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Perhaps it's time to resurrect the thread?

Not in the canonical story, mwahaha.

For the last time: it is unknown if Kavar trained Exile or not.

"r"ight now, "A"s long as they keep the mystique of Exile and Revan"." I will treat it as a lame example of fan service. No he couldn't. (Nihilus, maybe, but I doubt it... Exile, plain no.)

But something was in that damn holocron before you blew it up?

For the last time: Zayne is not Exile. Nor is he Revan, any of Exile's visions, Carth, Atton, Bastila, or anyone else you may have in mind. Zayne is just that: Zayne.

I wonder what the holocron containec in the LS Revan story... Any theories?

They already destroyed it, in a sense, by introducing canonical genders for Revan and (soon to be revealed) Exile.

And there are some "hard core" SW fans who genuinely think that KOTOR is G-canon, on par with the movies. We can't simply "write off" KOTOR as Infinities. Leland Chee said that both KOTOR games are no more or less canonical than most of the EU, C-canon, that is.

The Masters (Lucien Draay, Feln, Raana Tey, Q'anilia and Xamar, to be exact) who committed the murders weren't the same, but they were adviced to do so by an "affiliate on Coruscant". And it very much smells of Atris, or at least one of the big five.

Kreia? I didn't expect that. I think she's the best character in the game, most well-developed, at least.

Unless you take into account that others subjected to this instinctual reaction expecienced another instinctual reaction, you know the pattern, "Nnnnoooooooo!!! I won't give away the Force! I'm powerless without it! It's better to die!" The Force is like a drug: it makes you feel something normal people don't, once you start using it, it is increasingly difficult to cope with being cut off from it.Don't forget the circumstances at Malachor V were, to an extent, unique. Not many Force-sensitives ever experienced what he did. When they were exposed to such an echo in the Force as Malachor, did they suffer the same instinctual reaction? Quite possibly. But they died where Exile survived, as they considered giving away both their life and the Force less painful than just the Force. You mention other Jedi at Malachor who either died or went to the dark side. Exile was different from them in exactly one thing: he was the one to activate the MSG. Therefore, the Force retaliated on him alone, not on the others. As for the Jedi Masters: are we speaking about the same paranoid Jedi Masters who murdered their own Padawans due to the fear that one of them would succumb to the dark side, the same Masters who allowed the Mandalorians to accumulate the strength for the Mandalorian Wars, who watched silently as the Mandalorians crushed the Republic, who were too afraid to investigate what really happened on Malachor, who sentenced Exile for crimes he didn't commit - only, in their opinion, could commit, and never did, who could not foresee and prevent the disaster on Katarr, and who, finally, all of a sudden changed their position on Exile from benevolent (after he spent so much effort on stabilizing the Republic) to hostile? And now these Masters, who never knew anything about what happened to Exile, what caused him to do what he did, and what life he lived in the Outer Rim after they sentenced him for the first time, dare to judge him. I don't dare to judge them, but I think it's rather hard to come up with rational judgment in this situation.

Of course Revan predicted everything. ABSOLUTELY everything. Revan is such a super-duper-mega-cool fanboy favorite that he MUST predict and foresee every single event in the galaxy that somehow concerns the Jedi, the Sith, the Republic or the Mandalorians to support this super-duper-mega-coolness. All the other characters are infinitely insignificant compared to Revan's blaze of glory. In addition, he orchestrated the Mandalorian Wars, not to mention orchestrating the Great Sith War before even being born in order to set up the stage for the Mandalorian Wars. And of course, Revan is the central point of the entire KOTOR era, possibly even all of Star Wars.

To clarify: if you side with Talia from the beginning, then you have no choice but to continue this path. However, if you side with Vaklu initially (for instance, by supporting Ponlar and agreeing to help Anda remove the three captains), then when Tobin interrupts your meeting with Kavar in the cantina, you will have the choice whom to follow - Talia or Vaklu. As a lightsider, I prefer to support Vaklu first (because this is the only way to eventually get 82 influence with Mandalore and get him to tell the story about his helmet), and then switch to Talia's side and have the LS ending for Onderon.

Yes, quite so.Just to clarify: Exile has a presence in the Force, even if this presence is like an absence, it's still not nothing; it is consistently acknowledged that Exile can be felt through the Force. ("Malachor V should have been his grave. You saw it in his walk, and in the Force. It was as if he was already dead." - Atris to the rest of the Council) This can be interpreted as an identity crisis, but to quote Chris Avellone: I'm quite curious about what Vrook wanted to say. However, Avellone's POV is mostly expressed through Kreia, not the Jedi Masters.

One wound in the Force was Malachor. By activating the Mass Shadow Generator, Exile caused such a disturbance in the Force (which backfired on himself) that he was forced to cut himself off from it in order to survive. (Continuing the flash analogy: if you don't close your eyes, it is possible that the flash burns down your eyes completely.) Perhaps in the eyes of the Council, this transformed Exile into some sort of a wound in the Force as well - one capable of destroying the Force itself.Why the Council attempted to cut him off? As mentioned, Exile's connection to the Force was not completely severed, and the Council was afraid of the resurgent connection - not only could the Force affect Exile through it, but Exile was also able to affect the Force. Since they were afraid of the death of the Force (and the Jedi), they attempted to permanently seal the "rift" by closing the connection between Exile and the Force, depriving him of any way to further disrupt the Force. Whether they would succeed if Kreia didn't intervene is a matter of debate, but I think they would.

First of all, ditch the midichlorian theory. It is unclear how true to the nature of the Force it is. At least I don't think Obsidian seriously considered it. What I don't understand is why people can't accept that Exile's connection to the Force just healed itself? Let me use a real-life analogy. You can see, like all normal people do. One day, you are exposed to a blinding flash - so bright that you lose sight for a long time. However, over time your eyes get healed, and your sight returns - gradually. Is it somehow a "cheat"? Do you sense photons in a way different from others? No. Do you see through others' eyes? Perhaps your brain learned to communicate with others' optical nerves? Nonsense. However, you have learned to exist without sight, which you previously considered vital to your life. If such an accident happens once again, you will be less hesitant to accept it. This is what happened to Exile. The idea of KOTOR II is that not the Force makes one strong, but the readiness to separate oneself from it. Exile, once a Force-sensitive, gave it away when others couldn't - and died. They learned to exist without a connection to the Force. This, not any strangeness in his newfound connection to the Force, is what the galaxy was not prepared to accept. Considering the nature of their Force bonds, I have said it before, and I will say it again: the Council was mistaken in their assumption that Exile's Force bonds held any danger. In other words, I stand by Mical and Visas' position. And given that even non-Force-sensitives, like Canderous and the droids, readily followed Exile, it seems to me that being a leader the way Exile was is something more complicated than just being fluent in the Force.

Kreia cannot be compared to Palpatine. They are both manipulative, but Palpatine is bent on taking over the galaxy, while Kreia is only interested in revenge against those who once cast her down, Jedi and Sith alike. Neither is Exile obsessed with saving the galaxy, for that matter. He's just trying to understand what's going on and what he is. As I see it, Kreia is the "author surrogate", acting as the in-universe representative of Chris Avellone and saying things he wanted to say. The "there is no great revelation" line is definitely a pun on BioWare and the Revan plot twist. Even if Kreia had no other great lines, she would deserve a monument for this line alone.

Nautolan. Yes, I'd like that. Possibly also a Togruta, Twi'lek (in K2), or the unknown tridactyl species .Wookiees can use lightsabers, there were at least two Wookiee Jedi in the galactic history. Obsidian also wanted to make Hanharr a Dark Jedi, but LucasArts forbade them to.

KOTOR is also part of the EU, you know. They are not separate concepts.

Why outside of KOTOR? KOTOR is no more or less canonical than other EU sources. If KOTOR II says that there was a female Darth (Traya), then there was.

Ironically, you repeat Kreia's position. "Apathy is death."

Why do you state it as fact? Revan was already wearing the robes during the Mandalorian Wars (the mask, at least). As for HK-47, we only know that he was created by Revan sometime after the Mandalorian Wars. Nowhere is it said that the Star Forge had any role in the process.

None of the above. I think that we can speculate for ages, but the revelation will nevertheless be surprising and not like anything we may come up with.