BruceVC

Oh my hat you are going to have such an amazing time, I cannot express how entertaining it will be So English is fine, everyone should speak a semblance of English so dont stress But yes your funds will dictate the holiday and how you will travel, so if you dont mind how money will you take ? And you dont have anywhere specific you want to see because then you need to think about what you enjoy as there is everything in the EU and I can give you many recommendations

You don't need a degree but it does require some historical understanding and empathy around the history of the Europeans But things get complicated around this topic and its not necessary to go into details unless you really want to get a different perspective ?

According to you it is, the thing is do you consider yourself someone who has a deep understanding and view of bigotry?

This video made me laugh, it raises an interesting point which I want to unpack Before the election result I would have said " that black guy is an embarrassment to his race, why would he be aligning to a racist? Where is his pride ? " But the Trump victory made me redefine and reassess certain views people like myself have about SJ and what defines our view about what is equality and tolerance. I had some misplaced views around what Trump stood for and I made certain assumptions but Trump manipulated the media and did make some offensive comments so I don't hold myself responsible for this misunderstanding So now for example Trump has backtracked on most of his truly controversial comments and I realize he isnt racist towards black people as I assumed So in summary, its fine for a black person to wear a " pro-Trump " shirt, its unfair and unreasonable to criticize the guy because he can support Trump

Are you guys suggesting Hilary Clinton wanted to go to war with Russia? Can you produce a link or explain further ?

Dude.....where have you been? Thats such old sentiment, we have to give Trump a chance. He has backtracked on lots of what he said that was offensive so we must give him the benefit of the doubt as the next elected US president

and from what he did just now. The article is vague, in one place it says he was evaluated and in another place "not adjudicated". My guess is it's the latter, and the reason is no one bothered to adjudicate him, it was easier to just give the gun back. PTSD, not the same thing as insanity, or to be more accurate, paranoid schizophrenia that appears to be this case. WOD is correct, this guy should never have been given his gun back...there was a major breakdown of social and legal responsibilities here But he was suffering from PTSD, this has been confirmed when his brother said since returning from his Iraq 2011 tour he was never the same

You clearly need some nice adult mod to spice up the game

This is a good point. If Putin is prepared to send agents to London and successfully poison, it was in his tea I believe, a Russian dissident the hacking of the DNC to benefit there own political aspirations should be no surprise to anyone

KP its inaccurate and unfair to compare Saudi Arabia to ISIS ISIS is much, much worse

And? Should we just accept it now in a connected and digital age ?

Thats a good question In the case of SA currently no they wouldn't be justified as the private sector is suppose to be separate .....but personally I would prefer SA would be more concerned with this type of cyber attack but we are still dealing with certain disruptive social, economic and political realities that are due to Apartheid and bad government decisions, so SA is probably a bad example

I'm glad you asked " what should be done next ", that is a very relevant question The current punitive steps Obama took is fine for the short term, it sends a message. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/russia-election-hacking-sanctions.html?_r=0 But going forward we need Trump to at least acknowledge the threat, failing that we need reinvestment in the USA cyber-warfare division so the USA can protect itself going forward and Russia needs to be made aware these types of cyber-attacks are unacceptable Sanctions can be increased if Russia ignores this but no one is suggesting the USA must go to war with Russia....thats ridiculous and will never happen because of mutually assured destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

There are several Republicans equally concerned, people like Lindsey Graham http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/gop-senators-join-dems-condemn-russian-political-hacking/

Very pithy words, very wise

Because there is no evidence. And these agencies are responsible for security are they not? I think I already stated that, but if those 17 agencies would state that Russia "hacked the election" AND their chiefs would all place resignation letters the same day, because they feel responsible, I would consider that something happened. Right now it's just word against word. So: "If you don't believe in this theory then you don't believe in Democracy"? That's an old leftist song and no one buys this narration anymore, sorry. Wanting proof for claims has little to nothing to do with democracy. If anything wanting proof and holding gov agencies responsible is STRENGHTENING Democracy. Do you think that Russia is a good example of a Democracy? Do you prefer the Russian view of the world to lets say the view of the EU has where we recognize and enforce human rights and tolerance ?

Despite some Republicans disputing this Russia also hacked the RNC http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/russia-withheld-hacked-rnc-emails-to-help-trumps-campaign-report/ But I dont think this will change your mind about whether this was an attack on the USA so let me ask you this Dont you believe in a Democracy the election process needs to be as free and fair as possible, for example we know there is always some negligible degree of domestic vote rigging in all Democracies which we expect and normally doesnt impact the end voting outcome If you believe the process of the election should be sacrosanct then surely you can see that hacking the computer system that maintains vital information around any political party should be considered an attack on the election system because you are undermining one of the core components of that Democracy , a political party And if you seek to undermine the Democracy of any country then is that not an attack on that country ?

We need to discuss the Russian hacking of the DNC, thats what the thread is about but as it pertains to Russia this is about a history and culture of these types of events so the context needs to include how Russia has been involved in interfering in numerous governments for the last 10 years through there skill around cyber-warfare There is no doubt Russia was involved. It makes any discussion around this topic impossible to have if a person actually tries to claim " Russia wasn't involved or there is no evidence " 17 different US security agencies have stated this, why would you doubt this? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/

Happy Birthday young grasshopper

But again I have acknowledged certain countries spy or are involved in cyber-warfare. I also gave examples But no country has directly used cyber-warfare like the Russians lately to impact foreign governments institutions like the power grid of a country, this is unprecedented

But just to reiterate the broader point, this is not about the left or the right There is a real and sustained attempt by Russia to implement political change throughout the world through advanced degrees of cyber-warfare I have posted real links and evidence. This is not about fear mongering because that would suggest its not real or not a substantive risk , this is real. The question is " do you care that any country can impact the social and political stability of the USA "

Sup All I have realized that for some people there is a misunderstanding around the relevance and perceived impact around this whole " Russia hacked the DNC ", personally I have always been very concerned about the Russian hacking but I never explained the context and history of aspects of cyber-warfare perpetrated by the likes of Russia and why it should matter. This post is a discussion around this First important consideration is this whole Russian hacking is not about changing the election result, Trump won, and is not even about the hacking of the DNC. This is about something much more significant and is more about the principle and global position of " should the global community accept this type of interference and potential impact that the Russian hacking represents " Many countries engage in aspects of cyber-warfare\hacking and in many cases this is state sponsored, state sponsored means the actual government is involved which means hackers have increased access to resources and state funds which logically makes the hacking more effective than some guy living in a basement trying to discover if aliens are in control of the CIA For example China has hacked the USA in the interests of corporate espionage on numerous examples http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chinas-great-brain-robbery-hacking-us-companies-national-security-emergency-1538590 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/07/09/hack-of-security-clearance-system-affected-21-5-million-people-federal-authorities-say/?utm_term=.129e3ed13ed4 NK hacked Sony http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-behind-sony-hack-u-s-officials-n270451 Israel and the USA hacked Iran and created the Stuxnet virus to impact their nuclear program http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Stuxnet-virus-set-back-Irans-nuclear-program-by-2-years But in almost all these cases, except Stuxnet, the objective of the hacking was corporate espionage or a political statement. So in other words the Chinese want access to the corporate and government IP of the USA so they can grow there own economy But the Russians under Putin have been doing something more insidious and more advanced than any other country over the last 10 years. They have taken hacking to a different level and there hacking has directly impacted the government institutions and infrastructure of numerous countries....there objective through cyber-warfare is not just economic gain, which is normal, but rather an attempt to implement social and political change. Some good links to read for a summary of this An overview of Russian hacking over the last 10 years targeting the USA and other states http://www.techpolicydaily.com/technology/russians-hacking-dnc-america/ The attacks on Estonia http://archive.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/15-09/ff_estonia?currentPage=all The attacks on Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberattacks_during_the_Russo-Georgian_War The attacks on Ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/22/dnc-hack-crowdstrike-ukraine-malware-russia So in closing anyone who cares or supports the principle of a government being independent or anyone who cares about a free society needs to ask themselves a very important question " do I believe a foreign country has the right to impact my government institutions, like a power grid, through hacking and cyber-warfare" If the answer is " no " then these Russian hacks should matter because as I mentioned in the beginning this is not about the DNC but rather the fact Russia has the view and ability to attempt to influence the social and political stability of a country like the USA the same way it has impacted other countries like Estonia and Georgia

Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot that years working at the top of Apartheid system turned you into this. But please remember that we're not a black people in SA during that period and we're not obligated to treat you as a deity. And black people in SA are not required to do so anymore too. You really weird, you know that ?

I am not sure that is accurate? You never seem to raise any concerns when black people are killed by police or the police are heavy handed in the USA In fact sometimes you seem to almost dismiss violence or bigotry committed by white people as if its not real, like that ridiculous suggestion you made about " is there any proof that any of Trumps supporters have been involved in any hate crimes or involved in committing acts of violence " ...and I think you were being serious about that suggestion ? We all were and you still didn't produce a single evidence. Or are you suggesting that asking for proof is racists itself and we should believe such claims just because? Its simple really , everything I tell you is true. No need to question it further, just accept it as the objective truth

I am not sure that is accurate? You never seem to raise any concerns when black people are killed by police or the police are heavy handed in the USA In fact sometimes you seem to almost dismiss violence or bigotry committed by white people as if its not real, like that ridiculous suggestion you made about " is there any proof that any of Trumps supporters have been involved in any hate crimes or involved in committing acts of violence " ...and I think you were being serious about that suggestion ?