BruceVC

This seems really unnecessary..sorry guys I just think this type of initiative is more divisive than helpful

Yes you right, let me clarify There is no effective Internet campaign against white male gamers, yes it is real but it doesn't have the real impact many people believe

Its an interesting read but its primarily all about "Obama-bashing " ...he seems to focus on all the perceived failures of Obama

I have a hard time imagining circumstances where it would be necessary to exclude it. I agree with this sentiment, there is no reason to not make games more inclusive where applicable

S http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/opinion/anita-sarkeesian-on-video-games-great-future.html No this link is outdated and the general message is misleading and spurious There is no Internet campaign against white male gamers, yes there was some negativity through the likes of Anita but end of the day its not widespread and you must not believe everything people like Anita say But that has nothing to do with valid changes in some games to cater for inclusivity, for example in games that offer Romance they should offer options for members of the LGBT community around there Romance choices

http://www.alipac.us/f9/artist-who-painted-trump-nude-attacked-332045/ Guys ...I feel uncomfortable with artists getting attacked for painting unflattering pictures of Trump. What about freedom of expression? This event was on CNN so its on the international stage now

That's ass-backwards logic. "The right of a person to ruin a discussion is more valuable than the desire of others to see the discussion un-ruined" is putting the cart before the horse. The principle is what it always is- there's a right (or 'right' since the forums are private property) to freedom of expression within certain rules. If the rules aren't infringed then if you don't like what the other person is saying you need to build a bridge and get over it or buy a pack of cards and deal with it. However, there is neither a right to be listened to nor a right to be replied to. Don't do either and problem solved, one way or the other. [redacted] either replies to himself all the time until he gets bored, creates alts to talk to himself, stops doing immense quantities of the lowest effort posts possible to try and get people to reply or just leaves. Having said that it's not like [redacted] hasn't admitted outright to trolling- posting solely to get a response, especially from those who are ignoring him. Guess I could have reported him then, but snitches get stitches and that would damage my valuable self image of battling The Man in all his forms. Really though, all the tools for dealing with problems exist, it just needs people agreeing there is a problem and actually using- and sticking to using- the tools available instead of complaining to mods/ admins about the unfairness of it all in an abstract form. Most of this post is NOTHING but a lame attempt at trolling me Zora makes many false and defamatory points, for example he says I "either replies to himself all the time until he gets bored, creates alts to talk to himself " I have never ever created another Alt on this forum..I have only ever used one account : BruceVC. And I have no issue if the Mods want to use some sort of IP tracking to prove this and report the results around who I say I am...I am more than prepared to do this because I will try anything to end Zora's endless whining and " proof " that I a troll and use Alts . He has even accused me of being Oby

Almost every time I make any post with anything of actual discussion value, I get a reply from Bruce. Sometimes I bother to click the little button that says "view this person's post", sometimes I don't - I try to never reply, regardless. What does happen, though - regardless of whether I view or reply to his posts - is that posts from him, and from a very, very few select others, are constantly changing the direction of the thread, changing what people are replying to. This might not be so terrible on an individual thread basis, but...I would like to go into a "serious discussion" thread once, just once, and not have Bruce's asinine thoughts bloating the thread and changing what everyone's talking about to be refuting the same terrible lines of thinking that he always uses and that they're always refuting. Oh my goodness, it gets so old seeing people rehash the same stupid discussions with him over and over across dozens of threads. That's what I hate: that these threads are basically shaped entirely around these people, over the same fundamental issues that have been fought over so many times before, with the same people even - even though they're about different subjects, subjects that might have been interesting...but no, not here at the Obsidian forums. And it's over literally years... Barti you can't seriously be blaming me for the perceived state of the forums ? That's a complete exaggeration

Yeah, so basically, I can't participate in the political or otherwise serious discussions because these people are always in them and always domineering discussion and people are always replying to and shaping the discussion around their posts. Fun. I'm not really following. What exactly prevents you from participating? When the poo-flinging festival starts, bystanders will usually not get involved. What you get is a few mini-conversations going on in parallel inside a given thread, simultaneously, against a background of playground scuffle sounds. Their posts won't get more attention than yours unless they are, well, more interesting. Quality something something Taylor Swift popularity something something. But that's a discussion for another thread. It what bothers you is the bad snr and threads getting bloated with back-and-forths that go nowhere quick (both legit complaints), you can always add the usual suspects to the ignore list -- looks like you already have them (us?) identified anyway. It's not good for much but it will at least help with post clutter. You can also PM some mod and ask them to prune if there is yet hope of salvaging the thread; I've found they'll usually be happy to oblige. If you take the bait, you have nobody to blame but yourself. And if you honestly believe someone is harassing you, the report function actually works. This I know for a fact. When all's said and done I much prefer users exercising their discretion than moderators exercising their power. This is a very good post, I support the last line emphatically

Just ignore them, either big I or little i. It's not that hard. If nobody responds, there won't be a problem. After all, as someone has quoted in their sig: if people stop talking to [redacted], he'll leave. That's true, if no one talks to me I will leave ....but people keep talking to me so I stay

Sorry guys but these forums are fine, we have good debates and we have bad debates. People express there honest opinions in a robust manner My advice is if you really find these forums so uncivil and lacking in decorum you should either leave the forums or find other discussions more suitable because I dont see what more you reasonably expect the Moderators to do?

Our behavior (and other's) is more a SYMPTOM of the/a problem than anything else. Okay now I'm confused, if this bad behavior is a symptom of the problem....what is the problem Because now we seem to be generalizing without going into details ?

*groan* So you don't have a problem with my earlier posts from the previous page? *chuckle* Of course you responded to my later posts which you have taken issue with. *snort* Hiro if you cant provide the link then you are lying and your position is unclear and disingenuous

I'm sorry KP I try to not criticize you because my input seems to annoy you but I have noticed a real and perhaps concerning change in your overall views around ideology I have seen this many times before..first you rejected EU austerity and saw Germany as an enemy in the overall EU structure, then massive criticism of big business and the state of the US government and now we reach the point where its normal to use phrases like " states have become subservient to banks and other large corporations " , "interests of the ruling class which in these times are banks and corporations" and " Rule by private unaccountable entities is what Global Capitalism " Its standard left-wing hubris and vitriol against certain fundamental Western institutions, like the financial sector. it reminds me of something that Serb would say who you quote from RT....its all about anti-Western rhetoric for them end of the day, you should know they actually want to undermine and weaken the US. They not really interested in positive changes to your country But I did try to steer you away from this view.....but you basically dismissed what I said and of course you are perfectly entitled to believe what you want about the state of the USA but I hoped you wouldn't end up thinking like this I disniss what you say because you're borderline nonsensical and can't argue with facts or logic. And your ability to have a reasonable debate has deteriorated....disappointing

I'm sorry KP I try to not criticize you because my input seems to annoy you but I have noticed a real and perhaps concerning change in your overall views around ideology I have seen this many times before..first you rejected EU austerity and saw Germany as an enemy in the overall EU structure, then massive criticism of big business and the state of the US government and now we reach the point where its normal to use phrases like " states have become subservient to banks and other large corporations " , "interests of the ruling class which in these times are banks and corporations" and " Rule by private unaccountable entities is what Global Capitalism " Its standard left-wing hubris and vitriol against certain fundamental Western institutions, like the financial sector. it reminds me of something that Serb would say who you quote from RT....its all about anti-Western rhetoric for them end of the day, you should know they actually want to undermine and weaken the US. They not really interested in positive changes to your country But I did try to steer you away from this view.....but you basically dismissed what I said and of course you are perfectly entitled to believe what you want about the state of the USA but I hoped you wouldn't end up thinking like this It's easy to dismiss your view since you do not have to pay the price for its ramifications. The fact of the matter is that capital (money, wealth) is global, while the labour is local. Yes I agree, whats your point?

I'm sorry KP I try to not criticize you because my input seems to annoy you but I have noticed a real and perhaps concerning change in your overall views around ideology I have seen this many times before..first you rejected EU austerity and saw Germany as an enemy in the overall EU structure, then massive criticism of big business and the state of the US government and now we reach the point where its normal to use phrases like " states have become subservient to banks and other large corporations " , "interests of the ruling class which in these times are banks and corporations" and " Rule by private unaccountable entities is what Global Capitalism " Its standard left-wing hubris and vitriol against certain fundamental Western institutions, like the financial sector. it reminds me of something that Serb would say who you quote from RT....its all about anti-Western rhetoric for them end of the day, you should know they actually want to undermine and weaken the US. They not really interested in positive changes to your country But I did try to steer you away from this view.....but you basically dismissed what I said and of course you are perfectly entitled to believe what you want about the state of the USA but I hoped you wouldn't end up thinking like this

Today is a public holiday, its Workers Day. I have had friends staying with me the last 3 days and we have been partying and drinking and eating at restaurants. Its over now and I'm going to chill and play Witcher 3

Its is brilliant, I loved the series. Season 2 was my best with the hot witches ..and I see Season 3 has just been released

Guys but I'm sure we can all agree the general tone and decorum has improved since we all became cognizant of the SJ environment No, tone and decorum improved once those that were disrupting it moved on or were shown the door. There has been no "moral awakening" here. You really think that? Its always interesting to me when people say something like " SJ has no influence here or made no impact " Its like people automatically assume this must be a bad thing but its not. And I keep explaining its not as the change for example on this forum was subtle...you probably dont even notice it We have never meant some sort of extreme censorship but the Hot Women Thread was removed and there have been reasonable pruning of threads over some topics. But that doesn't mean you cant have a normal and robust debate. Its like I told Vals and LK....those guys could not have a debate with me without constantly making personal attacks ...yet I can debate with basically anyone else like you without the need to insult people. So funny enough I think you thrive fine in a world of SJ consideration

Its funny you cheated on the boss fights, I was going to buy this game from GOG for a lady friend yesterday and I thought how I did the same thing for the last fights, I never ever mentioned this before

Guys but I'm sure we can all agree the general tone and decorum has improved since we all became cognizant of the SJ environment

Has anyone actually ever been banned, outside of spambots? I couldn't name anyone. Personally I like it that way. You can always head out to RPGWatch or SA for stricter moderation... or the KKKodex for the opposite.

Volo people often say to me " volo is a troll....why you debate him " I dont think you a troll at all because we debate all the time? But I seldom agree with you and you refuse to answer all personal questions I ask u so its hard to read you but I would say we get on fine ?

Finally someone is prepared to say this...Gfted1 sometimes people think I'm stupid but I sometimes just refuse to try to interpret this forum debating etiquette This point you made, for me I engage with people who ask me questions or make absurd comments like " Muslims will overrun the USA " Then later after much debate someone I know will PM me and say "do you know they were trolling ÿou ... you wasted time debating them...you will never change anyone's mind as no one really respects the principle of debate " ( in other words no one ever likes to admit they wrong ) But I refuse to believe that, surly after all the time and endless debates we have all people who do debate arent prepared to concede they wrong? That would mean our debates are pointless Oh one of the two things that annoy me ....when people call me a troll...after all this time and all the effort I put into topics Its really would make me the most saddest person in the world You see I have no idea why some people call me a troll, there reasons always are nebulous and insincere " you a troll because you NEVER answer questions " Do you think I come across as a troll and if so what would define this?

Good to know you will be more active ...remember always support Romance in RPG