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I don't take that quote seriously, especially since what he says is clearly an absolute.

Odd that no one mentioned it yet indeed. Especially not yesterday in the Politics 2016 thread as news trickled in. So odd that this didn't happen.

It can be. For some people it is. For some people it isn't.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but I'd be wary of making a correlation between a heterosexual or homosexual person discovering they were bisexual and proof that heterosexuality or homosexuality could be 'cured'. I'm not saying it could be cured. That implies there's something to cure. But it's perfectly possible for someone to be exclusively homosexual and identify as such for years, only to turn around and exclusively have perfectly happy heterosexual relationships after that. And vice versa. A man who has only ever been attracted to women and then suddenly becomes attracted to men is also perfectly possible. That doesn't suddenly make them "100% straight" or "100% gay" as if it's some binary setting, but for all intents and purposes they can go from homosexual behaviour to heterosexual behaviour and I'm not sure there is any other metric that matters in a practical sense. It's not something you can switch on and off or anything, but to me the simple truth is that not all people are attracted to the same things their entire lives, including gender.

It takes a shallow man to think with men it's all physical. That's simply not true. It plays a larger role, but having a physical relationship does not equate to attraction. Historically gay men (and everyone else for that matter) have been perfectly capable having physical relationships with people they're not attracted to at all, people they really don't want to be with and don't have a romantic feelings for. And let's not forget that women are perfectly capable of sleeping with someone just because they're hot. Your premise is dumb enough to dismiss out of hand, but if you're so obsessed with links here's one you can get some basic education on sexuality from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale Emphasis mine.

Why? I don't see why you would oppose the idea that it's common enough that you demand proof. Sexuality is well known to be a scale. Just google Kinsey. Some bisexuals may think they're entirely homosexual for a long time until they suddenly fall for the opposite sex. I knew a lifelong lesbian girl who suddenly married a man, not because she suddenly wasn't attracted to women anymore but because she was more attracted to him. You act like if it happens it suddenly removes value from "real" homosexuals or something. It doesn't.

True. There are differences between a suicide bomber and an assassination. Some people consider only "indiscriminate" violence to be terrorism, rather than specific people as targets. I feel like terrorism is generally targeted enough, however. It may not be "that guy" but "people in this location" isn't entirely indiscriminate either.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive?

The core fallacy is the distinction between mental and genetic where there is none.

The first SW films were pretty firmly Space Princess, Black Knight and lighthearted adventure first and everything else a distant second. None of the characters take themselves too seriously and the whole thing has a decidedly campy feel. Rogue One and Ep7 have the same in your face, slavish devotion to series tropes, treating the universe as though its this grand, sacred fully fledged world. Everything that the more obnoxious series fans obsess over needlessly like the horde of cretins they are takes front and center instead of making a carefree adventure that both children and adults can enjoy. That's why I said its fan fiction. Eh. Again, I see that in Rogue One very clearly but I felt like Ep7 was carefree as they come, slavishly devoted to the style of Star Wars while not stressing over the actual suvstance. It does have a huge fan fiction quality to it as a loose remake, but for very different reasons. Because it takes itself too seriously sounds like projection to me. It doesn't explain its setting and the politics of the New Republic or even why Luke's saber is there because it's to busy getting to the next ridiculous fight. "Take this cool laser sword, that you have it is more important than why 'cuz dem baddies are here." That's opposite to Rogue One, which goes out of its way to equate Rebels with terrorists and gives Emperor Ming's Doomsday Space Laser the dramatic weight of a nuke in a war movie. It tries to add shades of grey to that farmboy saving the princess that it doesn't deserve and that IMO don't fit. Seeing a gritty war movie in Star Wars is a fanboy wish I've never shared, I guess. Force Awakens doesn't even give its death laser respect: "So, it's big. There's always a way to blow it up." It makes an off-hand remark about Stormtroopers being brainwashed innocents and then gleefully blows some more up whereas Rogue One broods about collateral damage like it's Nolan's Batman movies. There's a difference to trying too hard to feel like Star Wars, like Ep7, and taking Star Wars far too seriously like Rogue One. Ep7 fits fine into a world where Teddy Bears defeat the Empire, Rogue One doesn't.

Man I wish I saw the same things you guys did in Rogue One. I wanted to like it, but I was just so bored. KOTOR isn't canon. Hammerhead ships are actually much newer in canon. The rebellion acquired a bunch in Star Wars: Rebels, actually. Yeah I figured they were retconned, I was being more sarcastic than anything about just reusing stuff we've seen before.

I only somewhat agree. Star Wars always had a balance of fantasy and contemporary elements. WW2 dogfights and Nazi uniforms aren't exactly fairy tale stuff and the first film pretty clearly deals with nuclear deterrent and government security just as much as it does with a Space Princess captured by the Black Knight. Rogue One just made it unbalanced towards politics and war movies and tried to hammer it home with obvious symbolism like mushroom clouds and Galen Erso as Space Oppenheimer. For me the most interesting moments were the more Fantasy elements like the Jedi Temple and Vader's personal dark tower, because they weren't obvious recreations of Iwo Jima with AT-AT's. Not sure why you think Ep7 falls into the same trap, because it's a race to find the wizard using the magic treasure map and the power was inside you all along fantasy cliches. I'm going to guess it's because of identity politics, because the anti-SJWs on this board inject more of that nonsense than any feminist I've ever seen.

This is why I try to make sure whoever's watching is creeped out too.

Well, Americans don't celebrate their freedom from the Irish or Italians every 4th of July. The British man is still a classic villain trope in American popular culture. Color me unsurprised that people don't view it as a source of pride.

Catching up on the math in this thread, I have some questions. So from what I understand... If you supported Bernie but voted for Hillary, your morality score is low? But if you voted for Hillary from the start, your morality score is also low because she is a bigger corporate influence than a literal corporate leader. If you voted for Trump you are Literally Hitler, so low score again. If you didn't vote for a primary candidate, it's the same as not voting and if you didn't vote, you're the worst of all. I guess my question is, is there a way to humanely euthenize the entire population of the USA so it can be put out of its misery? Just to reiterate, I campaigned for Sweet Meteor O' Death 2016. I just didn't expect that to give me more morality points than the candidates.

A Muppet Christmas Carol.

I enjoy your commitment to truth. If I made a comment about a priest and a rabbi walking in to a bar I feel better knowing you can confirm my story with your FACTS

Oh yeah question: How and why did the rebellion have a 4000 year old KotOR era Republic Cruiser? I was not expecting to see the Endar Spire show up in the middle of classic era Star Wars. I can't remember anyone's names but I can't get that out of my head.

Don't get me wrong, it's as good a Dungeon Keeper fan-game is probably going to get. It's just got some things holding it back. Later missions where you get access to more iconic creatures, especially vampires and necromancers, somewhat alleviate the problems and the visual style and humor are spot on. It's not bad, it's just not... Dungeon Keeper.

Yeah, it was developed by fans and was originally a fan Dungeon Keeper 3. It's a valiant effort but it's just not the same. The devs spent a little too much time making sure it was balanced for multiplayer making the creatures and abilities much less outrageous and fun than anything in the original Dungeon Keeper games, which doesn't help the fact that only very few of said creatures and abilities come close to being as iconic as the stuff in the originals. Having a dungeon filled with Goblins, Trolls and Skeletons just fits the fantasy the game is trying to sell much more than having a dungeon filled with "Gnarlings" and "Chunders".

I feel like this detail makes it more believable... they are neo-nazis, after all. Not exactly paragons of intelligence.

Hrm, interesting that you found it tense and unnerving. I felt no tension whatsoever myself, so I wonder where the difference lies. I attributed it to not caring about the characters. 12 hours later, I can't remember their names. I remember Jyn from the trailers and Galen because it's repeated over and over. During the movie itself, I kept forgetting the pilot character had even tagged along with them. Donnie Yen and his buddy with the gun had potential, but were wasted. I wanted to know more about them and see them do something useful, I liked how they touched upon the religion of the force. But they contributed little to the plot and unless the idea is to bring them back in further movies, cutting them would have changed nothing. I liked the droid, though.

Saw Rogue One too. Found it rather humdrum, which mostly had to do with the fact the only character I cared about was the nihilist droid. The action looked fantastic but randoms vs bad randoms isn't riveting storytelling. Also I don't care what anyone says, CGI Peter Cushing was a terrifying monstrosity.

It's one of those "what might have been" deals for me. I still blame SWToR.