle class. Also she isn't planning anything radical that may impact the USA economy, like Sanders and his dislike of big business and the financial sector And that doesn't mean she plans to target people like you ....your commitment to the overall economy and people like you are the foundation of what the USA is built on and despite right wing rhetoric this will never change No thank you. The middle class does NOT need another helping of what Barack Obama served up: http://www.investors.com/incomes-fall-and-poverty-rises-under-obama-census-report/ Okay I won't argue with that data but you must remember he is laying the ground work for future economic changes But also this will take time and there will be failures. For example I think some people think they can achieve economic upliftment without hard work. And despite some of the structural changes Obama has implemented somethings will only change the hard way that many people like you and me believe in....hard work. diligence and learn to take responsibility for your actions So for example China is going through a major economic structural reform...they are changing there economic model from export driven economy to a consumer based economy but this will take time and we shouldn't expect a stable China for 3-5 years The USA is going through its own one with policies that the Democrats espouse Yes they will fail if we get successive Republican presidents who are opposed to them but end of the day these changes don't really effect you. I know you feel they do but I would say until we get FBI literally coming to your property to confiscate your guns things like Obamacare are not as bad as you think

No my friend unfortunately you are equally as culpable as the rest of us for the protracted and unnecessary GG campaign But Geez that last link is terrible, people still have NO idea what SJ is about...or rather I should say " SJ on the Internet" I won't go into too much detail but the initial question just highlights how misunderstood the role of SJ is...why would you ask people who you have clearly antagonized and associate the words " SJW" as an immediate insult " why dont you like SJW " You dont look for vindication in SJ campaigns ....you don't do it for that reason. And you can see from the responses those people also have a very negative view of SJ

Thats a good post Do you feel on a personal level you were manipulated into supporting GG? And I'm not trying to catch you out or make you look silly. The type of manipulation I am referring to was subtle and surreptitious and took time to build so that when the Alexander article broke you were already frustrated by months of criticism from the likes of Anita so it would have been easy to align with GG?

Also to be honest they know that to mishandle or or try to rape women is wrong, I have travelled in many ME countries and I don't remember any significant issues with rape or ubiquitous examples of abuse of women similar to this This is necessary because they just don't have much respect for Western women and have a certain level of contempt for them This needs to change very quickly Western, non-islamic women, and to extension society at large, are considered open season. They are simply Morlocks. I have been reading up on the reality of the sexual attacks on NY night across the EU....yes they did happen and I can understand the concern. You guys in the EU are just not use to this type of crime But in Germany I estimate there are probably about 1 million refugees in the country and in the Cologne attack the majority of trouble came from the 1000 or so people who gathered at the station, thats 0.1 % of the total population of refugees involved So I guess I'm just highlighting its a small number of refugees involved in these incidents

Jesus Christ this.I generally disagree with bull**** that tries to censor political discussions in gaming but holy **** do I miss being able to go on a gaming website and actually discuss a game's mechanics. Baro you are erudite and have keen insights in many matters Do you realize that many of us, most of us, were dragged into this whole " GG....anti-GG " and effectively manipulated into fighting a war that others really wanted to fight for personal reasons It frustrates me because of course there are valid cases of things like sexism in gaming and unethical behavior in gaming journalism but end of the day look at result of this debacle You still have two sides and high levels of intransigence which is never helpful when dialogue is required to better understand another perspective

Ah yes a fellow cheese lover and someone who clearly understands how the Universe operates But Gorgonzola is also a Blue Cheese but I know what you mean. What Blue Cheese do you like? Stilton, Roquefort....I hope you say " Why Danish Blue Cheese of course " ...

Also to be honest they know that to mishandle or or try to rape women is wrong, I have travelled in many ME countries and I don't remember any significant issues with rape or ubiquitous examples of abuse of women similar to this This is necessary because they just don't have much respect for Western women and have a certain level of contempt for them This needs to change very quickly

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil " Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil? no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective? Okay let me try this from a different way, what is a fact in your post ?You said " it doesn't change the fact " fact is that for you killing people is evil, or are you saying that you are not doing it because its to much hassle so you just wait till they die? xD No I'm not saying killing people is evil, I don't use that word because I don't believe in it I believe it is wrong and illegal to take someones life. For me murder is not just against the law but it goes against my own personal principles so I would never do it

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sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil " Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil? no they dont, thats why i typed its subjective, do i have to get you definition of subjective? Okay let me try this from a different way, what is a fact in your post ?You said " it doesn't change the fact "

And have you ever seen any Muslim EVER support the idea of his beard being forcibly shaved? They will see this as an insult and an attack on there faith...if fact I cant recall where else in the world this has happened ? Have you ever seen anybody support the idea of their beard being forcibly shaved? But 98% of people of Tajikistan are Muslims. So its secular government that have decided this thing consist probably mostly Muslims. They were also part of Soviet Union, which also means they have traditions and habits, etc. from that era. I'm missing your point? Just because the government is Muslim it doesn't mean they dont have an issue with Muslim extremism and they think this will help..and no I haven't seen this before as I mentioned Point was that when somebody is forced to something it usually means that they didn't support idea in first place. And second point was that this has less to do with Islam and more to do with Tajikistan culture itself. It is difficult to say do forcing people living by certain standards add or lessen extremism, but forcing people to look certain way or forbid certain looks isn't uncommon thing even in western countries even though forced beard saving don't necessary belong among those things, except in prisons sometimes. Really? So is the mass shaving of perceived Muslim extremist beards part of there culture? I see this as a pointless decision by a dictator trying to control the spread of extremism That isn't what I said. But that not accepting certain looks and collective punishments probably come from their own culture. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/tajikistan-shaves-13000-men-beards-radicalism-160120133352747.html "Police in Tajikistan have shaved nearly 13,000 people's beards and closed more than 160 shops selling traditional Muslim clothing last year as part of the country's fight against what it calls "foreign" influences. Bahrom Sharifzoda, the head of the south-west Khathlon region's police, said at a press conference on Wednesday that the law enforcement services convinced more than 1,700 women and girls to stop wearing headscarves in the Muslim-majority Central Asian country. The move is seen as part of efforts to battle what authorities deem "radicalism". Tajikistan's secular leadership has long sought to prevent an overspill of what it sees as unwelcome traditions from neighbouring Afghanistan. Last week, the country's parliament voted to ban Arabic-sounding "foreign" names as well as marriages between first cousins. The legislation is expected to be approved by President Emomali Rahmon, who has taken steps to promote secularism and discourage beliefs and practices that he sees as foreign or a threat to the stability of Tajikistan, Radio Liberty said." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35372754 "Shaving beards is part of a government campaign targeting trends that are deemed "alien and inconsistent with Tajik culture"." "Women have been told to wear traditional Tajik colours - not black" "According to official data, 99% of the Tajik population are Muslim. However, atheism was officially encouraged during 70 years of Soviet rule." "President Emomali Rakhmon has also warned Tajiks: "Don't worship alien values, don't follow alien culture. Wear clothes of traditional colours and cut, not black."" "The campaign against Islamic practices also affects women. There is an official ban on wearing hijabs in schools and universities - but in practice it is enforced in all state institutions. Police say that over the past year, they have closed about 160 shops where hijabs were being sold, and convinced 1,773 women to stop wearing hijabs." "It is not clear whether these policies will have an impact on preventing radicalism. Djovid Akramov says he will not forget the humiliation he felt while being forcefully shaved at the police station. "The worst is the impunity of the policemen, who were enjoying the opportunity to bully people," he says. It is this kind of conduct that can prompt people to become radicalised, he says." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/22/tajikistan-parliament-approves-constitutional-changes-presidential-term-emomali-rahmon "Tajikistan’s secular government has rais/ed alarm over hundreds of its citizens going to join Islamic State in Iraq and Syria." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/28/tajikistan-police-chief-defects-to-isis Tajikistan police chief defects to Isis I don't have any knowledge about Tajikistan to tell me if this sort actions increase or decrease extremism there, but it is clear that their leadership has real concerns about increasing extremism in their country and their reaction towards extremism is quite similar to how Soviet Union handled such cases (meaning use of extreme measures and promoting nationalism). Okay but aren't we arguing the same point ? I am saying the Tajikistan government is trying to control extremism ....and one of the things they did was shave the beards of perceived extremists

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights even you yourself can see that you are not doing it because its evil. Morality and good or evil may be subjective, but it doesn't change that fact No once again I disagree with your premise,I don't think of my actions as " good " or " evil " Thats fine if you see things like that but its not a fact for me because both these words can be seen in a different way which fundamentally changes there definition. Do you think ISIS thinks they evil?

sure they are, cant even believe that we have to explain something that basic to Bruce No they part of your definition of morality, I don't kill people because I'm " good " ...I don't kill people because I think its inherently wrong and against basic human rights

They are also man made constructs, which seemed to be your issue with "evil". "mentally instability and religious indoctrination" is a strange way of spelling "material conditions". Regardless, the same applies to "morality" and "justice" in this case, which are man made constructs that vary from person to person. If you don't believe in "evil", how can you believe in "morality" and "justice"? You aren't. I'll try to explain this one more time because sometimes you and I do not get each other and thats fine Think about a law that says "you cannot kill someone " ....is this the same as saying " all people who kill are evil " A law exists on paper and even though it can be tested in Court it is part of society but the term Evil is subjective, you can't prosecute someone for being Evil...they have to do something wrong and break the law but Evil by itself doesn't mean anything

And have you ever seen any Muslim EVER support the idea of his beard being forcibly shaved? They will see this as an insult and an attack on there faith...if fact I cant recall where else in the world this has happened ? Have you ever seen anybody support the idea of their beard being forcibly shaved? But 98% of people of Tajikistan are Muslims. So its secular government that have decided this thing consist probably mostly Muslims. They were also part of Soviet Union, which also means they have traditions and habits, etc. from that era. I'm missing your point? Just because the government is Muslim it doesn't mean they dont have an issue with Muslim extremism and they think this will help..and no I haven't seen this before as I mentioned Point was that when somebody is forced to something it usually means that they didn't support idea in first place. And second point was that this has less to do with Islam and more to do with Tajikistan culture itself. It is difficult to say do forcing people living by certain standards add or lessen extremism, but forcing people to look certain way or forbid certain looks isn't uncommon thing even in western countries even though forced beard saving don't necessary belong among those things, except in prisons sometimes. Really? So is the mass shaving of perceived Muslim extremist beards part of there culture? I see this as a pointless decision by a dictator trying to control the spread of extremism

Okay let me clarify, laws and governance are quantifiable and identifiable parts of any society. They are understood Evil is just a term people use to describe appalling behavior ...so we hear about a child molester " he is evil" ...,.we see what ISIS does " they are Evil " ...but mentally instability and religious indoctrination are actually the real reasons these things happen Can you see the difference ? I may not be explaining it properly

Evil is a man made construct., I dont believe is such things If evil is only a man made construct then it implies that there is no objective morality or axioms to adhere to, which in turn implies that relativistic morality is the only one appliable, which in turn leads to subjective discourse in terms of justice and truth; since those are based on the moral pretences already stated, which leads to atrocious acts being permitted as long as they are confined with their own sense of morality, which finally leads to power for the sake of power being its own moral justification. Yup, sounds like Clinton alright. No....your post sounds like that strange Finnish rationale you are famous for You can have morality, laws, governance, justice and all these other things without Evil? What does Evil even mean to you

And have you ever seen any Muslim EVER support the idea of his beard being forcibly shaved? They will see this as an insult and an attack on there faith...if fact I cant recall where else in the world this has happened ? Have you ever seen anybody support the idea of their beard being forcibly shaved? But 98% of people of Tajikistan are Muslims. So its secular government that have decided this thing consist probably mostly Muslims. They were also part of Soviet Union, which also means they have traditions and habits, etc. from that era. I'm missing your point? Just because the government is Muslim it doesn't mean they dont have an issue with Muslim extremism and they think this will help..and no I haven't seen this before as I mentioned

Evil is a man made construct., I dont believe is such things