Wrath of Dagon

Is that your rule, or is there some reason it can't be both?

I'll have to check your quotes when I get home. The way I understand it Canaan is Palestine, and Canaanites were the people who lived there before the Hebrew invasion (a lot of historians actually believe Hebrews were Canaanites). In any case, I wasn't claiming that a lot of Christians didn't support slavery, only that the equality of men before God was the argument against slavery used by early abolitionists.

How so? Was Germany about to invade Finland? Was there any indication the Soviets would break the peace treaty? The Soviet Union didn't get any Marshall aid either. Neither did any East European country. Obviously Finland had no choice but to sign the friendship treaty with SU after the war, but at that point the West no longer considered it an ally, that's just the reality of it. Edit: Also Marshall aid wasn't "compensation". US certainly didn't owe anything to anyone. It was an attempt to rebuild Western Europe, because that was considered to be in US interest.

What a prick you are, Krezack.

Explain. Did I insult him in any way?

I understand the metaphor, it's just that your comment doesn't really make sense in the context. But I don't really have the time (or, in your particular case the inclination) to educate you on the finer details of WWII in the Nordic countries. Let's just say that there was very little choice involved. So you're saying Finland had no choice but to ally with the Germans? Then why didn't they advance beyond their own territory? I'd say you guys helped the Soviets as much as the allies. Just can't do without the insults, huh?

You mean like a list of laws like in the link you posted? Yes.

I thought I just explained the Biblical law is based on the Mesopotamian to an extent, and then Western law is based on the Biblical to an extent, but obviously had other influences and evolved over the years.

The code of Hammurabi influenced Biblical law, just like Mesopotamian Legend of Galgamesh is very similar to the story of Noah. It says in the Bible Abraham came from Mesopotamia.

You reap what you sow.

Because I'm talking about Christianity and the ideas in it, and not the Church as an organization of privilege which was of course interested in maintaining the status quo. As to the rest of your post, you should not (and this applies to others) read any more into it than what I'm actually stating. My personal religious beliefs have nothing to do with it, I'm talking about history the way I understand it.

No, I'm generally aware of it but I'm not enough of a historian to make a cogent argument using historical evidence. The church didn't have to address the secular inequalities to maintain the idea as part of the culture. Eventually the idea of equality before the law took hold in the culture based on the older idea. I'm pretty sure the early abolitionists were Christians and based their opposition to slavery on the same idea. Edit: In my brief search, I stumbled on this: from 1381. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ball_(priest)

But secular equality came from the idea that all men are equal before God. I never claimed there was some kind of utopia that broke out as soon as Constantin converted. Nothing you're saying contradicts anything I've said.

No, you shouldn't have - we were the ones who got the collateral damage from that op. You pick your bed and you sleep in it.

I guess by that logic we shouldn't have helped the Soviets against the nazis either.

I thought the screenshots looked great, but there're always the graphics whores.

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There is a separate thread for that you guys could revive : http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showt...0&start=120 The game uses the latest Torque engine, so the screenshots are probably a pretty good representation of what you'll get in-game.

No it's not, it follows from the idea that all men are equal before God. Just like men are endowed with inalienable rights by their Creator, from Declaration of Independence.

Once again, I'm not ciritcal of Islam, I'm critical of militant Islam. You have no basis whatsoever for saying that. Feudalism doesn't preclude all men being equal before God (the meek will inherit the earth, remember?), that doesn't mean that all men are equal in everything.

How did it influence it exactly? No, not a trick question. Just wondering since "Western Civilisation" was there for a few thousand years before the Bible came knocking so to speak (it has only been around for a measly millennia in large parts of Europe). I could have sworn that Greek and Roman culture was what shaped it. Well, I can't very well recount 3000 years of history in detail to explain. Suffice it to say there are two powerful influences on the Western culture, one being Greco/Roman and the other being the Old Testament. These two merged 2000 years ago to form Christianity and begin the Western culture as we understand it today (I guess strictly speaking it started when Constantin converted). Edit: Btw, being a Mason doesn't contradict being a Christian, in fact most Masons are Christians. Edit2: Just to give one example, probably the most important idea of the Western civilization is that all men are equal before God. That idea originated with Christianity.

A book takes may be 6 months for one person to produce. A game could take years and a team of 100+ in addition to outsourcing. The economics are just completely different.

Someone slept through their history classes. Our laws descend all the way from the Code of Hammurabi. The Bible had a huge influence on the entire Western Civilization. Ideas don't just spring out of nothing. And the idea that all the founders were deists and not Christians is ridiculous.

Apparently there's still an investigation going on: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100825/pl_nm/...weden_wikileaks

Just goes to show how useless a Liberal Arts education is.