BruceVC

volo is it really necessary to play the old " I dont care what people think, I just post whatever I want because I am different to everyone else " No volo you are exactly the same as everyone else, we all want people to like us. We all want acceptance on certain levels. Yes I understand you have probably been subjected to real rudeness on the Internet and I am sorry for this but as usual I'll be honest with you when I say you would have to schizophrenic or suffering from dementia if you truly believe the actions of " someone who doesnt care what people think " is the actions of someone who participates in debates like you do So can we just be honest about this fact, every single person who regularly posts on this forum cares on different levels what people think

Your entire country is a hellhole where sexual abuse is rampant. Just so I dont misunderstand you, is this your idea of a sense of humor? I have to be honest its really not funny but I shouldn't be the one to judge others sense of humor

Yes I know what you mean...but for me this is a forum and its impossible to expect normal human response .....its the nature of the Internet But I mean " like " as in engage in regular debates with and then clarify what I mean

Yes, I am aware you dont always remember our chats. Its normal for me but you did apologize when I got annoyed when you were dismissive when I explained why the so called evidence of Turkey helping ISIS wasn't true ...and I admire someone who can apologize to someone who they dont particularly " like " or understand Volo again it seems like I'm the only person who cares what you post sometimes ...so please dont think I'm being rude. I am genuinely concerned about the impression you create How can you make a post like this about your own PM? It would be different if what you said has some truth to it but I doubt anyone on this forum will agree with you ?

Que? I usually don't respond to you because, well, this^, but what are you talking about? I'm going to have to ask you for a minimum of comprehension, ok? As I stated, I admire their ability to get things done instead of the BS methods employed in the US. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC becomes diluted with screeching harpies and 10 years of litigation. Honestly, I wish the "people" had less of a voice around here. We might actually accomplish something, god forbid. And how does Enoch blowing his o-ring over bias confirmed (see how I can work in random social crapola too) sexism have anything to do with it? Oh sorry my bad, I thought this post was your way of being intentionally controversial......any American honestly admitting they admire Putin i assume is someone trolling because Russia is so insecure and distrustful of anything Western I have mentioned this before but I have a semi-photographic memory but I always forget that sometimes people forget what they have told me especially when we go back a year or so and that person thinks I'm odd or weird or inconsistent You and I have had several debates, I assumed you were being serious but end of the day I cant tell who is being real or not on this forum....personally I dont think it matters For example I have mentioned Prism should be modified to improve US domestic security and you agreed We discussed the whole " is Turkey openly helping ISIS " by sending trucks You have an issue with certain double standards some SJ views seem to perpetuate You have been to strip clubs You have defended me when I got annoyed by people saying " Thats it....I'm not talking to BruceVC anymore " This forum has some real drama queens ....sorry to admit it but I'm really not that bad. As I keep saying all someone has to say is " please dont talk to me and I wont " But I like you, i have always found you to be consistent on many topics .....

That kind of not giving a damn comes from being the leader of a place that's not a democracy where he can oppress and kill more or less anyone who bothers him. It's akin to admiring Pol Pot for his dogged determination. I never realized how similar our views are on certain people and social dynamics, I dont expect people to just agree with me especially on this forum but my view is not unreasonable if you think about the whole Trump fiasco. But it is always nice when other people make points like your own I have never noticed you agreeing with me on any topic I make about Russia or Putin ....I think Sweden should be admired yet there is real criticism towards your country from some members and I always think its unfair. Sweden tries and often succeeds to do the right thing but it would be weird for me to defend Sweden

Come on? You honestly cant name a leader you respect....I can mention many leaders I know you would respect ? I did. Didn't you read what I wrote? Oh sorry, I assumed you were joking as I meant to say Turnbull doesn't count because everyone knows Australia isn't really a fair representation of a normal country because of how the original immigrants to Oz were criminals and how they massacred the aborigines plus the Australians send all there new arrivals to a island hell hole where sexual abuse is rampant http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/11/489659844/australias-immigration-minister-plays-down-claims-of-abuse-on-refugee-island Are you f-----g serious? Do you honestly believe anyone alive in Australia today is in any way responsible for acts done before their grandparents were even born? By that logic YOU bear culpability for apartheid even though it was instituted long before you were born and you opposed it. Yeah I'm joking about everything except the island ....thats true and a disgrace

I dont believe this post for one second ....why would you think a guy who resents everything the USA stands for is someone to be admired ? Remember you and I believe Prism has a purpose You mustn't dwell on what Enoch said, he is right but perhaps he was a bit harsh with you because you are honest about many things on similar topics. I find that most guys dont even realize about the whole subconscious sexism they may demonstrate and it should be explained to them diplomatically before telling them on a forum as normally people get offended

Even if you know what is the best choice for someone you have to let people make there own minds up There is a skill and art to explaining the truth to someone and coming across as condescending It doesnt really matter what strangers think, you should only care what your friends think There will always be a biase and distrust towards the banking sector despite self regulation and all the good it does Money cannot make you happy, it can only buy you a quality of life which may make you happy

Dont you think its odd our American friends cant think of any world leaders they admire? And they being serious

Come on? You honestly cant name a leader you respect....I can mention many leaders I know you would respect ? I did. Didn't you read what I wrote? Oh sorry, I assumed you were joking as I meant to say Turnbull doesn't count because everyone knows Australia isn't really a fair representation of a normal country because of how the original immigrants to Oz were criminals and how they massacred the aborigines plus the Australians send all there new arrivals to a island hell hole where sexual abuse is rampant http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/11/489659844/australias-immigration-minister-plays-down-claims-of-abuse-on-refugee-island

Come on? You honestly cant name a leader you respect....I can mention many leaders I know you would respect ?

And GD thinks you have deep insights on the reality of the US political system? When the heck did I ever say such a thing???? You said volo makes sense through his absurdity or something similar ...but he does make sense at times. I have acknowledged this when he does but sometimes his posts have no relevance and just get frustrating People would think they hate 9/11 families or some BS. I doubt the examples Zora mentioned like Pakistan and Chile now suing the USA are practical or realistic. The USA and other Western countries has precedence to intervene in most conflicts so I doubt they could be sued The issue with Saudi Arabia is it is an ally to the West in the fight against extremism but it also has some citizens who do fund and believe in the extremist ideology of AQ or ISIS. But there support of it is secretive, they would be arrested if they publically supported it So now you will have a group of US lawyers just annoying the Saudis because who are they going to sue ? They will find the Saudis understandably unhelpful

yes but lets not nitpick, thats white isnt it

you incorrigible

Who are the families going to sue, I dont understand the objective? We know there was funding from Saudi Arabia but this was not official and was from Saudis who support Islamic extremism ...but its not from the Saudi government ? See below from the article " The Saudi government denies any role in those attacks, and the 9/11 Commission found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials were involved. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, though. And there have long been suspicions that some of the hijackers received support during their time in the U.S. from individuals with possible connections to the Saudi Kingdom "

Do you seriously asking how accurate data in trollolo video? This video is obviously fake - Russian guy much lighter than Afro-american guy (in other words black guy looks like person who can can solve problem without external help) and a bad actor also - his "agressive" behavior looks so fake for Russians - and they mostly don't react to this. Meanwhile in vice versa situation black guys play their roles much better and attacks much more violently - and Russians react to this. But racism in Russia really existed - Russians hate pureblood Caucasian race so much. http://youtu.be/CXCuWhmB-Ow What race are Russians? I thought you were descendents from the Scandinavians which makes you white ?

But its a serious election considering how Trump has vilified and criticized Obama and dismissed any good he has done ?

And GD thinks you have deep insights on the reality of the US political system?

SHADY you never complain about much but this perspective from Obama really seems to have annoyed you? This would only apply to people who are committed to the Obama legacy, so if I was a US citizen then it would be relevant to me. But its not relevant to every Democrat and some people will vote for Johnson and Stein Obama is just highlighting a Trump victory will freeze and or undermine his legacy for the next 4 years, so it does matter?

WOD you love your drama don't you I don't see how either of these stories is linked to the USA becoming like the USSR?

Why what were you expecting that would have made it less boring ? The presidential debates are not suppose to be about theatre and entertaining people , they are suppose to be about discussing the issues. They did debate things like the birther controversy, the ISIS strategy, aspects of the economy, tax returns and other topics People keep saying " the debate was boring " so I am interested in what people would like from the agenda ? Trump freaking out ?, that would have been entertaining. Yeah, I want him to completely lose it ...that would be epic

No thats not me, volo Trump has done terribly amongst African Americans, he has offended them on numerous opportunities Clinton has over 90 % of the AA vote. It is strange if AA support Trump considering his racist attitude, like the birther scandal, but people are of course entitled to vote for who they want

No male candidate would get this type of criticism in this way ...." I dont like what she says because she is aesthetically displeasing to me " I'm sorry, didn't we spend a little under a decade comparing George Dubya Bush to a monkey and suggesting that's another tip-off he's just not that bright...? Um, no, we didn't? I mean, sure, political cartoonists and the like have always caricatured prominent politicians for laughs, in ways that play into their perceived weaknesses. But nobody was looking at W and saying out loud that "he's so unattractive, I can't bear to listen to him." Anyhow, Bruce missed the worst part of Gfted's post. It was the . So, not only is he judging a female candidate based on her appearance, while considering a male candidate's appearance (correctly) irrelevant to his qualifications, he is also demonstrating that, although he's aware of this judgmental double-standard, he doesn't care that he's perpetuating it. That's institutional sexism in a nutshell right there. But guys on a serious note Enoch is right about institutional sexism and part of it does manifest itself in the unusual way we seem to criticize Hilary. Yes its not that everyone does this and of course reasonable criticism is normal and expected but there is something far too extreme in some of the issues some people have with Hilary I am of the opinion most people dont realize they are actually judging Hilary on a gender bias perspective but it is real. I guess the best way to determine if you are being unfair is to ask yourself the honest question " would I say the exact same thing about my candidate " ?

You shouldn't be judging Hilary Clinton on her looks. I appreciate your honesty but your opinion, which probably is not intentional, highlights the constant levels of bias she faces from many of her detractors that a male presidential candidate wouldn't have to face. No male candidate would get this type of criticism in this way ...." I dont like what she says because she is aesthetically displeasing to me " Anyway for the record I thought she looked fine, she also was more presidential than Trump because you can see she really studied the issues and worked hard to prepare for this debate. It was obvious Trump had put no effort into understanding the core issues and he used his usual tactics of hyperbole, theatre and unsubstantiated comments in most of the debate Also when you watch the debate with the twin camera view you can see he starts looking visibly annoyed and frustrated as the debate continues, she remains phlegmatic and reserved most of the time. She has a much better control of her emotions than Trump