BruceVC

Okay I must apologize to you. I always assumed you were a Trump supporter and you wouldn't post a negative Trump article But this is a very powerful and thought provoking perspective and offers insights about Trump that should concern every American on this forum I only know of WOD who is definitely voting Trump but I would really appreciate if any Trump forum supporters would read this and still decide to vote for Trump ? On the contrary it was to higlight that the traditional left-right paradigm is evaporating and the globalist-nationalist is emerging. oh....because it paints Trump in a very bad light....did you not read the whole article ?

So GD was right, I have learnt something new about US politics again on these forums And this is relevant to me because sometimes I have to explain certain things about the US to people who have a very negative view of the US because your political narrative is basically misunderstood

Are you saying these things will happen if Hilary wins?

Okay that is a good point, I never considered that But it just seems extreme, is she really that disliked? This election is like trying to choose the cleanest turd. Seriously do you read nothing we link here? Even you have to admit that while she is many things, honest is not one of them. If I was a Republican in America I just wouldn't vote this year, I wouldn't vote for Hilary but I wouldnt compromise my principles and vote Trump The next Republican presidential candidate will be someone any Republican will be proud to vote for

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them To be part of the UK should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to stay

Okay that is a good point, I never considered that But it just seems extreme, is she really that disliked?

Okay I must apologize to you. I always assumed you were a Trump supporter and you wouldn't post a negative Trump article But this is a very powerful and thought provoking perspective and offers insights about Trump that should concern every American on this forum I only know of WOD who is definitely voting Trump but I would really appreciate if any Trump forum supporters would read this and still decide to vote for Trump ?

Lols. Man, if even Trump supporters don't realize that the bout started several rounds ago...no wonder Trump's campaign is such a disorganized, hot mess right now. Trump's campaign is in shambles. He has no ground game in battleground states and very little money. They have exactly one communications staffer. They fired their thug of a campaign manager only to replace him with a guy who hasn't been involved in a national US campaign in literally 20 years --who's CV includes propping up foreign dictators. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort Guys this must be one of the MOST accurate assessments I have ever read, I hope everyone reads it

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? Because only someone completely blind to the situation would truly find themselves devoid of any suspicion that Clinton is guilty. No one is saying arrest her now, no one is saying don't give her a fair trial. What's being said is that why the HELL would anyone vote for someone with such obviously strong claims against them (she's doing a terrible job of denying said claims) and what's more there's concern she will walk away scot-free because of direct ties to the White House itself. Waiting for a fair trial is one thing. Allowing someone to run for President of the United States while a criminal investigation is taking place against that person is downright insanity. If innocent by all means let them run next election, but here we not only have an ongoing investigation that could threaten the presidency or the democratic candidacy (imagine if she were indicted in October or in December, what happens then?), but the entire DNC is highly suspect for leaked documents regarding bias in her favor. FFS there's currently a class-action lawsuit in the works against the DNC itself. "Natural selection" will weed out the democratic party at this rate, but it's absurd we need to rely on that instead of the government itself showing concern over potentially having an indicted official run for office. The issue I have with this post is that you still think everyone should believe she is guilty as if its a irrefutable fact but the reality is many, myself included, people simply dont believe she is guilty And I discussed this with GD and I read an entire article about this and her guilt is not clear

Well that hardly means anything You being cheeky young man but you right ..what is clever or dumb for me

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? This is a meme which is sort of like a political cartoon in that it makes a point but it also meant to be humorous. You are micro-analyzing it and that tends to not work. Of course any detail that Hillary might be the dirtbag we are all telling you she is will be dismissed by you out of hand because 1) She's a woman which you think seems to lend her some "special" credibility. 2) She is a controlling and government loving technocrat that is beholden to globalists, giant corporations, and of course the ever pervasive PC crowd that probably agrees with you that prison sentences are appropriate for "thoughtcrime". Okay so if its a cartoon then I'm definitely over-analyzing it....lets not have this debate over something unnecessary But other members thought it was real so the discussion is relevant ? But GD I mentioned I dont just support her because she is women, don't you realize that would me shallow She is qualified and is the best candidate but Trump has also offended and alienated many Americans ...he has offended many women in the USA and they are 53 % of total voting population. Trump constantly feels the need to tell his supporters how rich and successful he is....yet he doesnt understand that you cannot insult women and tell them " they are fat, disgusting pigs " They will make Trump pay in the election and this will be gratifying for me Also you cant implement my idea of racism and jailing people in the USA because of your Constitution and freedom of speech

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong.As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different? okay, think of it this way for example. Person gets caught WHILE in the process of doing a crime. It's on video, several eye witnesses, the whole shebang. When brought into court to have the case taken care, the court isn't just gonna hand out a punishment and then move on. Innocent until proven guilty means that every citizen has the right to try their case and have someone PROVE that they did something.You knew the person was guilty before the trial, but at the trial, the person has to be taken as an innocent person to the court only UNTIL the court proves they did something wrong and then person who did it gets punished. It's not the public that is caged by the rule, but it's the law who is because they deliver the punishment. So yes I can says she's guilty and say it now and before and during and after the trial IF it ever does and to me she's guilty. I don't enforce the law, the courts do, so they are the only ones who have to view them as innocent when the case first starts because they are the ones who enforce and punish if laws broken LEGALLY. Sometimes the public has had to step rightfully and wrongefully, because the court system would rule them that way. I'm a bit stoned so hopefully this came out legible. I am also stoned so you making perfect sense, I organised some really good hydroponic weed. Its has this nice effect where you feel nicely but I dont feel dumb

Volo you should really learn to become a little more knowledgeable on topics you seem to dismiss Yes people can become gay through abuse, this not a hard concept to grasp...I copied this for you Here is the full link http://genderwholeness.com/lds/understanding/what-causes-male-homosexuality/ Sexual Abuse Summary: In addition to its potential role in conditioning sexual arousal, sexual abuse can create or intensify gender incongruity, disaffiliation from other males, and—if the perpetrator is female—fear or hatred of women. It may also create repetitive patterns of compulsive sexual behavior. Sexual abuse occurs when one person uses another for his or her own sexual gratification against their will or without their consent. It occurs when an older and more powerful child engages a younger or smaller child in sexual activity. And it occurs when an adult engages a minor in sexual activity or exposes them to sexually explicit material or language, with or without their consent. Consent implies the ability and maturity to understand what is going on and the possible con¬sequences of it. Since children do not really understand sexuality, they cannot give consent when an older person involves them in sexual behavior. Some examples of sexual abuse include: Being exposed to sexually explicit talk Being exposed by another person to sexually explicit material in magazines, television and video, and on the internet Being exposed as a child to sexually stimulating behavior by older people, whether male or female Being exposed to nudity or to sexual behavior between other people, such as seeing relatives naked or seeing parents or others engage in sex Being touched intimately on the genitals or other parts of the body Being asked or forced to touch another person’s genitals Being asked or forced to have sexual intercourse with another person Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Some boys who are sexually abused by other males wonder about their own sexuality. They know that males are supposed to enjoy having sex with females and so it becomes very confusing for them when a male seems to enjoy having sex with them. This is especially confusing if they became sexually aroused during the abuse. Most boys who are sexually abused experience tremendous feelings of guilt and shame. For some, that shame attacks their sense of masculinity, causing them to feel wrong as a boy. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Some sexually abused boys become fearful of other males or angry and resentful toward them. They may lose trust in their father or an older brother for not protecting them. The depression, anxiety, shame, and low self-esteem often engendered by sexual abuse can cause them isolate themselves from normal activities with peers. And their gender incongruity may compel them to avoid connection with other boys for fear of being seen as “queer.” Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Some individuals who have experienced traumatic events or relationships during childhood will unconsciously create circumstances in their adult lives that lead to very similar traumatic events or circumstances. Psychotherapists refer to these patterns as “repetition compulsions.” These patterns can form in response to sexual abuse, resulting in adult sexual behavior that mirrors the abuse. It is believed that repetition compulsions are an unconscious attempt by adults to master or get control of childhood situations in which they had little or no control. It may also be an effort to resolve conflicting emotions around circumstances that elicited contradictory feelings, such as fear or shame and sexual pleasure. While this pattern is not exclusive to individuals with same-sex attraction, we have observed this pattern in the sexual behavior of numerous individuals with whom we have worked. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. In our experience, blatant sexual abuse of boys by females occurs only occasionally. More commonly, females sexually abuse boys in less obvious ways, such as having poor boundaries regarding modesty around the house—including dressing immodestly and leaving bathroom doors open—and having poor boundaries regarding sexual talk, such as mothers or sisters discussing their sexual relationships with a boy. Consider the following comments by Helen Wilson, PhD, regarding findings from long-term study on the effects of sexual abuse. “Findings from this investigation provide tentative support for a relationship between childhood sexual abuse and same sex sexual relationships, but this relationship appeared only for men. That is, men with histories of childhood sexual abuse were more likely than men in a control group to report same-sex sexual partnerships…[T]his evidence of a link between court-substantiated cases of childhood sexual abuse and same-sex partnerships reported by adult men 30 years later is a notable finding that adds to the literature on this topic…. However, the data available in this study did not provide information about when same-sex sexual attractions first emerged and whether this predated or followed the sexual abuse. We also do not know what characteristics associated with the abuse (e.g., frequency, intensity, duration) might account for the relationship with adult sexual partnerships. It is also important to note that very few participants reported exclusively same-sex sexual relationships. Thus, it is possible that childhood sexual abuse increased the likelihood that men would experiment with both same- and opposite-sex partners…. While this prospective evidence linking childhood sexual abuse to same-sex sexual partnerships in men suggests an increased likelihood, these findings do not suggest that same-sex sexual orientation is caused by child abuse.” Wilson, Helen W., PhD, and Widom, Cathy Spatz, PhD. (Jan. 7, 2009). Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-Year Follow-up. Archives of Sexual Behavior, vol. 39 (1). Obtained from http://borngay.procon.org/

She also cant into pizza. http://thechive.com/2016/06/23/girl-is-baffled-about-a-simple-pizza-question-video/ This is interesting...so in fact she does this for fun? To entertain people

http://us.cnn.com/2016/06/26/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-polls/index.html A bit of good news for Clinton supporters , its at least predictable and I prefer that considering the BREXIT initial shock

Maybe you can share your insights on this, I'm intrigued by what by you find funny Firstly do you think its real? This is an important question as it will allow me to proceed with my next point

Some people become gay because of abuse ...its rare but it occurs so no they not all born gay

Its a good question actually, so the EU is a working union that is aligned to the USA and other West countries ideologically No President of any first world country or economist for that matter would ever suggest something where this a risk of it causing a real collapse within the EU, its just not what would be considered etiquette. You will always choose the option that has less instability So a person like Obama who is always expected to comment will go with the safe bet ...stay in the EU And once again Trump has found a way to annoy me with his populism and bravado http://www.alternet.org/immigration/trump-supports-brexit-uses-it-promote-his-golf-course-video

Its not like you to post these types of video because this is just a cruel generalization, that women comes as incredibly stupid ....seriously I feel embarrassed for her She is the worst type of person to somehow represent the intellectual reasoning for BREXIT So again this type of video will be used by people to say things like " ha ha...look how stupid people in the UK are " Do you think its fair ....yes she is hot but this is not about her looks But she did it for chickens and eggs, and she even accounted in bad things like not being able to go in Disneyland in Paris, because borders will be closed. So I think that video is most likely just someone making fun about leave voters, but the scary thing is that people seem to accept it as truth, which is something that isn't that great for democracy. I suppose so but if it really is a joke someone has got a very strange sense of humor because lets say it is a joke its aimed at suggesting people who support BREXIT are like her ....stupid But if its not a joke then her guy friend must be the most insensitive vindictive person to upload that video of her making a fool of herself I'm sorry if I seem to have no sense of humor about BREXIT , I admit I dont find anything funny about this as its serious to me

Nice, I have to be honest there are so many things I like about Denver..I'm sure I could live there

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? Sure it does. But you are doing the exact same thing. For you Cosby was guilty without the court but now you need court to declare Clinton guilty. You are by far the number one hypocritical on this forum. Beside other horrible things that you are. Sharp_one maybe you and I just dont understand each other...let me ask you a few simple questions and please be honest because I want to help you When you were growing up how was the role of a women explained to you and nowadays what is your understanding of a womens role, so for example do you think the best place for a women is in the kitchen or maybe at your factories where the women love there asses being slapped ....remember that funny story Gay People : I'm sure this is a topic that terrifies you but its okay, dont be afraid of gay people, homosexuality is a type of sexual preference. The majority of gay people are born this way, my advice to you on this topic is the same ...you need to go to gay clubs and see what they like. You may find you really feel comfortable in them Black People : Did anyone ever explain to you that outside of Poland there are other races ...or did you assume that there was only race in the world which was white. I can understand this, it can be little daunting when you realize the world had many different races ..not just white So respond as soon as possible and remember I want to help you

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong. As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different?

Wow you brave, what about all the Latino rapists and murderers that Trump has identified are prevalent in the USA and many will live there

Its not like you to post these types of video because this is just a cruel generalization, that women comes as incredibly stupid ....seriously I feel embarrassed for her She is the worst type of person to somehow represent the intellectual reasoning for BREXIT So again this type of video will be used by people to say things like " ha ha...look how stupid people in the UK are " Do you think its fair ....yes she is hot but this is not about her looks

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ?