GhostofAnakin

It's much easier to quote every single thing I've stated and break it down, considering I don't exactly proof-read every single statement to make sure that all my posts on this forum are 100% in correlation. So I'll break it down in this one post to express (perhaps I didn't do a good job of it) what my entire point in this thread is. 1-Forget the whole Vulkar/Beks thing. I brought up that example in direct response to the ORIGINAL poster saying that NO choices actually change anything to do with the storyline. I brought the Vulkar/Bek thing up to prove to HIM (the original poster) that there are subtle, small options that can, in a slight way, change how the story plays through. Story shattering choices? No. But they DO change small portions of it. 2-My point was that it's impossible to suggest that every little decision should have a huge impact on the overall main story. But that there are options where you can alter that story somewhat (such as Juhani, either killing her, or allowing her to join your party). That's my entire point. If I brought up bad examples, then my bad. But my only point in responding to this topic is that I think it's an idiotic claim to suggest that NONE of your choices affect the story in ANY way. 3-The Fallout 2 example. You never bothered to actually respond to this. You just kept reiterating "Strawman this, strawman that". True or false, if you side with the Mordino's, you still can make your way to Enclave to achieve your goal? True or false, if you side with the Wrights, you still can make your way to the Enclave to acheive your goal? Etc, with the other families? In other words, if you side with the Mordinos, you aren't suddenly unable to make your way to the Enclave and instead have to finish the game in Broken Hills or something, correct? That was my entire point. Not that KOTOR has as much freedom as Fallout, or that Fallout doesn't have options to change the course of the story. Just that, from the larger picture, both games have options that, despite choosing them, certain events still take place. And that was my entire point. That the original post was way off base in their statement, because KOTOR does in fact allow certain instances where a decision will effect the rest of the story (as I stated, killing juhani means she isn't an NPC, redeeming her allows you to use her as a NPC).

Wow, it's easier to be condescending than to actually respond with something intelligent. I understood everything you said, and put forth a reason why your points were invalid (it's not my fault you couldn't express your views in a way that actually made what you suggest feasible). Let's start with the Vulkars/Beks example. You state that even though you can choose sides, in the end it doesn't matter because Taris gets destroyed regardless. So in essense, you're expecting two vastly differently outcomes depending on whether you join the Beks or Vulkars (ie. one options means Taris remains, the other means it's destroyed). And that's when i stated that what you propose is rediculous, since you expect a MINOR event (choosing a side in the gang war) to change the MAJOR plot of the story. Why should whether you choose the Beks or Vulkars affect whether the entire planet gets blown up? It makes no sense. And about your point with Fallout 2, yes choosing a side does alter PORTIONS of the story, but it does NOT change the final outcome. Which is, if you want to accomplish the MAIN goal of the game you have to make your way to the Enclave. That's not changed depending on choice of gang, yet you expect that kind of change based on different choices in KOTOR. The fact that you conceded that KOTOR does allow a variation in story based on a couple of examples makes your entire point moot. You contradict your entire point by proving that, in fact, KOTOR allows you to alter the universe based on choices you make. That's my final post about this, mainly because it's pointless debating with someone who has to resort to condescension and insults when they're incapable of clearly stating what their point is. Afterall, you can't say your main point is that your decisions in KOTOR have NO effect on the story since you yourself pointed out situations in which it does.

Hopefully that delay constitutes getting pushed back from December 6th to December 13th.

You don't seem to understand my point. You're expecting MINOR choices (side with the Beks, or side with the Vulkars) to affect the ENDING of the game. Do you know how rediculous that is? You bring up Fallout, so I'll give you an example of this exact "lack of RPing" that you're complaining about happens in Fallout as well. For instance, in Fallout 2 you can choose to side with any of the 4 crime lord families in New Reno, right? Depending which one you choose, the missions are slightly different (such as the Beks/Vulkars example), but it doesn't affect the final outcome of the story. Regardless of which family you decide to be a "made man" for, the story doesn't change. Which family you choose to align with has very little effect on what happens in the Enclave. It has very little effect on what happens in any city other than New Reno. So by your definition, Fallout doesn't allow proper RPing either, since by your standards, choosing a different family to side with should DRASTICALLY alter the ending of the story. Sorry, but your point is invalid because of the fact you're expecting EVERY minor event to change the entire story drastically, and as has been said, NO game does that.

Speaking of the Clone Wars, I just watched Attack of the Clones last night when I was bored. Maybe it's because I was super bored, but I actually think the prequel movies are growing on me. I had to fastforward over the "love scenes" with Anakin and Padme, but the Geonosis arena scene still gives me goosebumps.

And what happens to Taris? Oh yeah, that's right, IT KINDA GETS BLOWN UP. Rather meaningless now isn't it when you think about it The overall effect is that you've changed nothing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It effects events in the overall story, not the entire story itself. You're basically asking for EVERY SINGLE OPTION to have a huge outcome on the game. Gee, I lost 100 credits in Paazak, so that changed the outcome from me being Revan to turning me in to a cross-breed between a Jawa and a Wookiee. Sorry, but what was given was enough of a change to the way the story played out. You're asking for the impossible, and further, the rediculous.

I'll second the talking bear's post.

I'm glad for this game they didn't have different races to choose from. I liked the story as it was and it would have seemed weird having the extra interactions with Bastila (or Carth) as an alien character.

From a gaming point of view I think it's cool. But if you want to be anal about it, how exactly are half these items still on these dead bodies? I can understand the ones you find in tombs or whatnot, but when there's a dead body in a relatively crowded or travelled area, wouldn't you think someone before you would notice the big ol' blaster rifle sticking out of the corps?

Yes it does change the story. Not the end of the story, but it changes aspects of the story. In one decision, the Vulkars are wiped out. In another, they're not. My point was that people say that NOTHING they did changed the story, because they expect every little action to change the FINAL outcome. That's a completely misguided notion. Certain actions changed certain aspects of the story, and that's exactly how it should be. I wouldn't want the fact that I stole that wraid plate from that widow on Tatooine to drastically change the rest of the story, because that would be rediculous. I thought KOTOR did an admirable job of altering the storyline based on your actions.

I stand corrected. Carry on.

Does it really matter that much when you joined, or if you're a "veteran" or a "newbie"? I'd think that posting intelligent responses in threads and portraying yourself as more than just a semi-intelligent primate would garner the kind of respect from your peers that people seem to want, rather than relying on who got here first or who post-whores the best. Afterall, I've seen intelligent posts from people with less than 100 posts, and I've seen rediculous, unintelligent blabbering from people with over 1000. For me, it's all the the context. If you make sense, your spelling is decent and you form complete sentences, then I'd take that over someone who's been here for a long time but does nothing but basically spam the forums. my 2 cents.

I think someone is a tad too obsessed with the Bastila character and places her on a pedistol (sp?) she doesn't deserve to be on.

No offense, but I hate this idea. The opportunity to kill off party members reminds me of a bunch of preteens sitting around thinking it's "kewl" to go around and kill everyone in Grand Theft Auto.

Actually, your choices did affect the way the game played throughout. People seem to keep overlooking little things that change depending how you act. People are so fixated on the "Dark Jedi/Light Jedi" thing and overlook other things. For instance, on Taris you have a choice of working with the Vulkars or the Beks. If you choose one, you have to fight the other. In other words, your "choices affect the story", because if you choose DS, you side with the Beks and have to kill the Vulkars. If you choose LS, you defeat the Beks. So to use your comments, your hypothesis is in fact incorrect.

I like that option, rather than a questionaire. It feels more....fluid that way, rather than just filling out a form at the beginning.

I expect Revan to have my voice! :ph34r:

I'm hoping the game ships soon just so we won't have to speculate about Revan any longer.

But how do you determine "...The one that most people like.."? A poll on here? That's not an indication of everyone. That's an indication of those who frequent this forum. A poll on Lucasarts? Again, not a good indication because not everyone who plays the game goes there (myself included). Assume he's male? Then you alienate many female gamers, especially those who are "hardcore" and probably enjoy the fanfic side of KOTOR more than most. Assume she's female? Then many guys on here will be upset. I just think there's too many different scenarios that it would be difficult to decide which one to use, while at the same time, not alienating a good percentage of fans.

The difference is though, that Rebel Assault was based off of the movies, in which the character was already established. This is the opposite. Any movies/books would be based off KOTOR, which would mean they'd have to take into account the game's story and since it's so diverse, it's impossible to do without changing how a lot of people played through it.

But it makes them more fun to tease Kidding. *hopes Adria's hand isn't on the ban button*

where is tatoine?

As long as Obsidian doesn't just kill Revan off in some half-assed manner, I'm not too worried about it. At first I was, but the sooner we get to release date, the more I'm interested in moving on with the new story. So basically as long as they don't completely make a mockery of the time I put in to the first game and just have Revan trip off a balcony or accidentally slice his own head off while practicing with his lightsaber, I'm fine with it.

Chances are any KOTOR3 and beyond won't be in the works (or atleast completed) for another couple of years or so. That's gonna be a long wait for me once I've gotten and played through TSL a few times.

I know this might be blatantly obvious to most people, but I suspect you didn't bother reading the original post. Revan had his memory erased AFTER they captured him. The original post is about whether Revan knew of these 3 Sith Lords BEFORE he was captured, and thus when he still had all his memories. Really now, Hades. I know you like to flame anything that is related to TSL, but atleast try and comprehend the gist of a thread before posting nonsense.