Hildegard

Colossus from Freespace2 would gun down any of your pathetic sw ships....

A bounty hunter?.... ..... go and play with blasters will see how you do against lightsabers and the force.... you would be very competitive you know like Burkina Faso trying to defeat USA.....

Congratulations Swinny you managed not to spoil the end, in fact it's better then your last two....Anakins revenge says it's too short, of course it is when you posted only the main events, what do you expect Swinny to wright the entire story in a couple of hours, hey man it kind of reminds me of a classic pushing of OE by LA to finish the game in a small time period and you know how that ended up.... ...better to laugh then to cry..... Darth Coran says that he doesn't like the idea of Brianna getting dead, but come on, in such battle of epic proportions somebody has to die, no great victory comes without a price...... Edu11 says to ease up on the "love" part, I strongly disagree....He says that DS Revan will look like an idiot, hey man have you been reading at all what Swinny wrote, seems to me that in this story Revan is more LS then DS ( am I right? ) And for the love part, no matter what anybody says Revan and Bastila belong together and I know there are far more people that agree with me on this one... Keep up the good work Swinny, wright your story with more detailes and dialogs and I'm confident that it will be great.....and I have one suggestion: In the end you should have one last interaction and conversation with all your party members and allies, let's say onboard the Ebon Hawk, I kind of missed that in K1 and in K2, everything ended too fast and I couldn't say anything I wanted to any of my partymembers in the end to conclude things between one and other. You know a conversation with your members to kind of end things up.......for an example: Young Padawan thanking Atton for helping him to defeat Darth Siin, Revan thanking The Exile for saving his and Bastila's life, Revan's and Bastila's love conversation (better in the end then on the bridge or both work out fine), The Exile and Revan commend you for your action and say that you are future of the new jedi order that will bring peace, stability and order to the Republic and stuff like that... And then goes your final scene and the whole grand celebration.....

I'll give you a complain "Kotor2 rules guy": Personaly I didn't like much K2, it wasn't bad but it just wasn't what I expected and hoped for.... What I really liked about K1 was the atmosphere....the star wars atmosphere that was simply remarkable and rearly encountered in any game....and the players recognized that and that is why it was named a 2003 game of the year by many.. I'm sorry but in K2 I didn't have that "feeling" that I had during K1..... most of the time while I was playing K2, and especially in the end, I just found emptiness and dissapoitment as a result of developers lack of style and talent needed to get the job done that was blinded by nothing but profit which often, if not always, happens to the sequel of a game... Some will not agree with me.... but don't get me wrong, K2 is not a bad game and it does have certain advantages and improvements in comperison with K1 in terms of interaction with other characters and the whole influnce thing and other no less important things and detailes.... But that is just that.... what they improved and enhanced in K2 where just detailes in comperison with the things that it desperately needed in order to be as good and successful or even better then K1.... By my opinion K2 primarily lacked a depth in the story, the unique star wars feeling - that I had in K1, K2 story was just too superficial, unfinished, kind of "empty"..... How ironic the main character of K2 - The Exile was described as: a hole and a wound in the force that drew the ones strong in the force..... I think that K2 is a hole and a wound in the star wars storyline with the goal of drawing nothing but MONEY from us players eagerly "hungry" for a good game, doublecrossed by LucasArt's neverending greeeeed.....

Good story indeed Swinny.....many DS fans would complain about Revan being LS as you put it or that he is male, but I think no matter what, Revan fits best as a male and especially as LS considering the whole redemption thing... Only in the begging you should change the awaking part in the medical bay, it reminds too much of K2 start.... You did very well with Revan-Bastila relationship.... if anyone belongs with each other in the entire KOTOR storyline then it's those two. ..... in the end of your second part where Revan had to leave Bastila where she probably is still in the hospital as you put it recovering from injures and then is obviously captured by the sith.... .....just don't put it that she turns over to the dark side, that was all done in the K1..... :ph34r: You have certainly a hard job doing the end because everybody is constantly critical about endings (look at K2) only because they all want to satisfy their imagination and their point of view about the whole K3 story and especially the end.....And if your end will be either DS or LS or optional ( make it LS please.... ) there will always be people that will like your story and those that won't..... but given the fact your obvious talent I think the second ones will be in the minority......

Personaly I didn't like much K2, it wasn't bad but it just wasn't what I expected and hoped for.... What I really liked about K1 was the atmosphere....the star wars atmosphere that was simply remarkable and rearly encountered in any game....and the players recognized that and that is why it was named a 2003 game of the year by many.. I'm sorry but in K2 I didn't have that "feeling" that I had during K1..... most of the time while I was playing K2, and especially in the end, I just found emptiness and dissapoitment as a result of developers lack of style and talent needed to get the job done that was blinded by nothing but profit which often, if not always, happens to the sequel of a game... Some will not agree with me.... but don't get me wrong, K2 is not a bad game and it does have certain advantages and improvements in comperison with K1 in terms of interaction with other characters and the whole influnce thing and other no less important things and detailes.... But that is just that.... what they improved and enhanced in K2 where just detailes in comperison with the things that it desperately needed in order to be as good and successful or even better then K1.... By my opinion K2 primarily lacked a depth in the story, the unique star wars feeling - that I had in K1, K2 story was just too superficial, unfinished, kind of "empty".....

Most of all I think that Revan and Bastila belong together in terms of a DS story and especially in LS storyline.... Either DS or LS to Bastila her feelings towards Revan go beyond the whole story light vs. dark and her love for him is obviously the most important thing to her, everything else to her seems insignificant.... And for the looks I agree with most of the people when they say: Revan - short brown hair and Exile with a blond or yellowy hair...

K1 was one of my favourite games ever, K2 certainly wasn't....and I'll explain excatly as I said in my poll: Personaly I didn't like much K2, it wasn't bad but it just wasn't what I expected and hoped for.... What I really liked about K1 was the atmosphere....the star wars atmosphere that was simply remarkable and was rearly encountered in any game....and the players recognized that and that is why it was named a 2003 game of the year by many.. I'm sorry but in K2 I didn't have that "feeling" that I had during K1..... most of the time while I was playing K2, and especially in the end, I just found emptiness and dissapoitment as a result of developers lack of style and talent needed to get the job done that was blinded by nothing but profit which often, if not always, happens to the sequel of a game... Some will not agree with me.... but don't get me wrong, K2 is not a bad game and it does have certain advantages and improvements in comperison with K1 in terms of interaction with other characters and the whole influnce thing and other no less important things and details.... But that is just that.... what they improved and enhanced in K2 where just details in comperison with the things that it desperately needed in order to be as good and successful or even better then K1.... By my opinion K2 primarily lacked a depth in the story, the unique star wars feeling - that I had in K1, K2 story was just too superficial, unfinished, kind of "empty"..... How ironic the main character of K2 - The Exile was described as: a hole and a wound in the force that drew the ones strong in the force..... I think that K2 is a hole and a wound in the star wars storyline with the goal of drawing nothing but MONEY from us players eagerly "hungry" for a good game, doublecrossed by LucasArt and by most of the people that had to do with the development of K2....maybe I am a little bit exaggerating and some, perhaps many, won't agree....but ladies and gentlement when I finished playing K2, after the game and that awfull ending I just pictured myself with the sign above my head - SUCKER!!!

I agree with you Von Manstein...but I am curious...why did you took the name Von Manstein, are you keen on Wermacht Generals or Field Marshalls....? In my opinion I like Steiner better....

It reminds me of Fallout. Fallout 2 simply had to decided what happened in Fallout 1, Kreia talking about the future does not mean what is going to happen expecialy since it does not matter what she says unless they want to use Dantooine and/or Telos again. TSL have no story besides "there were 3 guys that were killing stuff and they died" ... nothing in TSL affects much the Star Wars universe. Besides you really think that Star Wars EU is simply going to allow the Jedi Order to be destroyed at any point in time until the Great Jedi Hunt? What you think this game was? They used the name to sell the game, you think its going to be diferent in KotOR III when they realize they can put out anything called KotOR and it sell and get great reviews? Oh? Yoda said to Luke to not go to Bespin and we all know what happened. So who do you trust? A 900 years old Jedi Master or Kreia ... sure she have no reason to lie but in Star Wars you CANNOT predict the future since its "always in motion", the future is afected by choices and the best one can see is a possible future. Palpatine also forseen his victory at Endor and he lost. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey man I can understand and I share a part of your frustration with Bioware or Obsidian regarding the storyline in K1 and especially with K2, but there is always hope.... no matter how small it is.... it still shines through the heavy clouds of developers lack of style and imagination blinded by the heavy rain of fat dollar bills which becomes, as always, more important then the satisfaction and joy of thousands up on of thousands of dissapointed and deceived players.... O.K. I'm going to stop because I'm starting to sound really corny....

Hey Drakron all you said stands.... This is a problem with K2, the K1 had a firm and claer end - with LS you save the Republic and the Sith are in a disarray and with DS the other way around... With K2, the end was somehow inconsistent, a lot of questions where left unanswered and they left a lot of material and speculations about the possible next episode - K3, because they didn't have a firm end like in K1. Yes, the OE ignored some elements of the K1 story made by Bioware. I think that that was by my opinion a mistake to disrespect and change the past story. And then it is natural for you and for anybody else to ask themselfs will the game developer of K3 respect the story of K2 and especially the story in the end of K2 with your talk with Kreia about the future. But if they don't then why would it be called K3? Then they could simply name it a new game with no or very small connection with KOTOR story...and I think that's not a very good idea... I agree that K3 doesn't need to be excatly in details as Kreia said in the end but I see no reason why she would be wrong about eveything and mislead as all about the future.... The players are already somewhat frustrated with K2 - and if they change K3 to have no connection with K2 end, that would surely meet a great discomfort and oposition from the players community... I can understand your doubt regarding Kreia because she was lying and manipulating The Exile during most of the game, but as I said, her totaly being wrong or lying about the future would just be apsurde...

Hey Drakron I tried to stay as objective and realistic as possible... and tell me why would she lie... just because you decided that you don't like her and that she is a bad character... Ask your self why would she lie? She tells you about the future after you have defeated her, she was as good as dead. And she said she loved you in a way and that she will give you the last gift - an insight in the future. Why would the game developers lie and misslead thousands and thousands of K2 players in the end by Kreia lying? Drakron I agree with you that she was an old crazy witch, but her lying in the end just wouldn't make sense. The talk about the future with Kreia were clearly foundations for KOTOR3 because much was left unanswered. Now we can go on and on fighting was she lying or not, guess the correct answer know only the story writters...

Bastilla is the best female character in KOTOR saga, by the means of looks, past, her story in general and in particulare given her connection with Revan - need I say more....

That's one crazy idea you've got there, but i'm afraid it wouldn't work out. The double game profite you said would mean double money investment in those expansion packs. Expansion packs are always risky and especially to release 2 expansion packs in the same time, that would be a huge risk - it would be either a great success(which I doubt it becouse many are sick and tired of this current game engine and want a new one and all sorts of new thinghs, things that an expansion pack can not achieve, only a new game could) or it would be a massive failure as I said. Your idea is somewhat interesting but I don't think it would work.

good one shadow paladin...

Bastilla, LS or DS, would crush Visas in terms of lightsabers or force powers...

I wouldn't mind to see all those things you mentioned, who wouldn't? But I think that anyone who expects to see all those improvements in K3 is way too optimistic, but who knows maybe your wish will come through...

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I think we played The Exile's story point of view more than enough in K2. In my opinion I would like to play K3 with Revan or better with a new character.

Double bladed blue light saber is my favourite!

O.K. I agree that KOTOR2 end was indeed bad, but at least the LS end paved way for the next episode of KOTOR3....

Talk all you want, Bastilla is the hottest babe in KOTOR episodes and especially given her romantic involment with Revan.

Sorry FISH you are right, I'll use paragraphs next time.

I would really appreciate if you read this, it's long but I hope it will be worth your time and patience. I would like to talk about KOTOR3 and to try to get an insight of it, to try to learn about it only through facts from KOTOR2, especially from the end of KOTOR2 and your talk with Kreia about the future. I'll start from Kreia's sentence about why Revan came back to Malachor V: "...and he came because Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the acient sith empire, where the true sith wait for us, in the dark." Later during your conversation she also says: that, as we know that Malachor and Korriban belong to the edge of the true sith empire, the true sith have forgotten about them...for the time being...and that they WILL REMEMBER and that Revan knew that. Perhaps that is why Revan went to bring the fight to them, to attack them first, in The Outer Rim rather then wait for them "to remember", to return to the known-republic space. Maybe he did that in order to protect his loved ones (Bastilla, Carth.....LS ending of KOTOR1) to spare them the suffering and the war with the true sith. What I don't understand then is how he planned to fight the entire sith empire singlehandedly or did he really went alone?...never mind that. Kreia said that I have to go after Revan because he will need all the help he can get from all warriors, Jedi or Sith(Dark Jedi). I think by that she probably meant all available and capable fighting force in the Republic-known space. I say that because Kreia said one interesting thing when she talked about the future of Dantooine: "...they will be driven back from Dantooine, the raiders, the mandalorians and ALL THAT SHELL STRIKE AT THE OUTER RIM." That is why I think that everybody from the Republic-known space, all fighting capable armies, clans, individuales... will go The Outer Rim to fight the true sith, which would result in a war of an epic proportions. To back that up Kreia said in the end: "...I sense it has one last journey for you . You must go where Revan did, into the unknown regions, where the sith, the true sith wait in the dark for THE GREAT WAR THAT COMES." Sounds to me like "the great war" that is coming means then that the Jedi, possibly the Dark Jedi, Republic forces, Mandalorians, Raiders, various clans - I mean everybody as I said from the Republic-known space versus the true sith empire in The Outer Rim. The only problem would be who would be able to unite them all given the fact their diferent views of life, power, politics, sense of right and wrong, you name it. The answer is The Exile naturally.... he draws people around him, in particulare those powerfull and those strong in the force...and as Kreia said he is a natural leader - but these are now ideas not hardcore facts about the future. I also think that KOTOR3 will be the end of this saga, it makes sense, Kreia also said: "You must join Revan and do battle AT THE END OF ALL THINGS." Maybe by that she only thought about The Outer Rim as the edge of the galaxy or maybe she thought that as an end of an era, a closure of a time in the history of the galaxy, but who knows.... All further speculations on further developments would be pure guessing..... I would very much like to hear your comments or maybe critics regarding this topic or my perpective. Thanks....

I don't understand one thing in particulare! When you see the message in T3 where Bastilla is speaking about Revan, The Exile apparently doesn't know who the women (Bastilla) in the message is and you can ask T3 a question - "friend of yours?" Now I ask myself if The Exile doesn't recognize Bastlla in the T3 message and obviously doesn't know how she looks like, why does he in the visions or during the character test (call it what you want) on Korriban recognizes Bastilla like he knows how she looks like?