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mkreku: Hates Model because their all looks and no personality and Internet Girls for being all personality and no looks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So where does that leave you? Looks and personality?

Yes but it can equally inspire acts of hatred and intollerance. Okay. Now we have faith could guide our actions beyond logic established. We do, right? So why are there prophets and religious scriptures then? I believe they could help us direct our devotions to the right causes. I am against forcing any belief on any one but even you can't deny that the influence of all the religions combined have reached pretty much every corner of this earth. Studying the major ones, they all seem pretty sensible to me, preaching peace and love. Now when devotion leads to hatred or intolerence, how could they be the fruits of the religions themselves when the religions are against hatred or intolerence? p.s. The Crucifixion has little significance for me. What's important for me is that Christ devoted his life till death to teach the people. How could an act of blood sacrifice be more important than a sacrifice of a whole life?

'we' ? I didn't kill anybody and what's more, i don't stink either... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was speaking 'we' as humans collectively as one group. Read Hades's sig. You might understand why I talked with him in that way.

In prints. The post directly above my last one.

Not all acts of goodness are attributed to religion but religion can inspire acts of goodness. Giving up your life for another is not suicide. Christ did it himself. I would say Gandhi did it too. It's an act of devotion. Such devotion does not come from logic but strong faith. If you don't want to call it religious then let's use another phase: a state of love.

What why would an aethiest dive on a grenade to save a friend ? Since it's not something I'd be inclined to do, not something I can answer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doubt they have a definite answer about the reasons for their noble actions either. Hence making my point. They do not believe in God but obviously they believe in something so that they decided that their life's purpose is to serve that goal of saving a friend or even a stranger's life. Do you still insist that they are not religious? I mean you can't get any more religious than having such strong faith that you willingly give up your life.

Plenty of people who don't believe are not relgious or believe in god are nobel. Aethiests have thrown themselves on grenades to save friends just the same. Actually I'd be much more inclined to believe an aethiests motive as pure since they have no reason to be scoring points like some christians do. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So tell me why would he/she do that?

Why am I defending Christianity when I am not even a Christian? Maybe I should jump on the wagon and start talking about how the Crusaders are the most disgusting scums this Earth has ever witnessed or how those priests could preach about God and then have sex with little boys in their dark chambers. Or how about those good European Christians who came to Beijing on their battleships, raped our women and burned the city to the ground? Should I hold a grudge against Christ because they were Christians or any other time a crime is committed in the name of Christ? Remember Christ is not the source of those evils. We all have free will. If you read the Bible and see it fit to kill Native Americans or raise a war against another nation, perhaps you missed a few lines in the Ten Commandments. And ShadowPaladin - I am sure there are plenty of religious people who are also immoral. But how could you ever be capable of noble acts like self-sacrifice without being religious (again it doesn't mean you have to believe in God)?

Finally, some love for the Asian ladies...

If you say Moses and Jesus's teachings did not strengthen our morals, you are lying.

Then you couldn't take the credit for lives saved in the name of Christianity either. Just think what a ugly world we will be living in, if Moses and Jesus never taught anything about loving our neighbors and forgiving our debtors. We'd already teared each other part.

Well, Jesus didn't abandon us even though we stinks and even killed him. Trust me, the world will be much grimmer if he did.

He knows how much we are going to suck. That's what he claimed. You know the all-knowing talk. At least we are trying not to suck so much.

Geesh, Hades. Be a little more optimistic, will ya? Christ knows what's he's got to work with. I think we have made at least some progress since he died.

I don't think that is possible religion dosnt exactly adapt quickly. Plus you cant predict what science will come up with next so trying to plot your religion around it would be next to impossible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well. Keeping an open mind will help. As well as admitting the fact that science has the final say on all matters concerning the physical universe.

Yeah. I guess. If only Christ is still alive today... We could go talk to him and get all the confusions sorted out.

Agreed. However, I will go one step further and say that religion should be practiced in the way that faith do not clash with scientific evidence in the first place.

Now why didn't Christ put that in the Bible. A lot of troubles it would have saved.

Could you explain this please? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Certainly. The statement arose because I am an idiot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Err... I only ask because I seem to like all the religions very much and so far it works for me.

The reverse is true as well, by which I mean, I'm absolutely astounded that any human is so arrogant as to presume that, if God exists, he or she is fully competent of understanding God's will. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Both are very true.

Well you can believe what you like but that dosnt make me religious Which I'm not by any meaningful definition of the word. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is meaningful anyway? I have decided to redefine religious beliefs as beliefs that your life has a higher purpose and that you feel a sense of duty to mankind. I shall not rest until my defintion becomes generally accepted!!!!!!!! ShadowPaladin - You are religious. Come on, it's not a bad word...

Could you explain this please?

I think I said it to you before, if you believe your life has a purpose, I consider you religious. Your beliefs is your religion. You don't have to believe in God. What is 'God' anyway?

Yes i'm sure the irony of it being spread at the end of a sword isnt lost on anyone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am well aware the fact that Christianity contains much corruption and evil.

Look at how many people utter his name with love every day and how his teachings influence their lives. If that's not power, what is?