EnderAndrew

Each of the 4 games have different GMs. Just look for the thread labeled game 4 and post in it that you would like to play.

Welcome to the forums. Game 4 is currently looking for players.

Yes, point anything to me that I missed. When I first posted the list I realized I missed really obvious titles like say, Oblivion. I'm sure there are even more I missed.

I hope you have Tivo. Don't miss an episode.

The other two are so ridiculous they didn't even merit discussion. Civil war reenactments are not RPGs, and Slobbovia is a strategy game. Next you'll say RISK is also a RPG since you take the role of a country, and Half Life is an RPG since you take the role of Gordon Freeman. You really can't be this dense so I am left to assume you are trolling. Whether you are dense or trolling, either way, I'm done.

A LARP is a very different beast from a CRPG so you're really stretching. However, one could argue the defining difference between LARP and improv theatre is the rule system, ie stat-based gameplay. If this so-called LARP has none, then how is it any different from improv theatre? If it fits the definition of improv theatre, but doesn't fit the defintion of a LARP, then it is probably mislabeled.

I'm pretty sure that was a spambot. There were a couple of those. Did you ban the ip address?

What RPGs don't have stats? Name a single one.

If you're arguing that Splinter Cell is an RPG because it has a story then there are two major flaws. 1 - The developer, the publisher and the known world will argue with you. 2 - Your logic now dictates the countless RPGs that don't have a strong story are now no longer RPGs. Feargus is the CEO of a RPG house and he'll tell you Diablo is an RPG because it has stat-based gameplay. We're not talking about my personal definition here, we're talking about the industry standard.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we should help him. And the Obsidian crew might care.

Orson Scott Card in his how to write Sci-Fi book breaks down the concept of genres and how we define them. Each genre has staples that we expect, genre set-pieces if you will. Westerns aren't westerns if they are not set in the Wild West. RPGs are not RPGs without RPG elements, and if you ask any designer in the industry what RPG elements equate to, it equates to stat-based gameplay. If you really want to be obstinate for the sake of being obstiante, please suggest how we define the RPG genre other than stat based gameplay and I will gladly tell you how it is wrong with clear examples. Go ahead.

As soon as I finish this list...I'm still adding to it!

If stats don't make an RPG, but narrative structure do, then Splinter Cell is an RPG. I've had this arguement a million times, and what it ALWAYS comes down to is that the defining staple of the RPG genre is stat-based gameplay, period.

ShadowStrider started this list, so props go to him. I've got plenty more to add to this list. This is a work in progress. Also, do people want me to remove released titles from this list? Abbadon - Beta Developer: Gerard Prudhomme Platform: PC Setting: Post-Apoc Fallout meets D20? A.I.M. - Awaiting English release Developer: SkyRiver Studios Platform: PC Setting: Sci-Fi Action A.I.M. 2 - Under development Developer: SkyRiver Studios Platform: PC Setting: Sci-Fi Action Arx Fatalis II (after M&M title) Developer: Arkane Studios Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Action Ashes - Two Worlds Collide - Demo in Sept Developer: Ashes Team Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Ultima VII inspired game Avernum 4 - Announced Developer: Spiderweb Software Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Turn-based Bard's Tale - Released Developer: inXile Platform: PC/PS2/XBOX Setting: Fantasy Action Beyond Divinity - Released Developer: Larian Studios Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Bioshock - In Production Developer: Irrational Games Platform: PC Setting: Modern/Survival Horror FPS/RPG Hybrid Unofficial Site Black 9 Possibly canceled? Developer: Taldren Platform: PC/XBOX Setting: Sci-fi Action Blades of Avernum - Released Developer: Spiderweb Software Platform: PC/MAC Setting: Fantasy The Bloody Magic - Website being redone Developer: Sky Fallen Platform: PC/XBOX Setting: Fantasy Blue Dragon - Announced Developer: Artoon/Mistwalker Platform: XBox 360 Setting: Fantasy Boiling Point Developer: Deep Shadows Platform: PC Setting: Modern Day Colombia First-Person Borderzone - 2005? Developer: Saturn+ Platform: PC Sci-fi/Fantasy (?) Setting: Action Call of Cthulhu - I don't think this is really a RPG Developer: Headfirst Prod. Platform: PC/XBOX Setting: Historical/Horror Action/Adventure First-Person (A sequel, Beyond the Mountains of Madness, is also in production, as well as a PS2 exclusive, Tainted Legacy) Cops 2170: Power of Law - Overdue Developer: Mist Land Platform: PC Setting: Sci-fi (Cyberpunk) Dark Messiah of Might and Magic - 3Q 2006 Developer: Arkane Studios Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Action Deadlands - This is based on a RPG, but I'm not sure it is an RPG Developer: Headfirst Prod. Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy/Western Action Devil Whiskey - Released Developer: Shifting Suns Studios Platform: PC and Linux with a Mac port forthcoming Setting: Fantasy Old-school Divine Divinity 2: Riftrunner - Announced Developer: Larian Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Dragon Age - In Production Developer: Bioware Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Party Based Dragon Quest VIII - November in Japan Developer: Square-Enix Platform: PS2 Setting: Fantasy JRPG Dungeon Delvers - In Production Developer: Crosscut Games Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Adventure/RPG Dungeon Lords - Released Developer: Heuristic Park Platform: PC/XBOX Setting: Fantasy Action Dungeon Siege II - 8/16/05 Developer: Gas Powered Games Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy Action Dungeon Siege X - Announced Developer: Gas Powered Games Platform: XBox Setting: Fantasy Action eM - eNCHANT arM - Announced Developer: FromSoft Platform: XBox 360 Setting: Fantasy JRPG Enostra: Discovery Beyond - Q4 2005 Developer: Kvazar Studio Platform: PC Setting: SciFi Era - Project uncertain at this point Developer: Peroxide Entertainment Platform: PC Setting: Fantasy ETROM

Being able to install to a HDD is nice, but that doesn't mean you can't design a game with depth on a console. Lancer seemed to imply the HDD size was directly proportional to the depth or quality of a game. Dungeon Siege 2 looks to be several gigs, and thusly must be proportionally better than Planescape: Torment!

Visc is entertaining, but I understand his points are quite colored, and I take them as such.

If you guys want to find a person worse than Thompson, search for Fred Phelps.

Ultima 7 came out on the SNES. You could release Fallout on a console if you really wanted, but people choose not to. You can fit quite a bit on a DVD, and the PS3 is getting Blu-Ray. Between the HDD, and the disc, you can fit quite a bit of content. And console RPGs aren't afraid to spill over to multiple discs. How is storage space a limiting factor again? And last time I checked, people were playing Morrowind for 200 hours, on a single DVD on the XBox.

He could fall naturally from throwing himself into the hit. But his right arm comes up as he is falling, smashing Moore's head into the ice. Watch the arm.

I don't think we should actively and openly encourage someone to violate the EULA on an Obsidian game on the Obsidian forums. He is trying to make it so someone else can play a second copy of the game for free. He doesn't seem to realize this, but it is piracy.

Akari just said he is confident no one is currently working on KOTOR:3.

Hade's definition would exclude about 80-90% of the games called RPG by the industry. Honestly, the only real definition of a CRPG is a game with stat-based gameplay and a narrative structure. If story was the major defining aspect of a CRPG then Splinter Cell is suddenly an RPG.

I'm really excited as well. I hope they can keep it going.

In FPS games, you have a health meter and weapons that do varying ammounts of damage as well. That doesn't make them a RPG. In a RPG, your ability to succeed is dependent on stats. Zelda is dependent on reflexes solely.

There is an ever-growing market of adult gamers. People should be able to release games with adult content. People like Thompson want to make sure these games never get released. I never support censorship.