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Another two employees leave. Yup, IW employees are leaving because the former fired heads of the division stole money from them as opposed to the wionderful bosses atv ACTI. Face it, ACTI has stolen money from ACTI including the big wigs there, and the employees at IW have had enough and theyr'e probably sneaking out as soon as they can depending on their individual contracts. Yet, ACTI is supposedly acting on their behalf? Come on. And, again, you lump me in with everyone who 'automatically' attacked ACTI which I did not do. Do you nto read. Bottom line is ACTI stole money that does not belong to them and even admit it (though they use the term 'withholding'). It's not their privledge to do so. btw, You say the IW foudners don't represent IW but that's bullocks and everyone knows as no doubt any negotiations between ACTI and IW was done with them as representatives of their entire division. L0L Bottom line is when someone does work for you and you make tons of money off them, you better pay them. Or its theft. Period.

"Simple, they're no longer the entity of "Infinity Ward" and thus not entitled to a cut of the overall profits after they were canned. I don't see a copyright or contract anywhere stating that they, as people, received monetary compensation for every unit sold. INFINITY WARD might, but that's the companies coffers, not the individual." Absolutely nonsensical garbage posted by a biased ACTI fanboy who has no understanding how contract law works. L0L Even ACTI admits to oweing them money but they are purposefully withholding that money as 'punishment' which they CANNOT do legally. It's theft. But, hey, youa dmitted to being a troll attemopting to play devil's advocate (and doing a poor job of it as well) so it's no wonder you keep making stuff up. On top of that you also made the bogus claim that I was some anti 'big bad company' punk which was wholly disproven and embarassed you yet again. Let's repeat this: ACTI owes them money but has unilaterlaly decided that they shouldn't have to pay them money owed. That's theft. Plain and simple. ACTI has amde and continues to make a lot of money off their work and owes them for it. They do not have the legal right to refuse to pay them for work done no matter what else the two did.

"it's nowhere near the amount that they claim they're owed" Proof, please. "And fire them they did, which lead to your initial outrage (as well as everyone elses)." Don't tell me what my initial 'outrage' was. Hell, my first post in this thread was directed at people trolling me on page. I didn't even care all that much about IW guys being fired as it wans't a company I pay attention to. I only noticed stuff because of people trolling me. My first post on the actual topic was this: meh. "Seems like Activision weren't honouring their contract anyways. Both sides no doubt have screwed up, and in the end, likely nobody will win everything they want." Does this sound like someone who was initially butthurt over the 'poor' IW guys being fired? No. In fact, I blamed both for not honouring the contract. No, it sounds like it was somebody who blamed both and had no caring that they got fired. Still, no matter what, they deserve to get paid for the work they did because ACT made 9and still is making) a lot of money based on IW's (and their founders) work. Pay them. Period. Seriosuly, don't claim I believed x or y or some such when I did no such thing.

"But they could say that you didn't do your job and with hold payment." No. No, they couldn't. Not legally. That's why it be theft. Someone doesn't do their job, you fire them, you can't withhold money you already owe them. Period.

"Well, Acti is withholding money because IW didn't do the job they were supposed to, or at least up to spec (seriously, it's not Acti's fault that their logo wasn't in the game, they didn't actually code the bloody thing). " No matter who much you bash the game doesn't change the fact that the game in question sold millions, and made ACTI millions and they ow IW their share as agreed upon. It is not up to ACT to decide to withhold money they agreed to pay. Period. They did a good enough job that it's one of the best selling games ever. Now pay up, ACT, pay up. Stop acting like thieves. I have my job. Now, IRL, I do it damn good good. But, my boss cna't come by at pay time and say my work sucks and not pay me a certain percentage simply because they didn't like my work when we agreed on x dollars. Now, they could fire me if they thought I was doing a poor job but they can't not pay me for the work I already did. Capiche? That's garbage. Plain and simple.

"But seriously, I think that these guys could fart out CODMW3 where you play a puppy being mercilessly murdered by Captain Price and say they fulfilled their contract, and you'd still be behind em because they're going up against the big bad corporation. " You must really be a newbie who has never read my posts, because otherwise, you'd know what you just wrote was plain garbagey lies. 1. I don't give a crap about IW, or their founders, or their games. 2. I have no problem defending 'big bad corporations'... just read any EA thread - even before they bought BIo I was pro EA... which, if you forgotten is the biggest baddest game company ever according to many. 3. I don't hate ACT. IN fact, I had no problems before this. 4. Check out threads about pirates or what I'd like tio call thieves and still ask yourself if I'm always against the 'big bad coorporations'. 5. Or the threads about DLCs and what not. 6. Also, I wonder where I stand on MS... another 'big bad company'. LMAO The problem here is that ACT is obviously in the wrong. You don't steal money from others and that's exactly what they did by withholding monies owed. Your ignorance is laughable in regards to what you think my bias is. Then again, you admitted to trolling because you claim to being mainly taking ACT's side because others are not which means you are posting simply to troll others not ebcause you really believe what you post.

"Blame Hamas! " For targeting civlians, absolutely. Also, your map only shows that at one time that Isreal ws the oppressed and they raised up and fought their oppressors. Let's make it clear once again since the pro Hamas people aren't getting it. It's immoral to target civilians no matter who youa re or how much power you have. Period. But, yeah, psoting that makes me an Isreali apologiger somehow even though I'm saying they're just as guilty. The logic in that reasoning is pathetic.

"The only person here who has posted "it is justifible to target civilians" is you." Actually, it was you. You claimed Hamas was justified in targeting civilizans because they were oppressed. Are you admitting you were wrong, or are you going to continue to spout more lies?

"Israel is BEST!" L0L Not even close. "You have a really, really childish view of politics. The idea that the oppressed rising against their oppressors is the moral equivalent to the oppressors suppressing the oppressed is just... I don't see how you can really believe that. Are you trolling me or do you really have the moral development of a 12 year old republican?" Sure beats your believe that it is justifible to target civilians. It's not justifible when the US does it. Not justifible when Russia does it. Not justifible when Isreal does it. Not justifible when Palestine does it. Period. I don't care how 'oppressed' you are. It is immoral to target civilians. Period.

"In any case that 'Palestine wants to destroy Israel' is not an accurate portrayal of the whole of Palestinian polity." Sure it is. Hamas is not some fringe Palestine group ala the KKK in the US. Hamas is an officially sanctioned and elected groiup represenative of Palestinians, and one of their stated goals is the destruction of Isreal. You cannot negotiate peace with a group whose stated mission is your destruction. Until Hamas and Palestinians who support them change that goal to something more reasonable, it's hard to take the cry that 'Isreal doesn't want peace' seriously. Isreal's goal is not to wipe out Palestine. Afterall, they have the power to do so; but they don't formany reason (self serving is obviously one). "There is a fundamental difference between when an oppressed people rises in armed resistance against foreign occupation (no matter what ideological character that resistance takes), and when those same foreign occupiers engage in carefully considered acts of malice towards an occupied country, such as attacks on civilian, illegal settlement of occupied territory, and blockades to prevent the importation of food." I know, I know. Palestine/Hamas are totally justified in tagerting Isreal civilians because they're Isrealis and for that they must die. they're not real people. Just Isrealies, right? Hames is awesome because they target Isreal children because it's justified ebcause they're not really people anyways but if Isreal does it they all need to be wiped out. And, yeah, no bias or bigotry there on your part. LMAO let's also ignore the fact all the garbage Muslim/Arab states have put Palestinje through yet they get a free pass because they're not Isreal. L0LZ

"The bias of American media towards Israel is an interesting phenomenon that deserves a forum topic without spam." Oh, pelase. Plenty of Amerikan media criticizes Isreal. Let's also not forget the bias against isreal in most of the rest of the world. You showed your bias by your comment. *shrug* " Israel's blatant disregard for any attempt at a peace process has really turned me off them. I quite like Israel as a country, but it is run by idiots ATM. " Works both ways,. It's hard to negotiate peace when the other side wants to destroy you, and yes, that is Hamas' - the government of Palestine - wants, btw. Isreal is no angel. They've done a lot of nasty stuff. No doubt about it. But, it's funny how the anti Isreal people seem to be flippant about Hamas' crap.

"Do you see the activision logo appearing any time other than as text for the copyright stuff? eh? EH!?" Yet again, you completely missed the point. I commented on the logo thing and whose fualt that is. If you are too forgettful and unable to master readingt o understand that whole thing that's your problem. Anyways, another 4 IW employees have quit ACT. Seems to me that people really don't think ACT is in the right for those in the know. In fact, they were liekly sitckinga round because of the IW foudners. Yet, ACT and others are claiming that the IW foudners were stealing money from other employees. Bullocks.

Don't be ignorant, and make stuff up.

"The employment contract has clearly been breached." ACT has admitted to having withold monies owed while IW guys haven't yet and the things that they seem to be accused of (not putting the ACT logo in the game, consorting with EA0 have been proven nor have they hurt ACT who made a lot of money off of IW's hard work yet refuse to pay them for said work. That puts them in the wrong. Period.

No. The fact youa re trying to do wordplay is hialrious. Bottom line is porn games are still games and porn films are still films. Period.

"Volo, I pointed that out because one of activisions reasons for not paying was specifically because West and Zamp were doing their level best to cultivate a work crew that'd be easy to poach from one company to the other. " yeah, and you used the accusation by ASCT of their suppsoed theiovery of why ACT is in the right and the two guys are wrong. If I were an IW emp-loyees and my division's managers were stealing money that the main bosses at ACT meant for me, I surely wouldn't quit ACT. I would sue the thieves and stand behind ACT. But, that isn't happening. IW employees are quitting ACT because obviously they aren't happy with ACT. If they were unhappy with IW founders why would they quit ACT when the IW foudners ar eno longer an issue if they stayed at that company. This leads me top believe that ACT's accusations of theivery is balony to cover up their theivery and you bought it hook line and sinker. P.S. It doesn't matyter how 'bad' the IW foudners were acting. They did their job, ACT benefited from it, they get paid for it. Period.

"You are missing his point. Neither slavery nor sex trade are capitalism exclusive, nor are they characteristic for it." Neither is playing games with girls. "And what's wrong with sex trade, anyway?" It's frowned upon. And, if someone thinks paying for a female gamer to play with you is 'sick'; I have to wonder what they think paying women to have sex with you is. Yous eriosuly can't claim the former is sicker than the latter, right? As for me, I have no personal problem with prositution though I'd never partake of it myself. To each their own, i say.

SJ vs COL: Would not be surprised if this is a sweep. SJ in 5. CHI vs NSH: Another joke series. CHI in 5. VAN vs LA: HAHA! LA is a joke.; but VAN is just lucky witht he draw. VAN in 6. PHX vs DET: PHX, as is, is one of those one season wonders. They'll suck again next season and it starts here. DET in 5. WSH vs MTL: Crushing time. WSH will be looking to avoid their 4th striaght 7 game series. WSH in 4. NJ vs PHI: Toughest 1st round series to call. Philly has offense and Pronger. NJ has Kolvy and golatending. Flyer's goaltending is suspect. I hopoe Pronger wins but hard to bet against brodeuer over a nobody in net. NJ in 7. BUF vs BOS: Both of these teams are just setting themsleves up for a loss versus WSH or PIT anyways so this series is ultimately meaningless. BUF in 7. PIT vs OTT: Poor little Ottawa. PIT in 4.

"wow. this is really, really sick. like...****ing capitalism at it's lowest and sickest." O RLY? Lower than slavery? Then the sex trade? OMG

Clax, btw, has also gone with ACT's accusation that the two IW guys were basically stealing monies intended for otyher IW employees. If that were true, why are other IW employees quitting? Another two quit today (or yesterday?).. Seems to me ACT must be doing something wrong if the people that they claim wer ebeings tolen from are dropping them like a bad habit. LMAO

"Hey Volo, how about that Mets-Marlins series" Means nothing. Let's talk after 162 games. Besdies, people expect the Mets to suck so we can't do worse than what's expected. *shrug*

"I'm outraged because bull like this shouldn't be called a game." That's what you wrote. Now, you claim this: "I never said that Rapelay wasn't a game," LMAO You are lying, but in an obvious way, so the question is, why bother? "I never said that Rapelay wasn't a game, it's a pornographic game. What I ask that division between pornography and serious games that exist in the film industry." It's a game. It can be low quality but it's sitlla agme. A porn game is still a game while a porn movie is still a movie. This is undisputable. A porno is genre of film much like horror (another film genre that isn't usually taken seriously, btw) or action or drama.

Bugginess is irrelevant here as ACT still made tons of money off the work.

"I do like how you're taking the willful disobedience and making it the fault of the person who set the terms. Basically blaming the parent because the kid didn't bring in his homework, and giving the kid honor roll." Not even remotely the same thing. First off, the guys aren't bveing rewaqrded for NOT putting thje logo in. Theyt're getting PAID for the job they did do which made ACT a lot of money. If the kid didn't bring his homwork in, he'd enver make the honour roll. So what exactly is the comparison? ACT hired them to make a game. they did that. ACT made millions off their hard work. They're owed the money. ACT can't change their mind and refuse to pay them. That's theft. Period. Now, if ACT had paid them before the game was made and sold, and the two dinks ran away without finishing the job then they wouldn't have to pay them for work they didn't do. But, that isn't what happened here. Nice try, though.

"Let me try this another way: suppose that I am an employer, and I prevent black people from working under me. That is much more harmful than if I was an employee and refused to work for a black person." Nope. You are still racist either way.