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"Bodies" by Drowning Pool! Awesome song!! A good song to listen to when you're preparin for an all out brawl. It builds tension.

@Tale: LOL!!! Oh man that's funny as hell..... You really live up to your rep as the forum's jester. One more thing, if this thread is really gonna get locked I suggest you do so before I start posting the list of the US vetoes of the UN resolutions.

Ok, let's continue where we left off shall we. HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI In 1945, America became the first and only nation to use atomic weapons against another nation, when it bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki. A commitee had been established to determine targets for the bombs. Their reasons for their particular target: A Military target would not be sufficient, because a large urban area would be missed. (TERRORISM). I mean they could've dropped the A bomb on the goddamn ocean for pete's sake! Why'd they have to choose a city? Hiroshima was chosen because it was a densely populated area, and the surrounding hills would have a focusing effect thus maximizing the destructive force. As many as 150.000 people may have been killed in Hiroshima and possibly 75.00 in Nagasaki. That's like 100 times worse than 9/11. Many generals regretted the event but that still doesn't change the fact that the US unleashed armageddon on Japan. Military coups The USA has been responsible for the removal of many democratically elected governments. An incomplete list follows: 1949 Syria. The elected government was pro Palestinian and against the USA 1949 Greece: Elected government was against the US business interest. 1952 Cuba. Elected government was against the US business interest. 1953 Iran. Elected government was against the US oil interest. 1953 British Guyana. USA wanted access to sugar and bauxite. 1954 Guatemala. Elected government was against the US business interest. 1955 South Vietnam. French backed leader was replaced by USA backed leader. 1957 Haiti. Elected government was against the US business in terest. 1958 Laos. Pro USA government wanted. 1960 Ecuador. Government against USA business interest. 1963 Honduras. Access to resources. 1964 Brazil. Access to resources and cheap labour. 1965 Zaire. Access to Cobalt, diamnonds and copper. 1970 Bolivia. Country took ownership of its oil and tin. 1972 Ecuador. Government was against USA business interest. 1973 Chile. Government against USA business interest. 2002 Venezuela. Foreign policy of the elected government. 2004 Haiti. Foreign policy of the elected government. Military Intervention The USA has bombed more countries than any other nation. The reasons presented in American media have ranged from communism to fundemantalism to weapons of terrorism. Never is the question asked: "Does the USA have the right to dictate the behaviour of other nations?"

@Laozi: I don't hate AMERICANS. What I hate is the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. And what do you mean by 'being exposed' to an American?

@Laozi: I'll get back to you on that.... I ain't done yet. There still so much I've yet to post.

Why do people worldwide increasingly continue to hate America? Here is a humble presentation to help Americans understand why. Percentage of Muslims who view the US unfavorably: Saudi Arabia: 79% Jordan 65% Morocco: 49% Indonesia: 62% Views from non muslim countries: 2/3 of Russians reagard the USA's invasion of Iraq is a greater threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear ambition. A recent poll showed that 40% of Canadian teens agreed that the US is a force of evil Among Quebec teens, this number reached 64%. What is America? On the worldwide stage, America is not understood in terms of citizens because people in other countries simply do not know them. If they do, they may even like them. America is also not defined by the principles its citizens believe in, because other people do not see these principles in action. America in global context, is defined by its actions on the international stage. What America has done on the international stage is what defines who or what America is. Do I hate America? If America is the Principles of America, then I DO NOT, because it stands for PEACE, FREEDOM and JUSTICE. Red, White and Blue just like the American flag. If America is the sum of its citizen, then I DO NOT, because I honestly have friends and family who are American. But if America is defined by its actions, then only an ignorant or immoral person would support its foreign policy. Frequently Asked Questions. "Don't they hate America because they hate FREEDOM?" Mr Bush made this arguement: Many other nations are more free than the US but are not hated. "Don't they hate America because we are powerful?" If Canada became the most powerful nation overnight, the US would still be hated, and Canada would still be loved. Besides, true power serves, it does not enslave. People who hate the USA worldwide do so because they are the victims of the US' aggresive and biased foreign policy. Or because they are aware of the unethical behaviour of the USA and are strongly against it. The actions of the USA worldwide are often hard to see as anything but immoral. "Then why don't Americans know about it?" "If America is so evil, why don't Americans know about it?" "Isn't there a free press in America?" "Wouldn't independent journalists cover these stories?" While there is a free and independent press, the media is still subject to various pressures. Before a story reaches print, it must progress through a number of stages. During which it is subject to economic, social and political pressures. When a story finally reaches a reader, it has been distorted heavily in accordance with the vested interests of various individuals and systems. There is an inherent bias in the system towards corporate and national interests. Therefore, the average American does not have an accurate picture of their country's activities on the international stage. For a detailed analysis on the unquestionable bias on American media, read Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Conscent." "What specifically has America done to cause so many people to hate them?" One word: TERRORISM! Yeah that's right. TERRORISM. Terrorism (OE): a policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted, the employment of method of intimidation.

@Meshugger: Sun Tzu once said, and I qoute: "A diamond is still valuable even if it did come out the rear end of a flea ridden dog." Meaning that even if I were to reference a homeless bum for my arguement, what does it matter so long as what he/she said is true. Believe it or not, I DON'T hate the american people. At least not all of them. The only reason I keep replying to this thread is because of the seemingly biased views of some of the members here. As a Muslim, I feel obligated to kinda set the record straight.

@Krookie: LOL! Pretzels huh? LOL! But seriously man, you really wanna know?

Is it possible to seduce both the handmaiden and Visas?

@Meshugger: Umm... What was your point again? Ok I'll play along, I won't mention the a bomb no more. You know what they say about hindsight. But I will say this: America is being targeted by terrorists for a reason. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that terrorism can be justified in anyway. But it CAN be understood and possibly prevented, providing the US government is willing to alter their immoral and aggresive foreign policy. What gets me though, is the fact that the average American don't know the real reason as to why the US is hated by more and more people everyday. "Oh they hate us because they hate freedom." "Oh they hate us because we're powerful." "Oh they hate us because we are the champion of justice." Yeah right....

@Kaftan Barlast: Yeah you do that. Ignorance is bliss after all.

An essay by Serj Tankian of the band System of a Down. The brutal attacks/bombings this week in New York, and Washington D.C., along with threats of attacks there and elsewhere in the country have changed our times forever. While the mass media concentrates on the details of the destruction, and the blanketed words of politicians, I will attempt to understand and explain the events from the fence. BOMBING AND BEING BOMBED ARE THE SAME THINGS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE. Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just dont hijack planes and commit harikari (suicide) without any weight of thought to the action. No one in the media seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION? To be able to understand the answer to this, we must first look at our U.S. Mideast Policy. During most of the 20th century, U.S. businesses have worked on attaining oil rights and concessions from countries in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. After WWI, secret back door deals by our State Dept. yielded oil rights from then defeated Turkey to fields in what is now Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in return for looking the other way at a crime against humanity, the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks. Oil profits have been the motivating factors behind many attempts at counterinsurgency of democratic regimes by the CIA and the U.S in the Middle East (such as Iran in the 1950s, where the Shah replaced the Prime Minister who refused to give up oil rights to the U.S., and since the people couldnt deal with the Shah, an extremist government headed by the Ayatollah Khomeini ultimately prevailed). During the Iran-Iraq war, America supplied both sides with weapons and advice. These are not the actions of a rich superpower wanting peace. Lets not forget that Saddam Hussein, before being Americas vision of the Anti-Christ, was a close ally of the U.S., and the CIA. So what was the firm belief system of consecutive American administrations that caused all this to occur ? PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WILL LEAD TO HIGHER OIL AND GASOLINE PRICES. Lets not also forget the power of the Arms industry, disguised as defense, that still sells billions of dollars of weapons to the area. Therefore it has not been in the short-term economic interest of the U.S. to foster Peace in the Middle East. Using the above reasoning, the U.S. has encouraged extremist governments, toppled democracies, as in the case of Iran to replace it with a monarchy, rigged elections, and many more unspeakable political crimes for U.S. businesses abroad. Lets not also forget the Red Scare. During the war between the then Soviet Union and Afghanistan, the U.S. armed and supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist Muslim organization, and allowed them to export opium and heroin out of their country to pay for those weapons. Therefore the Taliban rose to power and control with the help of the U.S.A. Today, the bombing of Iraq still continues, no longer covered by the media, the economic embargo still remains, killing millions of children, and recently, while the world and the U.N. General Assembly have cried out to bring in peacekeeping forces into Israel and Palestine, to end the escalated war and recent assassinations, the U.S. has vetoed the rest of the Security Council and has halted the possibility of peace, there, in the most volatile place in the world. People in Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan to name a few have seen bombs fall, not always at military targets and kill innocent civilians, as the scene in New York city yesterday. The wars waged by our government in our names has landed smack in the middle of our living room. The half hour of destruction closed down all world financial markets, struck the central headquarters of our military, and had our leaders running into bunkers, and our citizens into fear and frenzy. What scares me more than what has occurred is what our reactions to the occurrences may cause. President Bush belongs to a long generation of Republican Presidents who love war economies. The media has only concentrated on the bombings, if you will, and what type of retaliations are looming for the perpetrators. What everyone fails to realize is that the bombings are a reaction to existing injustices around the world, generally unseen to most Americans. To react to a reaction would be to further sponsor the reaction. In other words, my belief is that the terror will multiply if concrete steps are not taken to sponsor peace in the middle east, NOW. This does not mean that we should not find the guilty party(s), Bin Laden, or whoever they may be, and not try them. Put simply, as long as a major injustice remains, violence precipitates to the surface of life. Native American folklore, the Bible, Nostradamus, and many other major religious beliefs point to this era with the visuals of yesterdays disasters, and conditions of ecological disasters we experience daily in our lives today. War, rumors of war, famine, long burning fires, etc., are at our doorstep. We can prevail over this possible vision with the power of the human spirit, understanding, compassion, and peace. ITS TIME TO PUT OUR NEEDS FOR SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, ACHIEVED ONLY THROUGH PEACE, ABOVE AND BEYOND PROFITS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES. SOLUTION: The U.S. should stop sidestepping the U.N. Security Council, and allow U.N. Peacekeeping troops and missions to the Middle East. Stop the violence first. Stop the bombing and patrol of Iraq. With todays gains in the use of alternative fuels, develop them to full usage with autos and other utilities, to make the country less dependant on an already depleting natural reserve, oil. By initiating peace, we would have already shaken the foundations of support for Bin Laden, and/or all those that sponsor activities like those we saw yesterday, and break the stronghold of extremists on the world of Islam. On the other hand, if we carry out bombings on Afghanistan or elsewhere to appease public demand, and very likely kill innocent civilians along the way, wed be creating many more martyrs going to their deaths in retaliation against the retaliation. As shown from yesterdays events, you cannot stop a person whos ready to die.

Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just dont hijack planes and commit harakiri (suicide) without any weight of thought to the action. No one here (heck no one in the media) seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION?

I'm not trying to blame anyone. I'm just pointing out a certain american-related bloody event that happened in the past.

Unbelievable... You guys are truly mindless masses brainwashed by the american government. You wanna know what terror is? Lemme show ya: On August 6, 1945, 8.15 am, the uranium atom bomb exploded 580 metres above the city of Hiroshima with a blinding flash, creating a giant fireball and sending surface temperatures to 4,000C. Fierce heat rays and radiation burst out in every direction, unleashing a high pressure shockwave, vaporising tens of thousands of people and animals, melting buildings and streetcars, reducing a 400-year-old city to dust. Housewives and children were incinerated instantly or paralysed in their daily routines, their internal organs boiled and their bones charred into brittle charcoal. Now that's terrorism!!!