Yuusha

Hi everyone, thought I'd lay off politics for a sec. Anyway, as you may or may not know I play the guitar. I've written a couple of instrumental tracks on my spare time that most of my friends enjoyed. So here I am trying to share that with you guys. Here's the link: Accursed Flame. To click or not to click? The heavens have given you a choice. Choose wisely.

@Walsingham: So you're basically saying that the real reason the Americans deployed the bomb was to keep Stalin in check?

One could argue that the only reason behind the invasion of Iraq, was for Bush to continue the 'family business'. I miss Bill Clinton... Although at '98 he did bomb a 'weapons factory' in Sudan. Which later turned out to be making aspirins.

Yep... Aliens exist folks. America is actually run by aliens from the planet Taa...

That's great. I have a one year old boy myself.

@Guard Dog: It is pretty incredible. The Earth looks peaceful from up there. May God have mercy on humanity and may we all strive to act in love. Great pic man.

@Xard: You got me so mad I almost like it....

Yeah I've heard of that story. Is that a true story or just an urban legend. About the 'most powerful images' thing, it's a matter of opinion right? And lastly, I do care about the victims of the bomb. I care a great deal. How can you even suggest that I do not?

Well today's the 6th of August, Hiroshima day. On this day 62 years ago terror and destruction marked the birth of the world's first superpower. Click me if you dare.

The first thing I'd do is find myself the best goddamn plastic surgeon in the galaxy coz being a sith means being butt ugly. Afterwards, I'd gather hot chicks from across the galaxy, conquer some planet and name it BORDELLO 5.

@Kaftan: Funny. You just might be the next Jerry Seinfeld.

One thing, Islam states that there is only one God. Hence the prophet Muhammad can only be regarded as God's messenger. And yes you're right, we don't need to stand up for God. And I think most of the normal, SANE, non-violent Muslim would agree with you.

Sounds pretty horrible. It is if you're gay. Your government is crazy. Sad but true.

Sounds pretty horrible. It is if you're gay.

1. No Dane cared? Wow... You really are attuned with the force Luke. You're power of insight is inspiring. What about the owners of the Danish companies? You think they don't care when their companies suffered significant loss as a result of the boycott? 2. If I remember corectly, there was an incident regarding the burning of the Beatles records following a statement by John Lennon. He said, and I quote: "We're more popular than Jesus Christ." Now the people that reacted to this statement weren't Muslims. Point is, the retaliation against the Danish Newspaper is perfectly understandable no matter what you say. It's human nature. Doesn't make it right though. 3. I'd dispute point 3. Freedom of the Press only extends to government interference. It doesn't protect a newspaper from the ill will of the public, nor does it immunize a newspaper from criticism. If direct pressure on the newspaper doesn't yield a desired apology, then applying pressure elsewhere, such as with a boycott of Danish goods, is acceptable in the pursuit of said apology. The point of a boycott would be to persuade Danish private enterprise to join the protesters in demanding an apology in the interests of returning business to normal. Arabs have no obligation to partake of Danish goods. They crossed the line with the violence, not the boycott. 4. Simple. The middle east already abandoned the ways of the ancients when Islam touched their lives. Did you know that before Islam came along, the arabs had this disgusting habit of burrying alive their daughters. And they were highly consumptive of alcohol and free-sex or whatever it is you call sex outside of marriage. There were slave traders in Arabia etc. Islam changed that, and that my self righteous friend, is our revolution. 5. What about tolerance? Does that word even appear in your dictionary? Just because it's not ilegal to insult someone doesn't mean you should go ahead and do it. If I were to go by your logic, then I reserve every right to call your mother a dirty whore and a ****sucking ****. But as a civilized person I am restricted by teachings of Islam that hurting others both emotionally and physically is a sin.

In my country, homosexuality is a not a crime when it occurs in private and between consenting adults. In 2003 legislation was proposed by the Justice Ministry to amend the criminal code so was to criminalize heterosexual and homosexual sodomy with up to twelve years in prison. The proposed legislation would also criminalize cohabitation, adultery and the practice of witchcraft. The government has allowed local governments to adopt Islamic law and thus certain local ordinances have been adopted that prohibit homosexuality and cross-dressing. The law also does not recognize gay marriage, civil unions or domestic partnership benefits.

I would never do a thing like that...

Of course I feel sad for the POWs and the holocaust victims. I am after all a human being. Look I know you don't like me and my views, and frankly I don't care, but please understand something: This thread is not about me, it's not about you, it's not about the US and it's not about the Japanese government either. This thread, first and foremost, is about the victims of the Atomic Bomb. Look at the pictures man. Look at them. I mean really look at them. Set aside whatever hatred you have for me and look at the pictures. Look at all the women, the children, the corpses, the destruction and the suffering that occured on that fateful day. Look at the lifeless eyes of the women who was holding her baby. It's sad isn't it. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We must never forget.

@Everyone: I started this thread mainly to share these pictures. I have no interest in participating in another debate. I'm just sad for the world. Today is the 5th of August. Tomorrow is Hiroshima day. And on the 9th is Nagasaki. I'm just sad that's all.

On Agust 10, 1945, the day after the bombing of Nagasaki Yosuke Yamahata, began to photograph the devastation. The city was dead. He walked through the darkened ruins and the dead corpses for hours. By late afternoon, he had taken his final photographs near a first aid station north of the city. In a single day, he had completed the only extensive photographic record of the immediate aftermath of the atomic bombing of either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

@Meshugger: 1. Boycott is civilized and proper don't you think? 2. Justifiable no. Understandable yes. 3. Unreasonable huh? Would you buy a product from someone who called you and your family terrorists? Freedom of the press is like a loaded gun, nothing will happen so long as the one who wields it is a responsible adult. But if an obnoxious kid gets a hold of it... 4. That's because unlike you 'the middle east' never went through the dark ages. 5. What is there to explain? Peace loving muslims, as in the non radical Muslims. Like me. Not all of us are terrorists y'know. Not all Muslims reacted violently to the 'cartoon.' Some of us cried. It truly hurt us. ------------------------------------------------- @Pops: Agreed. ------------------------------------------------ @:Tigranes: Well duh... I think the UN should intervene. Why? COMMON SENSE man. The UN pecekeeping troop would likely be a multinational troop, comprised of countries that are pro or neutral to Iraq. Granted, I have no way of knowing for sure what the majority of the Iraqi people want. But don't you think that a war torn Iraq would preffer to be supervised by a country/countries that DID NOT bombard Iraq on a weekly basis since the year 1991? The UN estimates that more than 500.000 iraqi children died from the US sanctions and bombardments. Lemme make this as short and as practical as humanely possible: Hello UN, bye bye US. ------------------------------------------------------ @St Jimmy: Open your eyes man. Discrimination is a fact of life. If I don't stand up for what I think is right, then I'm screwed. I didn't make the rules but I do know how to play the game. ------------------------------------------------------- @Walshingham: Let's not kid ourselves here. You and I both know that we don't see eye to eye, there's nothing wrong with that right? But even so I would never resort to calling you stupid or uncivillized coz that's just not true. Back on my US foreign policy topic, I remember you were being pressured to lock the thread by an angry mob hoding out pitchforks. "Would someone please lock this thread!!" "Oh dear... When Fionavar sees this..." "Where's a mod when you need one," and so on and so forth. You didn't back down and that was IMO one of the mark of a good leader. It's understandable to cater the needs of the majority but never on the expense of the minority. My point is: Don't patronize me man. Don't restrain/restrict yourself and your views on my account. I'm not gonna do you any favours just coz you're a mod. Ok bro. NEEEXT..... ---------------------------------------------------- @GuardDog: Ah... The good ol media. Always a reliable source. NOT!

It's been tainted by the Dark Side!

@Tigranes: It was just a figure of speech. Btw, it woud've been helpful if you stated in your personals that you're Korean living in New Zealand. I mean how am I supposed to know that? Well since I've never actually converse with you outside of this thread, I think my mistakes regarding your political views are understandable. Umm... Yeah that'd be a good start. And yes I do want to the US to stop putting its nose in where it doesn't belong, or they'll get something far worse than a nosebleed.

@GuardDog: I'm sorry if you thought I was ignoring some of your posts. It's a bit difficult to keep track of things when you're bombarded by arguements from practically everyone. Sure... That proves something doesn't it. I'll stop reposting my posts until someone actually debate them properly. I'm still waiting for someone to address my arguements as to why the US is allowed to topple democratically elected governments. And please, spare me the 'because we can,' crap. I agree that hindsight is always 20/20. That is exactly why I presented the quotes that I found to all of you. To raise a point that the bombings MAY HAVE BEEN UNNECESSARY. And considering the conduct of the US government on the international stage following the incident, I don't feel like giving the US government the benefit of the doubt. The US and its allies are indeed being targeted by Muslim terrorists. And that precisely the reason why I do not condone terrorism. The victims are usually innocent people. About the Danes, their mistake was generalizing all Muslims to be terrorists. What better way to do so than to draw our Prophet Muhammad (which in itself is a deadly sin) in a violent manner. I wouldn't expect you to understand the pain and anger it inflicted on us peace loving Muslims. It may be trivial to you, but to us it's the worst kind of insult imaginable. So? What does that prove apart from reaffirming Chomsky's theory.

Ok, firstly lemme just say that I know that I'm being out of topic here. I mean what do you want me to do? My thread regarding US foreign policy was closed. I would've posted there if it were possible. Secondly, it pleases me a great deal to know that many of you 'patriotic Americans' here are reacting the way I had anticipated. No surprises there. And please don't pull any punches just coz I'm outnumbered. And last but not least, BRING IT ON!! @GreasyDogMeat: I think I've explained why I went out of topic. Now I would like to start a new thread that is more appropriate for this type of discussion, but for whatever reason I'm afraid that it won't last very long. Riiight... I'm sure the A bomb was smart enough to distinguish between military targets and civillians (women and children). And I'm sure that the bomb didn't struck terror to the hearts of the Japanese who survived the event. Now whether or not the A bomb deployment was necessary, is a matter of opinion. Therefore I arrived at the conclusion that if the deployment of the bomb was indeed unnecessary (just like Eisenhower and a few others had suggested), but the US went through with it anyway, then it can be considered an act of terror rather than an act of war. Racist Psychotic Jihadi? Religion and Race are two different things. You're right about one thing though, the Muslim terrorist that committed 9/11 and various other acts of terrorism against the USA did so out of hate. But the source of that hatred is the US Foreign Policy!! Not because of the ethnic background of the US. I mean look at Canada, they aren't being targetd by terrorist despite the similiraties of racial background to the US. I honestly don't understand why you seem incapable of handling the fact that I do not hate Americans. What I hate is the American Government and not the people. Can you differentiate between the two? Btw, are you related to Guard Dog? Inbreeding's unhealthy y'know. ----------------------------------------------- @Tigranes: What bothers me the most is smart but ignorant people like you who is highly critical and philosophical about terrorism being comitted by Muslims, but turns a blind eye to terrorism comitted by your own government. Yes, I do think that the US government practises terrorism. My original response to you regarding this was a number of quotes from Truman, Eisenhower and a number of generalas and congressman. Truman stated that the a bomb was 'the greatest thing in history.' While Eisenhower advised against it. Now you may claim to know more about the situation then better than Eisenhower in an effort to justify the deployment of the A bomb, but you'll understand if I don't buy it. Also, you asked me which was worse, the US or the Muslim terrorists? In response, I posted a list of US vetoes on UN resolutions. You can clearly see from that list that the US goverment was a supporter of, among others: Apartheid Israel's invasion of Lebanon South Africa's attempted coup of the Seychelles Nuclear testing Development of new types of WMD's. (Terrorism anyone?) Development of chemical and biological weapons and so on and so forth. And don't get me started on my list of toppled government by the US. Which is worse, the US Government or the Muslim terrorists? Why don't you decide for yourself. 1. Both. The US vetoed the UN resolution of sending multinational peacekeeping troops to Iraq. There's no way to tell who will do better. I'll just have to take the US' word for it. And besides the US had no right to invade other countries no matter what. 2. There's no guarantee. But I wouldn't want someone who I do not like in my house. Especially when that someone is arrogant, intrusive, ignorant and a goddamn bully! 3. Sure.