Malcador

Well, makes sense to bribe Turkey - outsourcing the problem is very popular in the West, no ? And have to keep those 'aid' trucks to Syria rolling.

Feel like playing a city builder, Skylines is still a bit thin. Caesar 4 would be fun but I have lost the ISO unexpectedly so I guess I will return to 3. Ah the days when 1024x768 was a large resolution.

No, go **** yourself.

Their countries won't be a mess if not because of the west...the west who messed up their countries. Such as in Afhanistan, USA who supply the Mujahidden to fight Russia and then let them loose, you give weapons to mad men, then these mad men rule, what do you expect? Below is Afghanistan before ad after USA using Mujahiddeen to fight Russian. If the west don't intervine, Afghans won't bother to migrate to the west.... Below is Iraq before and after USA topple Saddam Hussein Western peoples are hypocrite...you claim you are better than anyone, it is just because you destroy everyone else Iraq before western intervention Following picture is disturbing and isn't material that should be shown to children Picture shows victims of Saddam's chemical weapon attack against Kurds Iraq after failed western intervention Picture shows Sinjar which was destroyed by ISIS and efforts to drive ISIS away them. Picture is near of one of many Yazidi mass graves who were killed by ISIS. War and tyrants never change. Another even more disturbing picture of Saddam's victims Moderators feel free to remove pictures in spoilers if they aren't suitable to this forum. Meh, corpses on the ground isn't disturbing. But a failed Western intervention seems redundant, has there really been a successful one? Hm, maybe Grenada

The rubber liner in one of our showers has failed so leaks and stains the ceiling downstairs, that is going to be one pricey repair. Hopefully we can get a decent contractor, that is one sketchy industry.

Eh just Euro arrogance as always on the map Cartography is an interesting field to me, though.

So data is "pulp fiction"? Read a bit more, please, I really shouldn't have to break things down for you. The article(s) were strictly limited to the US in scope. Oh, and Breivik doesn't matter, because, uh... reasons! And cultural marxism! Do wonder if Europe has to be more concerned with Muslims carrying out attacks more than US. Proximity to the ME on fire works well for that. Hm, amusing if that is the US plan, redirect terrorists, heh. Had to laugh at the outpouring of support and empathy for refugees here, donations and support and people going to meet them at the airport. Is trendy! Poor bastards get stuck in Army bases for a time, though

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-holding-turkish-goods-border-relations-sour-101020011--finance.html Seems like a reasonable response so far. Not sure who this will hurt more in the long run.

Well Trudeau backed away from his 25k promise, now is 10k by end of year. More manageable. People still expecting terrorists. Coincides with people that call them ragheads or sand ****, too, heh.

Ah, yes, typical Russian subtlety

Well, come now, he is a biased source.

Did give us that Pale Moonlight episode and a Federation that isn't naive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/25/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-impact-idUSKBN0TE04M20151125#JiVH0ojGOa1qAwEL.97 Might be BS ?

I don't think SA's current government is interested in tackling issues that it can't blame on white people... Yeah, ok, but my perception has been their government is bit of an incompetent mess rather than being racist. But that is from outside.

Government not moving to crack down on this, Bruce?

Neither do I and yet here we are. As I said a little restraint on both sides would not have out of order. @Hildegard - Assuming a straight line path, the flying time is less than a minute - (6 - 8 km / 800 kph) * 3600 secs/hr = 27 - 36 seconds. The claim was that the Russian Su-24 was warned 10 times over a 5 minute interval but that the warnings began prior to the Su-24 crossing Turkish airspace. As in "change course you are about to violate Turkish airspace" which is exactly what you would expect. Again it's a matter of when the warnings were issued and why they were ignored. Of course you're simply free to view the insidious Turks as having schemed and plotted to shoot down a Russian aircraft. If so, I suggest you ask Gifted1 if he can also hook you up with some of that Fantastic Illuminati Mayonaise. Not sure Turkey is all that on the up, anyway.

Is why I fill my Facebook profile with lies.

While not excusing their actions by any means, it's interesting how people saying something like that forgetting the fact these pilots were dropping bombs on them in the first place. And i've heard reports that they're not even particularly choosy on who they drop them, militants or civilians. In any case, it's a bit hypocritical to expect these people to act differently. "We're dropping bombs on you, but shooting a pilot is just too much!" Really? Ah yes, the ever common preface which is proven a lie by what follows. I don't think British routinely executed German pilots during the Blitz, if they survived, after all. Also, you must be dreaming if you expect withdrawing and running away is an acceptable solution for state, especially a power like Russia. They don't need to bomb Turkey or anything, but those Turkmen are in a country that they were invited into, and are fighting against Assad. Not a big escalation to put the squeeze on them.

Nah, too much fear of reprisal. Have to bloody someone's nose, and Turkey seems sensitive about the Turkmen in Syria so they pay the price.

Russian marine killed as well, a chopper was shot by a TOW missile.

I think the Turkmen in Syria are in for a rough time.

The Muslamic Lizardmen still fight them in this shadow war.

Extraordinary meeting by NATO going on now.