Brimsurfer

Yes the ending is kind of hamfisted but that's not what I meant and not everybody disagrees with me, game does relay an underlying political / non religious value and to me it felt like that it was done to the extent where it kind of ruined the game, at least for me....

I have been playing RPGs and other genre's for over 20 years but I haven't felt that way about a game's story...........but in this one it really seemed like that this idea of Gods being a lie, was deliberately pushed into the face of audience....... I agree. This game should borrow a page from every religion ever and mind its own business. BG or PST or IWD or any of Elder Scroll games etc never had to borrow a page from any religion and yet they told excellent stories without a biased approach and without an underlying political or religious idea....... and all these games have alive and kicking deities and well oiled system of beliefs........ Not only is that arguable and highly subjective, but in the Forgotten Realms, mortals could become gods themselves, and gods could also be killed. And the way it was told was excellent, absolutely loved it.......

I have been playing RPGs and other genre's for over 20 years but I haven't felt that way about a game's story...........but in this one it really seemed like that this idea of Gods being a lie, was deliberately pushed into the face of audience....... I agree. This game should borrow a page from every religion ever and mind its own business. BG or PST or IWD or any of Elder Scroll games etc never had to borrow a page from any religion and yet they told excellent stories without a biased approach and without an underlying political or religious idea....... and all these games have alive and kicking deities and well oiled system of beliefs........

You misunderstand me , i have no issues with a God being portrayed as Bad, I played Baldur's Gate, one of my all time favourites, there are lots of 'bad' gods in that one who do very nasty stuff, Cyric being my favourite......I love that lore, i love that setting, excellent story telling........ However, in PoE, the game plot was going good, kind of vague but still good until the final act where, to me, it started feeling really superficial and then it disappointingly conformed to relay only a specific message, as I have mentioned in my other posts......

I have been playing RPGs and other genre's for over 20 years but I haven't felt that way about a game's story...........but in this one it really seemed like that this idea of Gods being a lie, was deliberately pushed into the face of audience.......

There are no Gods of Eora, what you are referring to as Gods, are merely the creation of Ancient Engwithans...........what these beings are specifically, the game and the lore fails to say that, but these beings can be communicated with and they exist but they are not Gods, they are only referred to as Gods by the common folk of Eora who doesn't know the Secret as the game reveals........may be the next chapter will unfold what these beings are......but a God is not created by people, only the false gods are........

I am not saying that this game represents a nefarious agenda.........but this is not just a story, because if it were it wouldn't have made such a specific point of Gods being a lie and the villain of the world is trying to hide that from the rest of the world......specific dialogues saying there wouldn't have been wars, if people were not misguided into believing deities................ and prosperity could have been achieved even without people believing in gods.....this is not a story, this is somebody relaying a specific message......not to mention all the dialogue choices for the protagonist in the whole final act implied all of the above I said, I specifically looked for a choice that would suggest otherwise but there was none..... As I said this story could have gone in very many different directions, but it was disappointingly reduced to relay the same old cliche with no end, that people have been tricked into believing in Gods...

I urge you to read previous posts again or play the final act again The story could have gone anyway, but it specifically steered into this direction and the dialogue repeatedly mentioned, that Gods are lie, they are fabricated, accountability to higher power is an illusion created to keep the people in line etc etc........act 4 narrative is pitted with such phrases..........and as I was playing the game, I was like, WTF is this? For me how the story unfolded in the final act was a big disappointment, there was so much potential in this tale and yet it was somehow reduced to the same old cliche.....and it really felt like it was deliberate.........

Just as I suspected, thank you very much.......... I have had extensive encounters with atheists and the way last act of the game unfolded, it was screaming write in my face what you just confirmed....... But in PoE's world western Atheist can't exist, because it is know that souls exist and samsara cycle exist and karma like rules that determine souls next body exists. So in PoE's world Buddhist beliefs from our world are reality. So it is quite clear that your extensive encounters with atheists have not taught you anything about atheism at least not its most known form in Earth. One radical aspect was put forth rest was ignored.......just trying to get the mind into the door without confusing it, thats what they call it.

Just as I suspected, thank you very much.......... I have had extensive encounters with atheists and the way last act unfolded, it was screaming write in my face what you just confirmed....... If the gods had turned out to be "real," would you have said that was unoriginal? I'm just curious. Then the story would have taken another direction, i can't say what I would have felt then.... I am only saying what I felt after playing the game. Games like BG and PST, they had great fantasy and the part of the reason those games were so grand, is that they never tried to push a radical idea to their audience........

Just as I suspected, thank you very much.......... I have had extensive encounters with atheists and the way last act unfolded, it was screaming write in my face what you just confirmed....... You seem to get a kick out of conspiracy theories. No conspiracy here, its all very clear

Just as I suspected, thank you very much.......... I have had extensive encounters with atheists and the way last act of the game unfolded, it was screaming write in my face what you just confirmed.......

It also specifically says that even those gods very false......... Why would I remove faith as a thematic option, if an actual deity were offered in the game? Faith is the basis of all religions of the world specially the 3 dominant Abrahamic religeons .... you aren't making any sense. honest. the existence o' manifest gods precludes the need for faith, so the developers transformed the current poe gods into human constructs. multiple gods and faiths existed before the created gods were constructed. those religions, like real world religions, were dependant 'pon faith. once the secret o' the gods is revealed, will people lose faith in the constructs? we would guess that some folks will have their belief system tested. so what happens in game 2? will folks search for and create new avenues for their faith? we expect so. is an interesting and unique situation for a crpg. regardless, you have misapprehensions 'bout poe that we doubt is genuine. HA! Good Fun! You my friend are the one who is not making any sense .... you wrote words but said absolutely nothing......

The evidence is about the same as in our own world? The game does state that before the creation of the new gods there were existing religions. In fact some of those may in fact still survive somewhere in Eora. Hell, the druidic faiths could be categorized as such. Also 'actual deities', your own bias is showing. Yea and the game also states that even those religions were false..........and you are right in this game druidic faith is the same, as it also talks about believing in things other than deities......... 'Every force has an equal and opposite reaction', is my reaction to the game's story is really a bias to you?

It also specifically says that even those gods very false......... Why would I remove faith as a thematic option, if an actual deity were offered in the game? Faith is the basis of all religions of the world specially the 3 dominant Abrahamic religeons ....

Where does it even hint that there might be an actual deity, in the whole game? Go back to the closing act of the game, point out a single sentence that even hints that............and all dialogue choices suggest that anything to do with Gods is a complete lie..... ps we do think grom has...... an specific issue...

I have seen that tactic employed many times, promote an idea in disguise of negation.......

Magic has nothing to do with divinity......magic is an ungodly force....... And God-like race description creates kind of a loophole in the lore, since the closing act of the game completely discounts the existence of Gods....... (made a thread about this in stories section of the forum). One may also argue that the race is God-like only in name, as its referred as God-like only because it shares some resemblence to elements and celestials but lore doesn't say much about it, so nobody can be certain.....

Well, does this game had a large Atheist backing when it was in development? Or do some of the developers or writers adhere to similar absence of beliefs? Does anyone know? Because the story does seem like something that an atheist parent would tell his child before putting him to bed, it seemed like the whole thing did turn into Atheist cliche propaganda......and seems like it was indirectly sending a specific message to the audience...... EDIT: Just saying, because I have had some experience with proponents of Atheism and many things they say are quite similar to the ideas behind the main story ......

Does anyone else think the main story of the game is quite unoriginal, it seems more like a story that an atheist parent would tell his child before putting him to bed?......there are no Gods, its all the creation of some people in old times and blah blah blah....... I mean I honestly believe they could have done much better than that...........most of the dialogue in Act 4 seems like a piece from some kind of atheist text lol......... On a seperate note, the main story of the game seems quite vague because if all these so called Gods in the game, (who are later revealed as creationi of Engwithans) , what are they? What kind of creation are they? The game leaves so many loopholes in the main story that to me it all seems like a lump of mumbo jumbo..........it appears that there was no authentic procedure involved in building up this fantasy. At least that's the impression I got from my playthroughs.

Riposte triggers a full attack (two weapons damage if dual wielding) but if I am wielding only one weapon and shield, then it'll just be my primary attack damage instead of full attack, wouldn't this be like I am compromising half the power of Riposte?

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Damn, posted here by mistake, wanted to post it in Character Builds section,,,,,,,,,if one of the moderators can move it for me, it'll be great.....thanks

Is it viable to even try and make Riposte work on PoTD? Rogues have low deflection and I understand in order for Riposte to work I need high deflection or blinded or terrified enemies so that their attacks actually miss me......and I need to be on front line so I may need probably good DR too because enemies are probably not going to miss every hit .........so what would be a good DR score for a frontliner on PoTD? Has anyone had any experience with this kind of rogue build? Please post if you have something to share about this........... Thanks

I was thinking more like a defensive melee rogue with retaliation and large endurance pool and high DR, but I was planning on to play with full party............not sure if this kind of build is vaible on PoTD at all.....just thinking about it now.......