Mamoulian War

Heh combat on higher levels is faster at least with my warlock is :D If your dwarf is by any chance a paladin, then you are out of luck at least until lvl 40-60, when i was leveling my paladin i thought that i die from boredom at low levels... on top levels correct spec works on mobs as a chainsaw

I would not be surprised that total of all players who played WoW before longer than a month, quit and never resubscribed, would be around 2-3 more millions...

1) To play WotLK you have to have in your account linked Classic CD-Key, BC CD-Key and obviously WotLK CD-Key 2) I do not know if it is included, but there is free trial... So if you have Classic and BC enabled, you can download the trial key and later play wotlk after upgrade with same characters afaik... It's not 1 month though.

Yeah you are bro. OK sis, i will be your bro then. And no one is saying the PC is not more powerful than a console, I am for example saying that it is not an option for average gamer customer because it is still 200USD more expensive than Xbox 360... try to read whole my posts not only few paragraphs...

again, windows is not a "standard," it is proprietary software. what is being discussed in this article is an open architecture, not unlike the various bus standards, communications standards, etc. Actualy what is being discussed here is the possiblity, if it ends as a open architecture, which could be good for customers at the end, or it ends up as a closed proprietary milking cow of some big corporation

In here mostly you can choose to pickup cheap flatrate with very limited bandwith... around 1-2Mbit/s or very fast internet with few GB per month for same price, or extremely expensive and fast flatrate... in a level of few hundred EUR. Fastest internet is for students on campus here, and its also cheapest...

I think you need to do some research on current computer technology, bro, and stop relying on what existed when you first started selling computers. The same thing apply to current PC customers aswell... You would be surprised how many PC owners, if you offered them GPU for free and let them chose from Asus Nvidia EN7950GT/HTDP/512M and Asus ATI EAH4870 DK/HTDI/512MD5, without access to any outside help, will choose the nvidia card just because "it has bigger number, it must be better" reason. EDIT: (Or because they heard from someone that Nvidia is always the best choice for graphics). /EDIT It's realy crazy, that so many PC savvy poeple cannot look through the eyes of common person who do understand PC computing as much as quantum physics (i am not affraid to say that about 75-85% of all people look at computers that way) And i am not your bro...

Yes we all know that you are able to do that, but the difference between you and me (and anyone on this forum) and a random PC buyer, ist that the random PC buyer have absolutely no clue about what all these numbers and letters means, except the numbers right before €. One of the best posts summing all that up is this one from bioware off topic forums: You can do that, sure, but the entire dialogue is would still be incommensurable. The problem isn't that most casual buyers are unsure of how to decide between products (though obviously this is a concern) but rather that they don't know what those products are what they exist to do. I can debate the merits of a 9800GTX versus a Radeon 4870 X2 with someone qualified, but a casual buyer will probably ask, "what do I need a video card for and what does it mean for it to have more memory?" That's the difference in understand that I am trying to highlight. Most of use who are hardcore into PC gaming are very well aware of what we need to play games; but those who aren't, and aren't really familiar with the intricacies of computers to begin with, knowing what the right things to talk about are really daunting. Learning about computers and their components isn't that easy, because people are really, seriously blindingly ignorant. Lots of things that we'd take for granted are things that people have no idea about, like the difference between physical and virtual memory, or what the difference is between a single and dual processor, or what exactly memory does. All of this stuff is pretty complex, especially taking into account that people don't have any technical background at all. You'd have to start from the lowest possible level of complexity and teach people from the ground up. It's like learning elementary biology - sure, people could do it, but it's kinda hard, it takes time and effort, and most people don't really care. I have been making my living with selling PCs few years ago, and after 1st week at my work i rather stopped to count people which answered to the question "What will be the primary use of your PC?" with "All I want is something simple, i do not need anything powerful, it's just for games." And after i told them that gaming is one of the most demanding applications for PCs, and recommended them gaming rig for 500EUR instead of they dream rig for 300EUR with Celeron, intel IGP, 256MB RAM and 40GB HDD, they just looked at me with the "Another clown who wants to steal 200EUR from us" look... When you ask random PC owner what is the difference between ATI and Nvidia, they end up with same look as I end up everytime, when I go shopping with my girlfriend and she ask me "what you think is better for me, that Margaret Astor mascara or that Rimmel one over there?" I hope you now understand, that all that random buyers at BestBuy who want to play games, when they see Xbox 360 for 200USD, PS3 for 400USD and PC for 500USD go home with the Xbox 360 and dont give a damn about that PCs for 500USD can play all current PC games on maxed out settings...

um, no, not even close. clearly, based on this post, you do not understand what a standard is. because, if it is a standard, anybody can design to it... at that point, market forces will drive who is successful. taks Nah there are standards made/recommended by organisations like ISO or IEEE, and there are "standards" forced upon customers because there is no other similar product available on the market, like MS Windows for PC based gaming. If you dont understand what i am meaning blame my english explaining skills (not a native speaker)

Seriously dont think that will happen... the only reason why PS3 and japanese stuff is in red numbers is because value of Yen is to high... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01...nt-consoles.ars the most interesting excerpt from article:

Yes, looks to me same way...

apparently you don't understand the concept of a standard... it's not just "the consumer's wish," nor are what they talking about is a single provider. it took all of 30 seconds of reading to figure that out. lose your pre-conceived notions. standards abound in our lives. the cell phone calls you make are all done through a standard, mostly CDMA in the US, some form of GSM in europe, etc. standards make things easier for developers because they don't have to design for a billion sorts of hardware or meet a myriad of communication protocols. PCs have the PCI bus and its newer variants, SATA, firewire, and RS-232 interfaces, DVI for your monitor, etc. standards all. taks Apparently Microsoft Windows is a standard aswell... Forced Standard for PC gaming... what can stop a company which brings this stnadard to the public to force it for console gaming because it wants to make same ****loads of cash on it like MS is making on Windows...

just four words... Grand Theft Auto Four or another two... Assasin's Creed or another one... Crysis i could pull more words out of my ass aswell, but cba... Did I say play on max settings? No. And GTA4 is a poor example and you know it (and if you don't then frankly you are too uneducated to be involded with this topic). As even a top of the line box struggles with it. Poor coding <> a fair benchmark. Poor coding of ports is a plague of modern PC gaming, so it is a correct example here and you said...

lol no one is saying that

Luls i was just pointing 3 PC games which you cannot play at high setting at the day of the release with a PC for $600...

Define "near max levels" and I'll be able to tell you. i edited my last post but too late

Lolz. I can play both of those on my PoS laptop with decent settings. EDIT: As for GTA IV - it was simply a ****ty port. He said: Of course you can play assasin's creed and crysis on current hardware with decent setting, but were you able to play it in decent settings when they came out? And can you play them with everything on max or near max levels on your laptop? (That means with Antialiasing 16x16 turned on 1680x1050 with all DX10 stuff enabled) NO! (That was the point of my post, if you did not got it.) http://www.dailytech.com/Crysis+Demo+Hits+...article9428.htm http://www.dailytech.com/Binary+Heroes+PC+...article9500.htm

just four words... Grand Theft Auto Four or another two... Assasin's Creed or another one... Crysis i could pull more words out of my ass aswell, but cba...

Yes they are, but they cost at least 3x-10X the price of a console... If you would have wife, mortgage on house and two small children you would reconsider every single $ to release from your grasp The machine posted by Rhomal is not a high end PC, and same PC setup if not homemade, would cost you much much more... Only enthusiasists and people who has technical friends are building their own PCs... all others just buy Dell, HP, whatever vendorbuild machines with Intel IGP and are then confused why they new games are running slow... And enthusiasists do not buy PC for $600... I never ever purchased PC under 1500 EUR and every single PC i ever bought was made by myself... You got that right, I mean my current PC was built in 2006, but I must have put another $10,000 into it since then I Bought my current PC in 2006 aswell, so far the full value of every component I put into it is around 2500 EUR... In 2007 I bought my Wii and PS2, so far i put about 300EUR into Wii and 200EUR into PS2 (including initial purchase).

Yes they are, but they cost at least 3x-10X the price of a console... If you would have wife, mortgage on house and two small children you would reconsider every single $ to release from your grasp The machine posted by Rhomal is not a high end PC, and same PC setup if not homemade, would cost you much much more... Only enthusiasists and people who has technical friends are building their own PCs... all others just buy Dell, HP, whatever vendorbuild machines with Intel IGP and are then confused why they new games are running slow... And enthusiasists do not buy PC for $600... I never ever purchased PC under 1500 EUR and every single PC i ever bought was made by myself...

Not really. Did you happen to read that article by Valve's main guy where he explains that it's a myth? Gabe Newell explains why PC gaming is the future: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/valve-wh...-future-article Doug Lombardi further discredits "the PC is dead" claims: http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=873 Gabe Nevell have to say that PC-gaming ios not dead His income depends on PC-gaming Anyway i never said PC gaming is dead and tbh i don't think so. But i just think with all the DRM and limited activations lot of people (be it significant or unsignificant number i dont know) are turning to consoles. And besides his saying the Steam can combat piracy, is same myth as saying SecuROM can combat piracy, you just need to get one application and you can just play any Steam-only game if you want... You will be unable to update it (afaik that can be solved aswell but not 100% sure about it), but people who DL pirated games most of the time do not care about newest updates.

Moat of the time it's a direct result of making game for xbox 360 first and then porting to PS3... same we have with games proted from xbox 360 to PCs... they looks and plays worse aswell (unless you got very powerful PC) I would like to see an application made for PS3 1st and then ported to Xbox... Which we will see with release of Final Fantasy 13... I am realy curious how both versions will differ from each other...

ehm my fault... i thought it filled double layer BD, but looks like it it filled only single layer...

So do you feel then as though you are in agreement with the OP? That the console is going to fade away and we are going to return to a more generalized approach to home computing? Understand, I am not arguing with you directly, except to say that such reasoning flys in the face of everything we've been told about pc vs console game development. I understand what he said in opposite direction, you do not need PC anymore to do all the fancy thingies you were able to do few years ago, now you can make all of it on a gaming console aswell...

I don't see games hitting 50 gb anytime soon. I see one comming this year for example Final Fantasy 13, but it will not be the 1st game with around 50GB, the 1st was Heavenly Sword, released in 2007 (only the sound effects alone have over 10GB)!